Penn State athletic director plus ex-Paterno assistant charged in child rape case #2

[mahmoo]

Not only was Sandusky collecting his pension from PSU, he was also collecting from Second Mile as well.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11316/1189464-455.stm

The very success of The Second Mile meant there was plenty of money for Sandusky to lavish on boys. A review of tax forms filed by The Second Mile shows that out of almost $3.3 million in revenue during the 2008-09 year, salaries, wages, and payments to directors totaled almost $1.4 million, along with $190,000 for "camp food" and $288,000 for "other expenses."

Sandusky is no longer on the payroll; his last payment was $57,000 in 2007-08, according to tax records. Over the years the payments to Sandusky totaled hundreds of thousands of dollars.

bbm

[ziggy]

I'm glad Penn State didn't win, only because they were going to march the game ball to Joe P's house. Sick. This man had the power to save children and he chose to look the other way for his own gain. There should be a black eye on this institution who put football over the lives of vulnerable children. McQuery needs to go now.

[ThoughtFox]

You know, I'm to the point where I don't care what the "laws" of Pennsylvania were, or what the policies of this university were. And that goes for any other state where people aren't technically forced by the law to report abuse.

I took education classes back in the early 80s and we were told that teachers and coaches have a moral imperative to protect children. I thought that was a universal belief, and yet somehow in this case grown men were afraid to intervene in the rape of more than one child, and were able to keep going back to this athletic department to draw a paycheck.

I can understand the janitors being afraid to report a coach, but I still think they should have intervened when they saw an adult and a young boy. How difficult is it to yell "Stop!"

I also see lots of articles and hear comments (such as Dr. Drew the other night) stating that McCreary was a "boy" but come one - he was 28 years old - not a boy - and he continues to work for Paterno's football program to this day. How does he sleep at night?

The irony is rich that in trying to protect the reputation of the football program, they have ruined the reputation of the entire school for years to come. I don't feel sorry for JoePa one bit. He knew that nothing was done for these victims. He knew that his friend got off scot free.

[BrownRice]

Originally Posted by mahmoo

From the Grand Jury Presentment (bottom of Victim 7 page 21)
Could this attempted contact be construed as 'tampering with a witness'??? Any attorneys able to weigh in on this?

bbm

Come on, the fact the Sandusky's called victim 7 repeatedly is just a little misunderstanding. I'm sure Mr. & Mrs. S were just contacting "victim 7" to see what his plans were for Thanksgiving and to get his Christmas list. And to see if a wire deposit could be made to his checking account. That's it. Nothing nefarious. Mr. Sandusky is a kind and loving child protector. Just read his book. Just ask Dottie from the Second Mile.

Good for Victim 7 to not call them back! This makes me wonder how long Mrs. S was in the know about all of this.

[BrownRice]

Originally Posted by ThoughtFox

You know, I'm to the point where I don't care what the "laws" of Pennsylvania were, or what the policies of this university were. And that goes for any other state where people aren't technically forced by the law to report abuse.

(snipped).......

I can understand the janitors being afraid to report a coach, but I still think they should have intervened when they saw an adult and a young boy. How difficult is it to yell "Stop!"

Ya know, this is the one person, I'm willing to give a little leeway to. He was an elderly temporary worker (from the Korean war, right?). Here is a person who REALLY needed a paycheck and was scared to death. Of course he should have done the right thing. No question. But the fact he was later institutionalized with dementia makes me wonder if it had anything to do with what he witnessed. Still, he should have protected the child for sure. Of course, but it's a very sad situation regardless. I felt pity when I read it though.

[Concerned Papa]

Earlier this past week, the head of the Pennsylvania State Police, Commissioner Frank Noonan said:

"I don't think I've ever been associated with a case with this type of eyewitness identification of sex acts taking place where the police weren't called"

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...6706442.column

Fifty million dollars a year in profits from a football program prevented that call.......

THEY WERE JUST LITTLE BOYS, you pieces of <self snipped>. (Never mind Mods, I saved you the trouble)

[wfgodot]

Originally Posted by eileenhawkeye

Question for everyone:

When you hear the words "Kent State", what do you think of?

The opening guitar chords of Crosby Stills Nash & Young's "Ohio."

