Conrad Murray trial -Day nine.

[Amity]

Amity <------------- Is oh, soooo lost!
All those numbers just gave me a headache.
It's obvious.....I'm not a chemist.

[Isabelle]

Originally Posted by Thundar

1/43 of a 2 mg lorazapam tablet left in the stomach. The prescription was for 2 mg lorazapam each. That's not much left in his stomach at time of death.

Was the lorazepam found in actual tablet form?

[Isabelle]

Flanagan, you need to ask your expert witness these questions. You are wasting time and trying to confuse the jury.

[Thundar]

Originally Posted by Isabelle

No way this can be done.

A lab can't tell how old urine is?

[Isabelle]

Mr. Anderson's calculations were excellent and well presented.

[Thundar]

Originally Posted by Isabelle

Was the lorazepam found in actual tablet form?

No it was a percentage of total stomach contents and then the toxicology witness took it down to what it would amount to in pill form for the jury.

[octobermoon]

Wow he is getting sustained left and right.

[octobermoon]

Ms. Fleak back on the stand

[octobermoon]

She is going over evidence records.

[Bluesky#1]

CM could have put medication in tablet form into the cup of Michael's hand and he put them in his mouth and swallowed them with water. My point is, the doctor could have given the tablets to MJ so assuming MJ took the tablets on his own volition may be inaccurate.

[borndem]

Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes

I am reposting my post because I always seem to start out on the wrong thread!

Good Morning Everyone!

One thing was loud and clear to me with yesterday's testimony. Something does not make sense.

The defense would have the jury believe that MJ was this rapid drug addict but frankly the evidence entered doesn't show that at all.

I think just like everything to do with MJ it was blown way out of proportion. A full blown addict will take everything and anything they can get their hands on especially if it is right there in their home for the taking. So him being a drug addict at the time is a bunch of baloney, imo. I don't think he even wanted the other drug cocktail that Murray decided to give him. He just only wanted the propofol so he could think he had slept, imo.

Bottle after bottle of drugs were found in abundance at the Holmby Mansion and so many of them had quite a few pills in the bottle. Some meds were over a year old or more. What addict leaves the drugs alone that they supposedly crave?

Sometimes I think it gets lost that MJ was a 50 year old man who would have aches and pains and medical problems just like any person his age would. I imagine some of our medicine chests are also filled with drugs we may have needed for some kind of illness or sickness. But if MJ has it then of course it is spun the only reason for it is to feed the drug addiction. It seems some expect MJ to have been totally healthy without ever needing a real doctors care for certain medically necessary things.

Why would a saline bag have a slit (cut) in it if not to place something inside of it? That bottle has CMs fingerprint. That is the bottle of propofol CM gave him and is the homicide weapon.

So while the defense is all about getting the jurors distracted with insignificant things I certainly hope the real evidence is not getting lost in the smoke and mirrors of the defense.

IMO

BBM You took the words right out of my mouth, blueeyes...

That IS the smoking gun. Period. Or that's what I think anyway...

That is why he put it in the blue "to go -- to the dumpster" bag, IMO. He knew that his goose was cooked if this was found.

That is why the DT is talking so much about stomach contents today -- that MJ surely drank the propofol and that was, according to the DT, what killed him. Hooey, Hogwash and Horsefeathers, Madam.

I just hope the M.E./Coroner (or a pharmacologist or whoever) can explain to the jury, like they are 5-year-olds, how that is so. And without a doubt.

[Bluesky#1]

EF testified that the conditions of the IV stand were the same when she examined it on the 25 and 29 of June to prove this crucial evidence was not tampered with because the bedroom was not secured during this period of time.

[MsBashterd]

Good Happy Friday to all

Thanks for the updates Bash is in her IPOD 80 music world this am if I didn't find an escape I would be spending my night in a room in yellow duck jammies and pretty blue pads on the walls. Keep the play by plays coming I really would like to spend more time in the ignorance of my lost youth

[borndem]

Originally Posted by Isabelle

IS discussing 'shoddy' investigative work, however no one mentions that this was NOT a crime scene at the time. I'm sure there is a different approach once a crime has been classed a homicide.

