Dr G. to do special about Caylee

[okiedokietoo]

Originally Posted by pcrum12

No proof duct tape obscured any airway - if did, no proof Casey applied said duct tape

Death not reported - she was scared, young, immature, and didn't know what to do

Body hidden away by WHO

Lies don't equal murder

All JUST MY OWN OPINION

I hear what you're saying although imo the Anthony's seem to somewhat agree with Dr. G or they would still be out there looking for the real killer - instead they started a foundation for Grandparents Rights

[logicalgirl]

Originally Posted by pcrum12

No proof duct tape obscured any airway - if did, no proof Casey applied said duct tape

Death not reported - she was scared, young, immature, and didn't know what to do

Body hidden away by WHO

Lies don't equal murder

All JUST MY OWN OPINION

Hmm - are you saying the duct was applied to Caylee's face but left the nose open and the mouth not covered so she could breathe? What was the point of that do you think?

[dog.gone.cute]

Good for Dr. G ! She is a "class act" ... I cannot wait to watch her show !

This is the best news I have heard since Jeff Ashton's book was published !

And as to Jose Baez, he is soooooo "jealous" that Ashton and now Dr. G are getting the attention ...

Jose = "yesterday's news" -- just like his "client" ...

[Pollywog]

I doubt I will watch it. I don't read anything about Casey either and will always change my TV channel when there is any story about her. I still turn over th mags in the check out line if it has anything about her on the front.

[cmlegend99]

Whoops!

[Tulessa]

Bumping, so this tired old soul doesn't forget....

[neesaki]

I have never seen any of her shows, but will make it a point to watch this one.

[Kat]

Originally Posted by Sleuths4Me

Thoughts? will you watch?

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/ent...k-at-case.html

It will premiere at 8 p.m. Jan. 1 on TLC and repeat Jan. 6 on Discovery Fit & Health.

Snipped that for prosperity so nobody does like I did and start and page 3 and read backwards to look for the time and date

[Nore]

Originally Posted by Tulessa

Bumping, so this tired old soul doesn't forget....

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Tulessa, this old soul will remind you!! I cant wait.I have it marked on my calendar in big letters..I feel Dr. G wants people to just realize the truth of forensics..Unlike other people she doesnt want pay, we know that for sure
just for truth to come out on forensics.

[Nore]

Originally Posted by neesaki

I have never seen any of her shows, but will make it a point to watch this one.

neesaki, I think you will enjoy her show. Its (IMO) not like other autopsy programs. Dr. G. is a very upbeat person. She explains things for the everyday person to understand. She is very caring about all, I must say it really hurts to see Baez make such stupid remarks about her. They say "stupid is as stupid does," really fits in his case.

P.S. one learns a lot about the live human body from her shows..

[pcrum12]

Originally Posted by logicalgirl

Hmm - are you saying the duct was applied to Caylee's face but left the nose open and the mouth not covered so she could breathe? What was the point of that do you think?

I'm saying IMO they did not prove that duct tape was on mouth nose or where it originated from period.

[LambChop]

Originally Posted by pcrum12

I'm saying IMO they did not prove that duct tape was on mouth nose or where it originated from period.

There were two ME's testifying. Dr. G who said the duct tape was wrapped around Caylee's face, nose and mouth area. She was the original ME who examined the remains.

Then there is Dr. Spitz who was not there to examine the remains when they were recovered, admits only viewing certain photographs which were preselected by defense to support their theory for Dr. Spitz to testify that someone, some unknown person found the skull, took it home and put duct tape on it without leaving a trace of DNA or fingerprints and then returned it to the site placing it in the exact position it was before, a genius of sorts I would imagine. And in a very short period of time the duct tape became so weathered and degraded that all the cotton fibers and glue on the tape were gone.

I think common sense really tells us what happened and those few who disagree will never convince the masses differently. As Dr. G. stated there is no logical reason for the duct tape being where it was other than to cause the death of Caylee. We did not see the pictures so the only witness who could tell us what she saw was Dr. G.