The songs Penn State's debacle will inspire promise to be mawkish, air-brushed, soft and forgettable - nothing so sinister as the sound of the song above. No one will, in the future, think of a piece of music when they hear the words Penn State. Instead they may recall the ever more sinister image of a large grown man raping a ten-year-old boy in the showers of Penn State University.

A song about the turned-deadly protest of an unpopular war can be the stuff of art; there is nothing that will mitigate the grand jury presentment in this case. It delivers an irredeemable moment which will remain, always, the stuff of nightmare.

[Concerned Papa]

Earlier this past week, after being fired, Joe Paterno said:

"With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more."

You just couldn't see past $50,000,000.00 per year in profits, could you Joe?

[Trident]

Each and every one of these brought-to-light "scandals" are just the tentacles of the giant octopus, and the people caught up in these so-called "scandals" are nothing more than the suckers on the tentacles.

In my humble opinion, child rape, pedophilia, and child pornography go a LOT deeper, or higher, if you will. Yeah, we can castigate a sucker (the victim holders) on the tentacle, think Boy's Town, whatever, but you never really touch the giant octopus lurking deep under the water.

Yeah, they all need to go, too many accidents, too much suicide, too many rumors, missing children, and documented rapes. Yo! People! These are OUR children that are being raped and abused. You ever hear of someone in high places having a child raped? I will bow to the Percy case, of course, that was weird.

Let's get real, this case isn't simply about Penn State, Sandusky, or Paterno. I believe it goes a LOT deeper than that. Do some digging, it's ugly, very ugly, and OUR children are the victims. The body of the octopus needs to be hunted down and disposed of, in a humane, politically correct way, of course.

My opinion only

[Concerned Papa]

6'3" tall, 230 lbs, in the prime of his life physically, and Mike McQueary did NOTHING to stop a washed up old has been from inflicting the horror he witnessed on a 10 year old child.

<modsnip>.....

[belimom]

Originally Posted by Concerned Papa

Earlier this past week, the head of the Pennsylvania State Police, Commissioner Frank Noonan said:



Fifty million dollars a year in profits from a football program prevented that call.......

THEY WERE JUST LITTLE BOYS, you pieces of <self snipped>. (Never mind Mods, I saved you the trouble)

I agree. And that's why the headline about 'healing' beginning at Penn State may push me over the edge here. Sure, they've lost some coaches/staff, had their reputation scarred, but - they know nothing about 'healing'. Leave that word for the victims.

I STILL don't think Penn State gets it.

[Trident]

Originally Posted by Concerned Papa

6'3" tall, 230 lbs, in the prime of his life physically, and Mike McQueary did NOTHING to stop a washed up old has been from inflicting the horror he witnessed on a 10 year old child.

<modsnip>.....

I'm going to take this one step further. IF McQueary has any decency inside of himself, any feeling for humanity, or care even for the INSTITUTION of Penn State, he would RESIGN and save everyone a lot of grief. Since he hasn't done so, I can only surmise he's hanging onto his lucrative job by the skin of his teeth and a little boy's pain, hoping this will go away. WELL, IT WON"T.

My opinion only

[Trident]

Originally Posted by belimom

I agree. And that's why the headline about 'healing' beginning at Penn State may push me over the edge here. Sure, they've lost some coaches/staff, had their reputation scarred, but - they know nothing about 'healing'. Leave that word for the victims.

I STILL don't think Penn State gets it.

Healing can't begin until the sickness is rooted out. I don't believe we are there yet.

[InTheGarden]

Originally Posted by mahmoo

Two paragraphs stand out from the following PA AG press release….the 2nd paragraph is particularly intriguing. I wonder why “officials” came across as so “uncooperative”…..especially in a case(s) that involved sexual abuse of a child/children? All bbm:

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/press.aspx?id=6270
Courtney ‘apparently’ rebutted the GJ claim that he was representing PSU and the Second Mile at the same time. According to Courtney, he didn’t begin as legal counsel for Second Mile until early 2009. Although the time frame is not clear at this point, the PA Attorney General Office began their investigation into the Sandusky allegations in early 2009 as well. There’s quite a bit of other interesting info in the following link:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11316/1189464-455.stm

Another thing that isn’t too clear at this point is who knew what when. From the link above:
Did the Second Mile honchos have ANY knowledge of the 1998 allegation prior to learning of the 2002 incident with Sandusky? Courtney was aware of the 1998 allegation….was the 2002 incident kept from him?