Good point, Isabelle. There was a case here in Raleigh recently (Brad Cooper on trial for the 1st Deg Murder of his wife) where at first she was missing & then a homicide was declared a few days later, then body found, etc., etc.

The DT was screaming about why the investigators didn't wear the protective shoe covers, etc., when they went into the Cooper's home to talk to the husband -- they were tracking soil & grass in & out of the house. The PT explained to the jury that at that time, it was still only a missing person case & the house was not a "murder scene" the day of this tracking in & out, etc. This little scuffle goes to what you said as well.

[octobermoon]

Det. Scott (?) Smith on the stand.

[Bluesky#1]

Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes

I am reposting my post because I always seem to start out on the wrong thread!

Good Morning Everyone!

One thing was loud and clear to me with yesterday's testimony. Something does not make sense.

The defense would have the jury believe that MJ was this rapid drug addict but frankly the evidence entered doesn't show that at all.

I think just like everything to do with MJ it was blown way out of proportion. A full blown addict will take everything and anything they can get their hands on especially if it is right there in their home for the taking. So him being a drug addict at the time is a bunch of baloney, imo. I don't think he even wanted the other drug cocktail that Murray decided to give him. He just only wanted the propofol so he could think he had slept, imo.

Bottle after bottle of drugs were found in abundance at the Holmby Mansion and so many of them had quite a few pills in the bottle. Some meds were over a year old or more. What addict leaves the drugs alone that they supposedly crave?

Sometimes I think it gets lost that MJ was a 50 year old man who would have aches and pains and medical problems just like any person his age would. I imagine some of our medicine chests are also filled with drugs we may have needed for some kind of illness or sickness. But if MJ has it then of course it is spun the only reason for it is to feed the drug addiction. It seems some expect MJ to have been totally healthy without ever needing a real doctors care for certain medically necessary things.

Why would a saline bag have a slit (cut) in it if not to place something inside of it? That bottle has CMs fingerprint. That is the bottle of propofol CM gave him and is the homicide weapon.

So while the defense is all about getting the jurors distracted with insignificant things I certainly hope the real evidence is not getting lost in the smoke and mirrors of the defense.

IMO

MJ presented an urgent need for psychological support during his conversation with his private physician on May 5 2009 and Dr. Murray did not refer MJ to a mental health expert so Michael's psychological/mental state never improved.

MJ's manager reached out to Michael and provided him with emotional support on June 20 when he saw he was in emotional distress and he said he saw a drastic improvement in Michael when he showed up at the next rehearsal. Due to his manager's compassion and "loving support", Micheal was able to perform.

On June 25th Michael called his physician at 1 am because he was in emotional distress and Dr. Murray gave Michael drugs and apparently not the emotional support he needed as well and Michael died as a result imo.

Conrad Murray's father abandoned him and didn't reach out to provide for his son during his childhood so both Michael and Conrad Murray were abused by their fathers.

[Bluesky#1]

I wonder if Conrad Murray stayed and slept in the master bedroom when he stayed overnight at Michael's ? Elissa noted the left side of the bed Michael was lying in was dishevelled like someone had slept there. My hinky meter is on red alert.

[Bluesky#1]

Maybe Conrad Murray was addicted to prescription drugs. Who would know?

[Bluesky#1]

Extremely messy is Dr. Murray's style not Michael's afaik. Michael's house and the grounds were well taken care of.

Dr. Murray likely showered in Michael's bathroom before he left in the morning.

[Amity]

I take it from all the pics we've seen put into evidence this morning that MJ didn't even allow a housekeeper or maid or cleaning person up to his bedroom/bathroom area?

[Thundar]

Originally Posted by Bluesky#1

Extremely messy is Dr. Murray's style not Michael's afaik. Michael's house and the grounds were well taken care of.

