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Old 10-16-2011, 07:28 PM
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Audrey Gleave, retired teacher, viciously murdered in home, Ancaster Ontario, #3

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Salem! Yet another thread for Audrey!

Now, back to what I posted from Special Agent Safarik - I've been thinking it over and I tend to think that Safarik is incorrect about the "undereducated" part.

In Audrey's case, we know she only knew (and only would tolerate) intelligent people. So, that takes me to this - I believe her killer is very intelligent and well-educated but perhaps the killer feels inferior to his/her colleagues, family and friends. And, it's my opinion that the killer struck out to harm and demean AG's body because he/she couldn't reach her level of intelligence. And of course, the killer is filled with anger towards AG and he's/she's capable of doing great harm - murder!

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How young is young and how close is close. Young can mean up to 40 and I think the perp would have to have had some life experience allbeit negative which would put him over 20's and close, next street, next town?
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I can't help thinking AG's car would really rub someone up the wrong way, it's a young guys car is'nt it? What also seems to link these women who have been attacked and murdered is their success in life. It gives them power, someone does not like that I am sure.
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I just did some research on Special Agent Safarik's work with the FBI. In all of the cases I found, the perps were in their 20's and the sexually assaulted and murdered women ranged in age from 60 - 93.

So...........

Safarik specialises in murders of elderly women.
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I can't help thinking AG's car would really rub someone up the wrong way, it's a young guys car is'nt it? What also seems to link these women who have been attacked and murdered is their success in life. It gives them power, someone does not like that I am sure.
Yes, but I also drive what might be considered a 'young guy's car'. I think many women like fast cars. For me, it's my one and only indulgence.

You're right about the women being successful:

Sonia - nurse
Shelley - photographer
Audrey - teacher

And, all of them had jobs which include working with many people!
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Well look at this young serial killer in the news.
http://www.680news.com/news/national...th-murder-of-4


Police charge suspected serial killer in Prince George, B.C., with murder of 4


The Canadian PressOct 17, 2011 16:21:00 PM

"In an unusual move, RCMP sent some of their evidence to a forensic specialist in Pennsylvania who used state-of-the-art computer technology to uncover more clues.

Police say the public may be able to further help in their investigation, and perhaps someone noticed the suspect's black, 2004 GMC pickup truck.

He was also a heavy user of social media.

"Our investigation indicates he extensively utilized social media and online dating to correspond with friends, associates, potential girlfriends and others," said the statement. "He frequently used the online name of 1CountryBoy."

Mounties say Legebokoff also lived in Lethbridge, Alta., for a short time between June 2008 and August 2009."
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Police have found two missing women after a dropped phone call led to the search of a wooded area in Caledon, Ont., northwest of Toronto....

...Mohkam Singh Sidhu, 22, of Brampton was charged with three counts each of kidnapping, assault, forcible confinement and uttering death threats to cause death or bodily harm. He was also charged with personating a peace officer.

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...TorontoNewHome


Not all that far from Mono and Orangeville but a fair distance from Ancaster. The guy is young.
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O.M.G. Caledon is Peel Region, and the cops expect the public to be only mildly concerned about stolen police badges?

When were they stolen? How many are out there?

I'm not a betting kind of person, but I do believe (bet) there is much more to come of these stolen badges. Peel Region Police needs to mention this in their arrests in the short, medium and long term.

Taxpayers seem to have lost control. How does AG or any other victim stand a chance?
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Are there any links available to Safarik's research? Would like to read them.

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Police have found two missing women after a dropped phone call led to the search of a wooded area in Caledon, Ont., northwest of Toronto....

...Mohkam Singh Sidhu, 22, of Brampton was charged with three counts each of kidnapping, assault, forcible confinement and uttering death threats to cause death or bodily harm. He was also charged with personating a peace officer.http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...TorontoNewHome


Not all that far from Mono and Orangeville but a fair distance from Ancaster. The guy is young.
BBM...I bet he purchased one of those stolen police badges....JMO
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Are there any links available to Safarik's research? Would like to read them.