According to Courtney’s credentials, listed on the McQuaide Blasko website, http://www.mqblaw.com/statecollege/a..._courtney.html, Mr. Courtney's primary area of focus in labor and employment law is human resources counseling, with an emphasis on prevention and resolution of employment related problems, and collective bargaining negotiations.

Was he involved in Sandusky’s ‘retirement’ details in ’99 I wonder or were university officials able to handle that ‘exit’ without legal counsel??

One more note of interest (to me at least). Courtney was replaced as Penn State counsel in Jan 2010. Penn State hired Cynthia Baldwin as the university’s FIRST full-time general counsel and chief legal officer.

Wendell Courtney appears to be at the heart of this horrific debacle. He was the one giving "legal counsel" on how to contain this mess. He was also sitting on both fences, Penn State and The Second Mile. Too much of a coincidence to me. The entire Penn State administration was relying on legal advice, and trust me, it carries a lot of weight on how "issues" are resolved.

And then there is the personal relationship Courtney shared with Sandusky. . . people with stronger stomachs than mine will have to investigate that.

In my humble opinion.

[Trident]

Originally Posted by InTheGarden

Wendell Courtney appears to be at the heart of this horrific debacle. He was the one giving "legal counsel" on how to contain this mess. He was also sitting on both fences, Penn State and The Second Mile. Too much of a coincidence to me. The entire Penn State administration was relying on legal advice, and trust me, it carries a lot of weight on how "issues" are resolved.

And then there is the personal relationship Courtney shared with Sandusky. . . people with stronger stomachs than mine will have to investigate that.

In my humble opinion.

BBM Yep, there is a L O T going on here that people with stronger stomachs need to delve into. It's like a cesspool letting go and what we are seeing here are a few rotten fish, old and young, swimming for their lives, trying to keep their heads above the chit. For once, dear God, could someone with legal power hold their heads under water until they spew the truth? If not, all we can do is rant and rave while they spend their millions, lick their lips, and saying "we have done no wrong".

My opinion only

[Ada]

Does McQueary have children? If so, I wonder how he can look them in the eye. And what about his wife (does he have one?)? If you learned that your husband walked away from a child being raped, would you ever be able to respect him again?

[SuziQ]

Originally Posted by Trident

Healing can't begin until the sickness is rooted out. I don't believe we are there yet.

I don't think we are there either. I have to fear that the climate of thinking that allows people to still place Joe on the pedistal and calls child rapes "little mistakes" has allowed alot more to go on than we know. And will still condone and allow it. Anyone who supports this should be shamed of themselves. That goes for anyone, from the people high up down to the students, community, and the media.

It makes me ill to think anyone could justify child rape for any reason.

[angelmom]

Originally Posted by InTheGarden

Wendell Courtney appears to be at the heart of this horrific debacle. He was the one giving "legal counsel" on how to contain this mess. He was also sitting on both fences, Penn State and The Second Mile. Too much of a coincidence to me. The entire Penn State administration was relying on legal advice, and trust me, it carries a lot of weight on how "issues" are resolved.

And then there is the personal relationship Courtney shared with Sandusky. . . people with stronger stomachs than mine will have to investigate that.

In my humble opinion.

If it comes out that he actually advised anyone against calling LE I would think this would be cause to disbar him, but that's just me. It was clearly an ongoing crime and a child was in danger, so that supersedes the whole "privilege" issue.

[Quiche]

I'm still agape at reading Ray Gricar's name in that GJ report-- when I was looking through his case a while back, I wondered what kind of case might have gotten him professionally "disappeared"... I think we now know.

It seems entirely feasible that he let the 1998 assault go uncharged while intending to watch, wait, and build a stronger case on the predator he had in his sights. Everything about his case smelled like a "hit" to me. That computer/hard drive in the river once held the secrets to Sandusky et al.-- I'll bet my bottom dollar.

MOO

[ScorpRising]

Originally Posted by Trident

Each and every one of these brought-to-light "scandals" are just the tentacles of the giant octopus, and the people caught up in these so-called "scandals" are nothing more than the suckers on the tentacles.

In my humble opinion, child rape, pedophilia, and child pornography go a LOT deeper, or higher, if you will. Yeah, we can castigate a sucker (the victim holders) on the tentacle, think Boy's Town, whatever, but you never really touch the giant octopus lurking deep under the water.