When you think about how her skull was found and what could have happened to the tape it is almost as if Caylee is reaching out to give us that information. She was able to speak the truth even in death. jmo

[jane the dood]

Wouldn't you know, I recently cut back to basic cable, so I no longer get TLC. Hope it will be available online at some point because I'd really like to see it.

[logicalgirl]

Originally Posted by jane the dood

Wouldn't you know, I recently cut back to basic cable, so I no longer get TLC. Hope it will be available online at some point because I'd really like to see it.

You and me both Jane the Dood - I signed up for extra channels just so I could get TLC which was immediately changed to Investigative Discovery or something and isn't even available in Canada at all anymore.

[wonders]

Originally Posted by pcrum12

I'm saying IMO they did not prove that duct tape was on mouth nose or where it originated from period.

May I ask? In your opinion where was the duct tape if not on the nose and mouth, where did it originate from? Thanks

[atthelake]

Originally Posted by jane the dood

Wouldn't you know, I recently cut back to basic cable, so I no longer get TLC. Hope it will be available online at some point because I'd really like to see it.

Same here Jane! I'll be walking to a neighbors house to view it! She knows I follow it and will watch it with me! Hope I don't forget, but I'm sure the threads will remind us right before the show on the sidebar thread. Someone will have to be the bartender at the sidebar for that show as I'm sure we'll all wanna have a drink to go!

I've never seen the show, so I've ordered the DVD set one of the seasons from my library. As to your question of if this show if regularly on the TLC site or on free Hulu or another place, I don't know. But I bet someone will tell us!

[FLmom777]

I have always loved her show. She does such a good job of explaining things in a way that people understand.

[Nore]

Originally Posted by jane the dood

Wouldn't you know, I recently cut back to basic cable, so I no longer get TLC. Hope it will be available online at some point because I'd really like to see it.

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hi jane, Dr.G. is on discovery/fit channel. i recently took a larger bundle just to get Dr. G.. Oprah took the channel she was on.

[FLmom777]

Originally Posted by pcrum12

I'm saying IMO they did not prove that duct tape was on mouth nose or where it originated from period.

Jeff Ashton stated on Dr. Phil that he saw it, and it was covering where her mouth and nose would be. The jurors also saw the picture that showed this.

[pcrum12]

Originally Posted by LambChop

There were two ME's testifying. Dr. G who said the duct tape was wrapped around Caylee's face, nose and mouth area. She was the original ME who examined the remains.

Then there is Dr. Spitz who was not there to examine the remains when they were recovered, admits only viewing certain photographs which were preselected by defense to support their theory for Dr. Spitz to testify that someone, some unknown person found the skull, took it home and put duct tape on it without leaving a trace of DNA or fingerprints and then returned it to the site placing it in the exact position it was before, a genius of sorts I would imagine. And in a very short period of time the duct tape became so weathered and degraded that all the cotton fibers and glue on the tape were gone.

I think common sense really tells us what happened and those few who disagree will never convince the masses differently. As Dr. G. stated there is no logical reason for the duct tape being where it was other than to cause the death of Caylee. We did not see the pictures so the only witness who could tell us what she saw was Dr. G.

When you think about how her skull was found and what could have happened to the tape it is almost as if Caylee is reaching out to give us that information. She was able to speak the truth even in death. jmo

fwiw, no where in the autopsy report does it state that tape was "wrapped around" the face, mouth and nose. It actually states that tape was attached to the hair and overlying the mandible and maxilla, per Dr Utz (the first ME to examine the remains). Dr Shultz states that it can be INFERRED that the tape was what could have held the mandible in place. However, it is also noted that plant growth had permeated the remains. IMO, this too could have held the mandible. And that is exactly what CSI Hanson, Dr. Shultz and Dr. Utz testified to in court. No expert testified that the duct tape was responsible for holding the mandible in place during the decompositional process in court. Also, IMO, the muck could have been responsible for the position of the skull and mandible. I don't see how the duct tape could have held the mandible. The skin, hair and duct tape would have loosened before the jaw muscles decomposed. The PT theory the tape was applied to the skin, then skin loosened and fell off the face but somehow the tape held enough to keep the mandible in anatomical postion? IMO, I just can't buy it. Again, all JMOO.

