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Chris_Texas asked in the previous thread why Sky had a shirt on while swimming and M didn't. It didn't appear to me that anyone else was around and maybe M just didn't want to wear it. My daughter does that sometimes, however, I thought is was strange also that Sky did have a shirt on.
Maybe he has a birthmark that JB felt was unsightly...or maybe he had some bruises (regardless of how they may have gotten there, if they were there at all--Purely speculation) that she certainly couldn't have blamed on Dad by that point. Like I said, total speculation, but a possibility, IMO.
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Where is thread 7?
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March 30 2011 is the date for the poster that asked about a date taken...
eta: March 31 my bad!
the pic that opened the thread...
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Where is thread 7?
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Probably hidden for clean-up.
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I'm guessing thread #7 was taken down because it had a lot of flickr photos of the kids on it?
Regardless, someone posted right at the very end about how involuntaries turn "voluntary." I apologize that I didn't catch the username and can't quote but I wanted to say that your post rings very true and I appreciate you posting it!
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Where is thread 7?
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Mods are probably editing all of the Flickr pics out.
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Probably hidden for clean-up.
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What happened? I've been away for the last hour or so, was still catching up.
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Where is thread 7?
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Thread 7 has been pulled for review. As soon as the review is completed, it will return 
Please feel free to pm any mod if you have further questions or concerns.
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Regarding the possibility of JB getting a passport for the kids without SM's consent: it would be very hard. It could be done, but she would have to forge his name on a gov't form and somehow get it notarized - and have a copy of a photo ID or passport of his to take with her to apply for a minor. (We've gotten passports twice for our kids so I remember going through all of that)
>>>> If both parents aren't present, then that's what you have to do.<<<<
http://travel.state.gov/passport/get...inors_834.html
Also, I think early on it was said that neither child had a passport - in a press conference, I think? I'm sure if they suspect that JB may have taken Sky out of the country, then they have already checked with the State Dept to see if he had a passport.
Of course, there are illegal ones.
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I'm guessing thread #7 was taken down because it had a lot of flickr photos of the kids on it?
Regardless, someone posted right at the very end about how involuntaries turn "voluntary." I apologize that I didn't catch the username and can't quote but I wanted to say that your post rings very true and I appreciate you posting it!
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I'll see if I can find the post and place it in this thread. Give me a few minutes.
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I thought I was going crazy.... thread 7 disappeared, and I was only on page 15!!! I was wondering about all the flickr posting of pictures. They all say All Rights Reserved, so I was wondering as to the legality of posting the pictures over here...Yes Salem -I have that question if you know the answer to it?
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Here's that post:
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I snipped the above quote from SmoothOperator's post. Great job on putting things in order because this case is all over the place!
I wanted to address her "voluntary" admission. From my experiences with patients who are given a mandatory 72 hour commitment ( I work as a first responder and with other patients as well) I would say her "voluntary" admission was basically involuntary. Here is how that works.
Basically a patient is free to go after 3 days per law but staff members/doctors will usually advise those who need further treatment that while they can choose to go, that the hospital/doctors can (and will) get a court order to lengthen the stay. They advise the patient to voluntarily commit themselves by saying "you can choose to stay and are free to leave at anytime of your own will or you can choose to go now and we will get a court order and you will NOT be able to leave and will lose your right to decide anything for yourself".
So the patient is basically forced to commit themselves or risk getting a court order against them which will keep them from making any choices for themselves. Also, they could have used the custody battle to convince her to stay saying that voluntarily getting help would be much better than having them commit her against her will. The patient then knows they have to play the game and act like they want help and cooperate to be able to get out.
Also, patients are often miraculously "cured" right about the time that their insurance coverage period is up. I've seen that a LOT! I hope that wasn't the case with her because if so, then the hospital contributed to this horrific event by putting profits over patient health.
Not saying that this is how it went for her or how it is everywhere but in my experience, it happens a lot. Sad but true.
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Regarding the possibility of JB getting a passport for the kids with SM's consent: it would be very hard. It could be done, but she would have to forge his name on a gov't form and somehow get it notarized - and have a copy of a photo ID or passport of his to take with her to apply for a minor. (We've gotten passports twice for our kids so I remember going through all of that)
>>>> If both parents aren't present, then that's what you have to have.<<<<
http://travel.state.gov/passport/get...inors_834.html
Also, I think early on it was said that neither child had a passport - in a press conference, I think? I'm sure if they suspect that JB may have taken Sky out of the country that they checked with the State Dept to see if he had a passport.