Yeah, they all need to go, too many accidents, too much suicide, too many rumors, missing children, and documented rapes. Yo! People! These are OUR children that are being raped and abused. You ever hear of someone in high places having a child raped? I will bow to the Percy case, of course, that was weird.

Let's get real, this case isn't simply about Penn State, Sandusky, or Paterno. I believe it goes a LOT deeper than that. Do some digging, it's ugly, very ugly, and OUR children are the victims. The body of the octopus needs to be hunted down and disposed of, in a humane, politically correct way, of course.

My opinion only

Thank you button not enough... I think you're saying exactly what I was trying to say. No child deserves to be raped yet we see it time and time again... whispers... GO HIGHER, DIG DEEPER!

All I'm asking is you not fall prey to the media hype. If, in the end, Paterno deserves prison time and moral disgrace for his roll, it needs to be doled out. But can we, as sleuths, start looking for the body octopus instead of scapegoating an old man, who, is currently the least guilty non-victim or victim relative in 23 pages of disturbing, detailed child rape and molestation.

The Board didn't investigate previously, they're setting up a task force now. They're thoughts were take out the face of PSU, the world will see we're serious. What if that is the way they save their own pedo-selves and now they still have access to the kids in Second Mile?

How does an assistant coach of 10ish years have the assets to set up a front for a pedo ring anyway? He was destined for football greatness. He could've coached anywhere yet he chose to stay in State College and rape little boys. His enablers are bigger, much, much bigger than the Paterno's of the world.

[concentric]

Several articles say that Sandusky took his victims to church with him. Imagine that.

[TobyWong*]

Originally Posted by Trident

BBM Yep, there is a L O T going on here that people with stronger stomachs need to delve into. It's like a cesspool letting go and what we are seeing here are a few rotten fish, old and young, swimming for their lives, trying to keep their heads above the chit. For once, dear God, could someone with legal power hold their heads under water until they spew the truth? If not, all we can do is rant and rave while they spend their millions, lick their lips, and saying "we have done no wrong".

My opinion only

I wish just one human in this group of men, would just say "yup we all knew and we knew back in 1980 and tried to wish it away" even take it further and name names and have notes written down. Just someone willing to go against the grain. Why does'nt someone want to be the hero or at least act humble and acknowledge how much this has been covered up.

Money has never meant anything to me other than to pay bills and feed my family, I cannot fathom putting career/money/loyality to a sports-entertainment franchise, before the well being of another human, much less a small helpless human. Are these people not repulsed thinking how physically and mentally damaged these boys are?? I am and I did'nt have to work around sandusky or the enablers.

[nomoresorrow]

MSNBC is reporting that people within the community have seen JS shopping at the local mall, even wearing his Penn State sweatshirt! They're outraged - and so am I - that he isn't in jail. Instead this child-rapist is frequenting areas where children are known to go, and potentially hunting for new victims. This is just wrong, wrong, wrong!

ETA: I need my morning coffee - BRB.

[ScorpRising]

Originally Posted by nomoresorrow

MSNBC is reporting that people within the community have seen JS shopping at the local mall, even wearing his Penn State sweatshirt! They're outraged - and so am I - that he isn't in jail. Instead this child-rapist is frequenting areas where children are known to go, and potentially hunting for new victims. This is just wrong, wrong, wrong!

ETA: I need my morning coffee - BRB.

Add to that, he lives behind an elementary school... He's violating the distance a SO needs to be from a school. Yet State College officials let him free on unsecured bail...

[concentric]

Originally Posted by TobyWong*

I wish just one human in this group of men, would just say "yup we all knew and we knew back in 1980 and tried to wish it away" even take it further and name names and have notes written down. Just someone willing to go against the grain. Why does'nt someone want to be the hero or at least act humble and acknowledge how much this has been covered up.

Money has never meant anything to me other than to pay bills and feed my family, I cannot fathom putting career/money/loyality to a sports-entertainment franchise, before the well being of another human, much less a small helpless human. Are these people not repulsed thinking how physically and mentally damaged these boys are?? I am and I did'nt have to work around sandusky or the enablers.

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This has been going on for years at other institutions, and it still goes on because either people choose to be unaware of it, or ignore it. Tens of thousands of children all over the world were/are sexually victimized.