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I so want to keep following but DH and I are arriving at the boat show... It's our anniversary trip so I'm going to have to check back later. Keep up the good work here and prayers for this little baby.
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Originally Posted by lne1970
Assuming that the Dad or both parents is responsible (and I think this is true), what in the world would be their motive?
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Accidental death, I think.
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Originally Posted by CN2Souls
Grieving the abduction of a child
and grieving the death of a child can look allot like the same thing...
I am just saying.....
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Kind of like when someone passes, and you cry, and you say, "I want them back. I just want them back."
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10-07-2011, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by laytonian
...except someone who would do this, isn't a brainiac and has to move quickly.
The timing and location of the dumpster fire is very suspicious to me, and (IMO) leads in the direction of the mother. Someone had to destroy evidence quickly, after removing the child from the home.
It's all too coincidental. First night that the father starts a new job, and the child disappears *exactly* while he's gone?
I really hope it's not the mother. But who'd break into a house, deep inside a subdivision, crawl inside a window and leave no evidence, and then manage to crawl out again ... leaving no evidence?
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It's been established (link on previous thread or threads) that LE determined that the window was not used as point of entry and that the door must have been unlocked. That is my understanding, anyway...
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10-07-2011, 03:25 PM
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This revelation kinda makes me lean to parental involvement. How would a random stranger get this lucky????? Too many lucky coincidences for me...
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10-07-2011, 03:25 PM
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Those little boys are old enough to know, unless they slept thru it, whether or not their mother left the house that night. I wonder if LE has been allowed to speak to the children?
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10-07-2011, 03:25 PM
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Hard to keep up with the thread so I dont know if this has been mentioned but fox is reporting that a call was made from one of the cell phones that night at 2:30am...
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10-07-2011, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by laytonian
...except someone who would do this, isn't a brainiac and has to move quickly.
The timing and location of the dumpster fire is very suspicious to me, and (IMO) leads in the direction of the mother. Someone had to destroy evidence quickly, after removing the child from the home.
It's all too coincidental. First night that the father starts a new job, and the child disappears *exactly* while he's gone?
I really hope it's not the mother. But who'd break into a house, deep inside a subdivision, crawl inside a window and leave no evidence, and then manage to crawl out again ... leaving no evidence?
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But, just to look at things from the flip side, haven't there been other stranger abductions from a home where there wasn't evidence in the home? I know they've been brought up in previous threads. My mind is drawing a blank on names. Someone remember?
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10-07-2011, 03:26 PM
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I feel awful for these parents. They are clearly emotionally exhausted. In her pictures Lisa looks so happy, well cared for and well loved.  |
That's what makes this all so confusing.
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10-07-2011, 03:26 PM
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From Mahoney: Also, the grandfather of Deb Bradley offered an explanation for the police statement on Thursday that the parents were no longer cooperating with police. A claim the family disputes.
David Netz, Sr says the couple objected to police questioning tactics.
"They would cone in and say, 'OK, Jeremy said this, and they'd go back to Jeremy and say Deb said this and this," Netz said.
"When you're tired and worried about your baby, you're bound to make itty bitty mistakes in time lines", Netz said.
"And they have been pouncing in every little, from what I understand, every little mistake that is made".
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 3:21 PM
From Mahoney: He also says they are also watching developments in the search of a Johnson County landfill.
Lerette calls this a day where Irwin and Bradley, as well as other family members, are trying to get some sleep after a tension-filled week.
The couple's 10-month old daughter, Lisa disappeared Tuesday.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 3:19 PM
From KMBC's Mike Mahoney: A relative of Jeremy Irwin and Deb Bradley, the parents of the missing Kansas City baby, say they are hoping a tip from California pays off. Mike Lerette told KMBC's Micheal Mahoney the FBI may be looking at some surveillance video shown a couple in California with a very young child. He would not elaborate.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 3:19 PM
Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a7u41oay
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10-07-2011, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by mck16
Just wondering if they have called the cell phones since the disappearance? Couldn't they tell by the pings where the phones are now? Or is the technology that sophistocated? tia
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My guess is that they want the phones in order to fingerprint them, test for DNA, etc.. JMO...
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why would someone kidnap a baby and take three cell phones.....hinky
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10-07-2011, 03:27 PM
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Those little boys are old enough to know, unless they slept thru it, whether or not their mother left the house that night. I wonder if LE has been allowed to speak to the children?