Of course, there are illegal ones. |
You know, with the international connections JB has, I wouldn't put it past her to seek out some quality fakes, especially with her sob story.
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How can someone who has OCD with germs be a sugar baby? I don't get that.
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You know, with the international connections JB has, I wouldn't put it past her to seek out some quality fakes, especially with her sob story.
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It doesn't appear she was planning on fleeing herself... with the ad she placed.
I wonder about a private plane/jet. I think she must be a US citizen with the alleged story about deportation and marriage... she'd have to be.
I wonder if dad is. If not would the kids have dual citizenship? In Pakistan?
I don't think he took Sky. just curious...
I read something about someone in JB's family overseas owning a plane.
I don't know those laws either regarding overseas travel.
Russia is by no means "close" to WA. It is over that way though.
It is plausible she was planning to put him on a private plane-
not sure how passports work or IF it were a family member that owned a plane or jet, it might go unnoticed???
Of course how would he get back here? if ever.
So hoping he is alive and being cared for!
Just seems like She would go with both children.
I do think it was stated that they were NOT allowed to travel out of the country...
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I'm guessing thread #7 was taken down because it had a lot of flickr photos of the kids on it?
Regardless, someone posted right at the very end about how involuntaries turn "voluntary." I apologize that I didn't catch the username and can't quote but I wanted to say that your post rings very true and I appreciate you posting it!
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Hi Rouge,
Thanks!! That was me that posted that. I came back to check up on the latest and freaked out when i got the message that I wasn't allowed to get back to where I was. I was worried that I had done something wrong, lol.
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It doesn't appear she was planning on fleeing herself... with the ad she placed.
I wonder about a private plane/jet. I think she must be a US citizen with the alleged story about deportation and marriage... she'd have to be.
I wonder if dad is. If not would the kids have dual citizenship? In Pakistan?
I don't think he took Sky. just curious...
I read something about someone in JB's family overseas owning a plane.
I don't know those laws either regarding overseas travel.
Russia is by no means "close" to WA. It is over that way though.
It is plausible she was planning to put him on a private plane-
not sure how passports work or IF it were a family member that owned a plane or jet, it might go unnoticed???
Of course how would he get back here? if ever.
So hoping he is alive and being cared for!
Just seems like She would go with both children.
I do think it was stated that they were NOT allowed to travel out of the country...
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A quick google search says that you do need to have a passport and have to go through customs even on a private plane. Depends really on the countries laws it seems also. I've always wondered about that myself. MOO
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How can someone who has OCD with germs be a sugar baby? I don't get that.
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Are we sure it was germs? I thought SM said dust/dirt...MOO
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Are we sure it was germs? I thought SM said dust/dirt...MOO
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And then there was making everyone sleep on the floor so as not to mess up the beautifully tidy beds.
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Why would she hide one kid only? Now her daughter is in foster care. It doesn't make any sense to hide one kid to lose the other. So I don't believe that she hid the live kid, not at all.
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And then there was making everyone sleep on the floor so as not to mess up the beautifully tidy beds.
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Well, but that's the beds in her house. From the pictures, we know she relaxes her standards in hotels.
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Why would she hide one kid only? Now her daughter is in foster care. It doesn't make any sense to hide one kid to lose the other. So I don't believe that she hid the live kid, not at all.
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It don't make sense. I think that is why in one of the pressers LE stated they did not think Sky was out of state and was either in the area of the apartment or where he went missing. Today however they said they have not ruled anything out. 
link to pressers from Patty G:
http://www.myspace.com/video/565006329
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This is really sad b/c she has a mental illness. She might not be a fantastic person, but would this really have happened if she weren't mentally ill? Did she start out loving her husband? Did they ever have a normal relationship? I find myself intensely curious about the relationship between them.
I don't mean to cast any aspersions on the husband. I believe he's blameless in the disappearance. But he is not acing his lie detector tests (and I realize they are not always accurate) and it's making me wonder if he knows more bad things about her than he is telling. Maybe he let her get away with some stuff and he's now regretting it. For example: HOW do you force a kid to sleep till 2 pm? And whatever method she used for that could also be how she left them at home for extended periods. I wonder if he knows or suspects something about her methods.
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