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http://www.csaia.org/docs/%20Elderly...20Homicide.pdf

of Elderly Females
Linking Offender Characteristics
to Victim and Crime Scene Attributes
MARK E. SAFARIK
JOHN P. JARVIS
Federal Bureau of Investigation
KATHLEEN E. NUSSBAUM
University of Liverpool
Case 1
A 77-year-old widow was sexually assaulted and murdered in her bedroom.
The medical examiner identified three separate causes of death. The
offender strangled the victim into unconsciousness .....Warning Graphic!




Rape and sexual assault are in fact distortions of human sexuality
(Groth, 1978). When the victim is an elderly female, these distortions cause
us to question the more traditional avenues of investigating these types of
homicides. This perception can pose serious difficulties as law enforcement
attempts to establish initial investigative directions for solving these cases.
Because of the relative infrequency of these cases and the lack of research
in this area, investigators often encounter difficulties when trying to investigate
a sexual homicide involving an elderly female victim.1 Complicating
this is a lack of knowledge with respect to offenders who perpetrate these heinous
crimes. Empirical research, perhaps leading to investigative decision
support systems, is needed to assist law enforcement in rapidly identifying
and apprehending these offenders. Specifically, analysis and study of readily
obtainable crime scene, victim, and demographic variables may be useful in
supporting such goals. The research offered here examines cases of elderly
female sexual homicide to identify patterns in the behavioral aspects of the
victims, offenders, their interactions within the context of the crime and to
link offender characteristics to victim and crime scene attributes"
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Thank-you for the link dotr and the highlighted comments.

I like the honesty on page 505, 1st paragraph - 'most homicides studied do not focus exclusively on the elderly'.

While Safarik begins his study with a few cases on known young offenders committing rape and murder of an elderly person, he also goes on to say on page 508 offenders are 25 or older, live within 6 blocks of the victim and are not known to the victim.

I find this biased to produce a sensational effect, which is a shame overall as he may very well know more than most. Why blow it?

He also says on page 506 that the first cops on site do not give as much info on this type of crime as others - which is my first reason for doubting the veracity of their claim to know who they are looking for. Not to mention the cases studied are 604 in the US only and the known offenders are 45% white and 55% non-white. Canada does not have the same demographics to compare to.

Sadly, I fear only a DNA match will work for AG, and many others.
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I forgot to include a statistic from page 508 - offenders ranged in age from 15 to 58.
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Somebody mentioned Orangeville's David Snow a while back. Not sure if it came up, but one of his crimes involved a photo studio in BC.....and calls to mind the SL case.

"The 26-year-old woman said Snow posed as a customer seeking a family portrait at her East Hastings Ave. photo shop in Vancouver.Snow abducted her at gunpoint as she was closing her store at 6 p.m. and marched her 8 km into a densely wooded area in North Vancouver on the night of July 3, 1992"

Source: http://afriendofthefamilymovie.blogspot.com/

It does make you wonder if he had an apprentice or killing buddy. Surely his business partner (and drinking buddy) couldn't have been as naive as the media portrays.

Whatever the case, that Orangeville / Caledon area seems to be a real hotspot for maniacs.
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I keep coming back to that small saw (drywall saw?) that LE possibly bagged from a ditch outside AG's house (and the workboots in the SV case). I can't see anyone using a drywall saw as a weapon of opportunity, or even for some kind of mutilation. It just seems like an odd choice, when there were probably many other possibilities in that cluttered garage.

But I can see someone skilled at using one choosing it for something, especially if they had it on them.

And why discard it into the ditch, rather than just toss it at the scene? Maybe that indicates it was his. Maybe the perp was going to keep his saw, but then realizing it was evidence, thought he'd better dump it as he was leaving.

That's assuming the saw actually played any roll.
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This arrest last year made me suddenly think,oh oh -could this be why a perp is flying under the radar in some of these crimes. I was sort of thinking in terms of a "kid" tossing a bike in some bushes to retrieve later or borrowing or stealing Dad's saw to......what, cut a Xmas tree or make something, a small bonfire, saw off mailboxes?
Teen accused in sex attack
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...x-assault.html
A teenager from the Trail area has been handed a 12-year prison sentence for the vicious sexual assault of an 80-year old woman.