ETA: As to Dr. Spitz, his theory was just a smokescreen put on by the defense.

[pcrum12]

Originally Posted by FLmom777

Jeff Ashton stated on Dr. Phil that he saw it, and it was covering where her mouth and nose would be. The jurors also saw the picture that showed this.

He may have stated it on the Dr Phil show but CSI Hanson, Dr Shultz, Dr Utz, nor Dr G ever testified in court that the tape was covering her mouth and/or nose.

[atthelake]

Originally Posted by pcrum12

fwiw, no where in the autopsy report does it state that tape was "wrapped around" the face, mouth and nose. It actually states that tape was attached to the hair and overlying the mandible and maxilla, per Dr Utz (the first ME to examine the remains). Dr Shultz states that it can be INFERRED that the tape was what could have held the mandible in place. However, it is also noted that plant growth had permeated the remains. IMO, this too could have held the mandible. And that is exactly what CSI Hanson, Dr. Shultz and Dr. Utz testified to in court. No expert testified that the duct tape was responsible for holding the mandible in place during the decompositional process in court. Also, IMO, the muck could have been responsible for the position of the skull and mandible. I don't see how the duct tape could have held the mandible. The skin, hair and duct tape would have loosened before the jaw muscles decomposed. The PT theory the tape was applied to the skin, then skin loosened and fell off the face but somehow the tape held enough to keep the mandible in anatomical postion? IMO, I just can't buy it. Again, all JMOO.

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[bayouland]

Originally Posted by pcrum12

He may have stated it on the Dr Phil show but CSI Hanson, Dr Shultz, Dr Utz, nor Dr G ever testified in court that the tape was covering her mouth and/or nose.

This is not rocket science. The tape was on the mandible, maxilla, overlapping, and wide enough to cover the nose as well.

Autopsy report (item C).

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/im...ny.autopsy.pdf

Radiography of the skull.

http://www.e-radiography.net/nickspdf/Skull.pdf

[LambChop]

Originally Posted by bayouland

This is not rocket science. The tape was on the mandible, maxilla, overlapping, and wide enough to cover the nose as well.

Autopsy report (item C).

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/im...ny.autopsy.pdf

Radiography of the skull.

http://www.e-radiography.net/nickspdf/Skull.pdf

Also let's not forget the tape was entangled in the hair and the hair had slothed off from the top of her skull to the side/back of her skull. Shortly after death the jaw drops so the tape had to have been on her face and holding the mandible in place. It is the mandible which allows them to determine where the tape was situated on her face making the determination that the tape was, in fact, covering her nose and mouth. And, yes, it's not rocket science and I think Dr. G's testimony in court was quite clear that the tape was placed there at the time of Caylee's death.

The duct tape is a big issue that cannot be just explained away by any other explanation such as someone took it home and lined up her jaw perfectly and placed duct tape there and brought the skull back and placed it back in the exact location. What is interesting about what Dr. Spitz testified to is that by claiming someone else (????) doing this they would have placed the duct tape over the nose, mouth and mandible area. So essentially Dr. Spitz is claiming that what was found was true, just differs on how the tape got there. jmo

[jane the dood]

Originally Posted by Nore

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hi jane, Dr.G. is on discovery/fit channel. i recently took a larger bundle just to get Dr. G.. Oprah took the channel she was on.

Hi Nore Alas, basic cable is very...basic. I don't get anything but ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS...the major cable channels. So I miss all of the scientific stuff. Good thing I enjoy reading more than I enjoy watching the tube! And...there's always the internet.