FLOOR-PLAN of Baby Lisa Irwin's home likelihood of this being stranger abduction - Page 7

yllek · #**151** 10-23-2011, 05:37 PM

Thanks otto!

So, looks to me like there is a bathroom with the door just across from Lisa's door. While drinking wine for approximately 4 hours, I think there had to have been a couple of potty breaks, at least. Debbi nor the neighbor ever peeked in on Lisa when they went in the house? Even though she was sick and standing up the last time Debbi saw her? I don't get it, at all

Patty G · #**152** 10-23-2011, 05:46 PM

Another pic of the back of the house.

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panthera · #**153** 10-23-2011, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by yllek

Thanks otto!

So, looks to me like there is a bathroom with the door just across from Lisa's door. While drinking wine for approximately 4 hours, I think there had to have been a couple of potty breaks, at least. Debbi nor the neighbor ever peeked in on Lisa when they went in the house? Even though she was sick and standing up the last time Debbi saw her? I don't get it, at all

Good point! I still find that almost four hour time gap very unbelievable, especially if Lisa was sick. At some point she would be awake and crying for someone or trying to get out of the crib.

MOO

Wise Old Owl · #**154** 10-23-2011, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by panthera

Good point! I still find that almost four hour time gap very unbelievable, especially if Lisa was sick. At some point she would be awake and crying for someone or trying to get out of the crib.

MOO

Or at least need some type of hydration - especially if sick. Four hours is a long time for a 10 month old to go without a change or some juice or water or just a rocking and a song. ITA panthera

Patty G · #**155** 10-23-2011, 06:09 PM

Picture of the window where it is "alleged" entry was made. The doorway is from the kitchen, the way the reporter went through.

The other side of the computer room showing the white door.

I am beginning to wonder if this computer room is not the full length of the house. Maybe it is only half and then there area for the bedrooms.

This house is so chopped up!

Could the boys bedroom be where the white door is located and there is actually no exit to the deck?

lauriej · #**156** 10-23-2011, 06:09 PM

------shots of the back of the house and back yard.

yllek · #**157** 10-23-2011, 06:12 PM

I would surely like to invite Debbi's drinking buddy over for a chicken dinner, some boxed wine, and a little innocent (ahem) conversation!

Seriously, c'mon. Did drinking buddy see Lisa that night? Did Debbi let her use the bathroom? What time did Lisa's little brothers last see her?

All of the media appearances by the parents and their handlers, none of the usual basic details provided. Smells.

panthera · #**158** 10-23-2011, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Patty G

Picture of the window where it is "alleged" entry was made. The doorway is from the kitchen, the way the reporter went through.

The other side of the computer room showing the white door.

I am beginning to wonder if this computer room is not the full length of the house. Maybe it is only half and then there area for the bedrooms.

This house is so chopped up!

Could the boys bedroom be where the white door is located and there is actually no exit to the deck?

BBM

The more I look at the floor plan, the less I believe someone came into the house at night, took Lisa from her crib and got out of the house without making a noise. First of all, they would have to know the layout of the home to even try to accomplish this, and then avoid squeaks in the hardwood floors.

lauriej · #**159** 10-23-2011, 06:19 PM

..attorney cyndyS coming up the stairs in GMA video.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/baby-lisa-i...ry?id=14795844

josie1986 · #**160** 10-23-2011, 06:27 PM

something ive noticed is there doesn't seem to be any baby gates in the house....especially on those stairs.my house is like baby jail theres so many.

having a baby thats crawling/walking u dont really want them roaming about the house getting into things they shouldnt or taking a tumble down a set of stairs IMO

Hoodie · #**161** 10-23-2011, 06:29 PM

I'd like to know what baby protection devices there were-gates, doorknobs, cabinet latches, alarms? I don't get having kids in the house and not locking the doors-not to keep people from getting in-to keep children in...my kids were Houdinis! Hi key locks on the main door and sliders....
Just saying...

quadlatte · #**162** 10-23-2011, 06:36 PM

Otto, IMO you are so close... I just feel that the bathrooms are not quite right.

We pretty much agree that there is 1.5 on top, and one on the bottom... It just looks a bit redundant to have the bathrooms across from each other, with their doors practically opening into each other.

I can't see how the 0.5 bath would fit doorway-wise into the master, but according to the outlets on the roof, I suppose that's where it has to be.

Could the full bath be a Jack N Jill between the boys and Lisa's rooms?

Nevermind...

twall · #**163** 10-23-2011, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Patty G

Picture of the window where it is "alleged" entry was made. The doorway is from the kitchen, the way the reporter went through.

The other side of the computer room showing the white door.

I am beginning to wonder if this computer room is not the full length of the house. Maybe it is only half and then there area for the bedrooms.

This house is so chopped up!

Could the boys bedroom be where the white door is located and there is actually no exit to the deck?