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Sorry if this has been covered earlier, but does this family have two cars? Could Mom have taken off while the boys slept? Or would she have had to walk? Like to an apartment complex close by.
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10-07-2011, 03:28 PM
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Just wondering if they have called the cell phones since the disappearance? Couldn't they tell by the pings where the phones are now? Or is the technology that sophistocated? tia
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I'm sure they did everything possible about the phones long ago...JMO, but I don't know as they haven't released that info.
My guess is that they want the phones in order to fingerprint them, test for DNA, etc.. JMO...
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10-07-2011, 03:28 PM
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Assuming that the Dad or both parents is responsible (and I think this is true), what in the world would be their motive?
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Lisa did have a cold and cough according to the AA that was first issued. Maybe Lisa was legitimately sick and some sort of "natural" cause took Lisa's life. I don't see the mom as having purposely done something to Lisa with an intent to harm her. I think there was an accident of some sort and Mom covered with the kidnapping story.
FWIW I didn't think Mom had anything to do with it at all until I watched the Today show interview with her from this morning. That interview along with all the tidbits that are coming out today have tipped me off the fence.
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Originally Posted by SleuthyMama
Hmm, 2:27 AM, huh? Coincidentally, right around 2:30 AM when LE says mom made a phone call from one of those cell phones.
I am so not liking the road we are headed down.
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Does anyone know if this mother seemed to suffer symptoms of post-partem depression since this child was born? Just thinking. She comes off as very sincere to me, but just trying to think of everything.
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10-07-2011, 03:28 PM
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This revelation kinda makes me lean to parental involvement. How would a random stranger get this lucky????? Too many lucky coincidences for me...
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A random stranger wouldn't get this lucky, in my opinion. Someone who had been watching/stalking the family might get this lucky, although if the door was usually locked at night, then maybe not.
However, there are a lot of "firsts" that seemed to occur on that night and extra details being offered (like the newly found kitten sleeping with mom and son) and Lisa having a cough/cold and the missing cell phones.
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10-07-2011, 03:29 PM
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Sorry if this has been covered earlier, but does this family have two cars? Could Mom have taken off while the boys slept? Or would she have had to walk? Like to an apartment complex close by.
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I forget which number thread it was in but there is a link that a car and the work van were both searched... there were pictures too.. a white car and then the electric van that said, "all current electric" on the side of it
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That really confuses me. She admits leaving it unlocked? Why of all nights when her husband first night job decides to leave a door unlocked?
Makes no sense.
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Irwin said that this was the first night he had ever worked the overnight shift and Bradley said it was the first night she had ever left the door unlocked.
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If this was an abduction the missing cell phones do not alarm me. Cell phones are very easy to pawn. All the thieves do is remove the sims card (maybe these are what they are looking for in the dumpster fire) and delete the phone history and pawn it - quick easy money -especially if they are iphones or droids. Picking up the phones on the way out could have just been an spur of the moment decision - they are sitting there on the counter, easy grab. If she was reprogramming numbers in them - maybe they were new - seems that might be the case because she said one wasn't working - I have two phones in my purse right now - one doesn't work but I carry it cause I am too lazy to transfer all the info - so I do it as needed. I am still suspicious of both of the parents - but since LE has come out and not confirmed the call at 2:30 and denied that they said that she had failed the Lie detector test "miserably" or maybe denied saying she failed at all- it puts me back to hoping that this was an abduction and maybe Lisa is alive.
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Just shoot me now - I still believe the mother did not have anything to do with Lisa going missing. I have pocket dialed my home phone and various other numbers from shoving my blackberry in my pocket. How in the h3ll does LE know for sure that it was Mom who made the call from the cell phone at 2:30am unless a conversation was recorded. Anybody could have had the phone at that point.
We must remember this is a "leak" from LE and not stated by LE themselves.
The only visual that I have got in my head right now is Jeremy pounding on the door down at LE headquarters and LE standing there saying "uh oh ... nah .. nah ya'all ain't getting in here".
All moo and I have been wrong before but until there is further hard statements from LE's mouths themselves, will not buy into this "leaked" information .... on Fox wasn't it?
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I think we all know, that abduction happen when people are home,
However, they are very rare
and how many of them have so many VERY odd things that also don't jive?
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the cell phones will lead to finding the baby.....someone wants the baby to be found.....just my thought
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Those little boys are old enough to know, unless they slept thru it, whether or not their mother left the house that night. I wonder if LE has been allowed to speak to the children?
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Weren't the children placed somewhere for awhile? I can't remember how it was worded.
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