The teenager, who cannot be identified, was 14 years old when he broke into the elderly women's home in Trail, tied her up and raped her repeatedly.
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YES! Just Google 'Special Agent Mark Safarik' and you'll find MANY. He's written papers for the FBI's Behavioural Sciences but the only ones I read were the ones pertaining to murder of elderly females.

The reason I looked up Safarik in the first place was because he assisted Hamilton/Ancaster police with profiling AG's killer. He's the one who said "look young and look close".

I'll add some of his links to this thread a bit later for all of us to read!

ETA: Ooooops, I missed dotr's post above giving a Safarik link! I'll still add more when I have a sec. To dotr -

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ETA again:

Safarik link - http://www.volcanopress.com/pages/ne...id=5&newsid=19

“The best predictor for age of the perpetrator is the level of injury,” according to Safarik. The more violent the injuries the sexual homicide victim suffers, the higher the likelihood that the offender is younger than the mean offender age of 27 years.


More Mark Safarik:

LINK - http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...59178907000195

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And speaking of the police:

http://www.cp24.com/servlet/an/local.../?hub=CP24Home


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http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/10...serial-killer/
The 21 year old serial killer just arrested (news post upthread) did not fit the usual"type" for a serial killer..are we seeing more of that type?

"He was the baby-faced high school athlete with a large and loving family in northern B.C. But police allege 21-year-old Cody Alan Legebokoff was also a teenage serial killer who murdered at least three women and a 15-year-old girl, dumping bodies in the backwoods during a year-long violent spree.

The picture emerging of Mr. Legebokoff from interviews with family, friends and school administrators, is one of a popular and well-adjusted young man from a good home. He competed on downhill skiing and snowboarding teams during high school in Fort St. James, northwest of Prince George
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"He was very sociable and kind-hearted…didn’t hurt others.”

But the friend added that Mr. Legebokoff disappeared for a while shortly before Ms. Leslie’s murder. “He went missing for a few weeks before the murder, like right before, and he didn’t tell anyone where he went, he just disappeared.”

RCMP say Mr. Legebokoff frequently used social media and online dating sites to “correspond with friends, associates, potential girlfriends and others” using the handle 1CountryBoy.

A profile by that name on Nexopia shows a young man who resembles Mr. Legebokoff listed as age 21 and from Prince George. The profile includes the lyrics from Justin Moore’s Backwoods, an eerie association for a man accused of murdering women and dumping their bodies in remote and wooded areas:

“Out in the backwoods/down in the haller/Out in the backwoods/Working hard for a daller/In the backwoods, yeah we got it done rite/work hard, play hard, hold my baby tight/lordy have mersey/ its a real good life in the backwoods.”
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O.M.G. Caledon is Peel Region, and the cops expect the public to be only mildly concerned about stolen police badges?

When were they stolen? How many are out there?

I'm not a betting kind of person, but I do believe (bet) there is much more to come of these stolen badges. Peel Region Police needs to mention this in their arrests in the short, medium and long term.

Taxpayers seem to have lost control. How does AG or any other victim stand a chance?
Sorry for 3 in a row everyone.
http://www.680news.com/news/local/ar...warningToronto Police have issued a warning the public of a man impersonating a police officer.

Toronto police say a man who identified himself as a plainclothes police officer approached a homeowner in the warden and highway 401 area yesterday afternoon.

The homeowner found the man suspicious and reported him to police.

The man is described as white, 5'11"-6'1", 180-190 lbs., with short, curly, black hair. he was wearing a black sweater with white writing, and black pants. He was driving an older-model blue or grey four-door vehicle.
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Yep, we have/will have huge problems with those stolen badges - and all Peel Police can say is 'it's a concern'.

Which brings me back to what LE says about what they 'know' about an unknown perp - are they being realistic or are they having trouble agreeing to disagree?
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