Dr. Murray likely showered in Michael's bathroom before he left in the morning.

A housekeeper never testified. I wonder if there was a housekeeper or if the chef and nanny kept things picked up?

[joe jones]

Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes

I am reposting my post because I always seem to start out on the wrong thread!

Good Morning Everyone!

One thing was loud and clear to me with yesterday's testimony. Something does not make sense.

The defense would have the jury believe that MJ was this rapid drug addict but frankly the evidence entered doesn't show that at all.

I think just like everything to do with MJ it was blown way out of proportion. A full blown addict will take everything and anything they can get their hands on especially if it is right there in their home for the taking. So him being a drug addict at the time is a bunch of baloney, imo. I don't think he even wanted the other drug cocktail that Murray decided to give him. He just only wanted the propofol so he could think he had slept, imo.

Bottle after bottle of drugs were found in abundance at the Holmby Mansion and so many of them had quite a few pills in the bottle. Some meds were over a year old or more. What addict leaves the drugs alone that they supposedly crave?

Sometimes I think it gets lost that MJ was a 50 year old man who would have aches and pains and medical problems just like any person his age would. I imagine some of our medicine chests are also filled with drugs we may have needed for some kind of illness or sickness. But if MJ has it then of course it is spun the only reason for it is to feed the drug addiction. It seems some expect MJ to have been totally healthy without ever needing a real doctors care for certain medically necessary things.

Why would a saline bag have a slit (cut) in it if not to place something inside of it? That bottle has CMs fingerprint. That is the bottle of propofol CM gave him and is the homicide weapon.

So while the defense is all about getting the jurors distracted with insignificant things I certainly hope the real evidence is not getting lost in the smoke and mirrors of the defense.

IMO

to me it is beyond obvious that MJ was a heavy drug user and an addict, the amount of drugs found and type were not what one would find in most peoples medicine cabinets,

he had been able to get huge amounts of prescription drugs for years because he could pay Drs huge amounts of money for them to lose there ethical and moral compass and prescribe them

if we were to hear the whole story from all of his many Drs throughout the years would show just how much and how long he was an addict for,

Dr Murray was needed not just for the propofol but pre the proopofol he was feeding MJs addictions and prescribing temazepans as early as 2008,

[Thundar]

Originally Posted by joe jones

to me it is beyond obvious that MJ was a heavy drug user and an addict, the amount of drugs found and type were not what one would find in most peoples medicine cabinets,

he had been able to get huge amounts of prescription drugs for years because he could pay Drs huge amounts of money for them to lose there ethical and moral compass and prescribe them

if we were to hear the whole story from all of his many Drs throughout the years would show just how much and how long he was an addict for,

Dr Murray was needed not just for the propofol but pre the proopofol he was feeding MJs addictions and prescribing temazepans as early as 2008,

At this time in MJs life his autopsy toxicology report does not support the theory of a drug addict. Propofol is not physically addictive. Psychologically yes it is addicting. But if you look at the toxicology report at the time of death he was only taking what Murray had ordered and it was for the purpose of sleep.

[Bluesky#1]

Originally Posted by joe jones

to me it is beyond obvious that MJ was a heavy drug user and an addict, the amount of drugs found and type were not what one would find in most peoples medicine cabinets,

he had been able to get huge amounts of prescription drugs for years because he could pay Drs huge amounts of money for them to lose there ethical and moral compass and prescribe them

if we were to hear the whole story from all of his many Drs throughout the years would show just how much and how long he was an addict for,

Dr Murray was needed not just for the propofol but pre the proopofol he was feeding MJs addictions and prescribing temazepans as early as 2008,

It can't be proven only Michael was taking all this prescribed medication that was found in Michael's bedrooms and bathrooms unless Dr. Murray can supply a drug test proving he was clean when he was MJ private physician.

I suspect Dr Murray is a drug addict and he was taking this medication too.

[Bluesky#1]

Dr. Murray Conrad lawyered up immediately after Micheal passed away.