IMO the computer room is the full width of the house. In one of the photo's on the assessor's site I can clearly see a door leading to the deck on the end of the home where the computer room is.

otto · #**164** 10-23-2011, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Patty G

Otto, can you flip the floor plan to show the back of the house like it is in the attached photo leaving the name of the rooms there to show their placement? Thanks.

Like this?

twall · #**165** 10-23-2011, 07:39 PM

Otto, if you want dimensions to work with the property appraiser site has the foundation as 26X53.

otto · #**166** 10-23-2011, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Patty G

Picture of the window where it is "alleged" entry was made. The doorway is from the kitchen, the way the reporter went through.

The other side of the computer room showing the white door.

I am beginning to wonder if this computer room is not the full length of the house. Maybe it is only half and then there area for the bedrooms.

This house is so chopped up!

Could the boys bedroom be where the white door is located and there is actually no exit to the deck?

I think the computer room is the full width of the house and the white door is the door to the deck. I think just to the left of the white door is the stairwell going down. The white door can also be seen from outside on the deck.

otto · #**167** 10-23-2011, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by twall

Otto, if you want dimensions to work with the property appraiser site has the foundation as 26X53.

Thank you! That helps. Right now the size is 30 x 60, so I'll squish it down to 26 x 53.

otto · #**168** 10-23-2011, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by quadlatte

Otto, IMO you are so close... I just feel that the bathrooms are not quite right.

We pretty much agree that there is 1.5 on top, and one on the bottom... It just looks a bit redundant to have the bathrooms across from each other, with their doors practically opening into each other.

I can't see how the 0.5 bath would fit doorway-wise into the master, but according to the outlets on the roof, I suppose that's where it has to be.

Could the full bath be a Jack N Jill between the boys and Lisa's rooms?

Nevermind...

I'm wondering if there could be a laundry area where the second bathroom is.

Mountain_Kat · #**169** 10-23-2011, 07:49 PM

Just zoomed in on the reporter shot in front of Lisa's room...there IS a hallway going past her door.

Dang. I never saw that before. So it's the door to the hallway we see from the kitchen, and Lisa's doorway just through the door to the hallway! And the thermostat we see on the wall by Lisa's door is on the wall in the hallway.

Geez. I'm blind.

Patty G · #**170** 10-23-2011, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by twall

IMO the computer room is the full width of the house. In one of the photo's on the assessor's site I can clearly see a door leading to the deck on the end of the home where the computer room is.

I see a door, but no clue if that door actually leads to the deck. It appears to be a single wide door, of which, is OK, but normally there are sliding glass doors.

YUP, I understand they could have changed the door sometime ago.

All I am doing is throwing things out there because it is difficult to piece this house together.

Patty G · #**171** 10-23-2011, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mountain_Kat

Just zoomed in on the reporter shot in front of Lisa's room...there IS a hallway going past her door.

Dang. I never saw that before. So it's the door to the hallway we see from the kitchen, and Lisa's doorway just through the door to the hallway!

Sure would like to know if once you are facing Lisa room, if there is a hallway going right towards the computer room, and if there is a room closer to the computer room.

I am just stuck with Lisa in the middle, and maybe this is because of the first floor plan shown so early on with Lisa's room in the middle.

Patty G · #**172** 10-23-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by twall

Otto, if you want dimensions to work with the property appraiser site has the foundation as 26X53.

Do you have a link to that site please. Thanks.

Patty G · #**173** 10-23-2011, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by otto

Like this?

Yupper! Thank you.

Patty G · #**174** 10-23-2011, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by otto

I'm wondering if there could be a laundry area where the second bathroom is.

IF there was a laundry room in the second bath, they would have to vent the dryer out somehow. I'm thinking that the laundry room is downstairs.

twall · #**175** 10-23-2011, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mountain_Kat

The stairs down to the basement aren't wide enough to take up all that space at the end of the computer room. I'm telling you, there's a bathroom or something there too, and that's where the lawyer entered Lisa's bedroom from the 2nd time (where the thermostat was). Couldn't be any other direction BUT from a room off the computer room because of the angle of Lisa's crib in that shot.

And again, there is no hall going past Lisa's bedroom. Not that I can see anywhere.

How wide do you think the space at the end of the computer room is? My living room used to be a 2 car garage, 20'x22', with the enclosed basement stairwell at the back of the room. I just measured the outside stairwell walls and they measure 3'3"x15'. (hubby asked me if I was selling the house, lol)

I see a hall through the kitchen doorway looking into Lisa's bedroom on the first walk through with the reporter. I think her bedroom is in the middle and the boy's room is to the right if you are standing facing Lisa's bedroom door. The angles don't match up on the reporter walk through video, you don't see the boy's room because it is behind the kitchen wall where the table is. If you look at the video of the lawyer where she bends down and tries to pick up the carpet from the master bedroom floor and look at the paint color outside the bedroom it is the same color as when she is walking into Lisa's room on the wall where the thermostat is.