TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #31

[Onyx]

Originally Posted by Hippy Chick

One thing I have always wondered and probably dosen't even matter but, we all saw the pics of Clint and Drew with all the dead ducks. So it stands to reason Clint was a hunter. Why wasen't Clint out turkey hunting himself. Turkey season here in Missouri is kinda a bonding time so to speak for the guys not like deer season but if they are a dedicatied hunter they are out that first morning for sure. That has always made me wonder. Correct me if I am wrong when the story 1st broke didn't it come out that Drew was at work maybe like 30 mins away then all of a sudden he is at Holly's GM's land hunting? Like I said probably means nothing but crossed my mind more
than once.

Clint was said to have a paper he was planning to write that day.

[nosyone]

Originally Posted by Plumeria5

I have been away for a while. Sorry if this has already been posted but I just saw this photo gallery. A few pictures I hadn't seen before.

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_1...in;contentBody

Thank you for posting these pictures, I had not seen many of them. This is my opinion and my opinion only, but from the very first time I saw a picture of HB and DS together, my first thought was, that they surely didn't look matched. He is a nice looking guy, but he looks like a tall little boy, while HB looks like a very beautiful young woman. That has nothing to do with the case I know, but just an aside thought I had.

[cluciano63]

Personally, I feel that Clint has told the truth as best he can. I don't think he knows who took Holly and I don't believe Drew does either. I think Clint turned out to be what is possibly the world's worst witness for a crime taking place before his eyes, and that the man who did abduct Holly had no idea of how lucky he would be in having Clint be his witness. In fact, if Clint hadn't seen anything at all, it might be thought that Holly ran off alone, so really, the only thing he has been able to confirm is that she left with someone. If not for the blood, he couldn't even say she had not done so willingly. As much as I lack faith in this LEA, I don't envy them for having Clint be their main hope for clues. JMO

[wishuwerehere]

I do not believe Clint needs to be defended. Holly needs to be found. And to do so, if Clint needs to be investigated by LE, so be it. Clint’s tale is quite suspicious to say the least. As in, why didn’t Clint hear a vehicle pulling away (a pickup truck, or a car?). He had no problem hearing the cop cars driving up the road. (I know - he had a bee in his ear at the time and couldn’t hear. Whatever.)

jmo

[Oriah]

I am interested in an area S of Parsons- Savannah TN- the Dry Creek area. It's about an hour S of Darden- you go through Parsons, then down 69 through Decauterville.
Are there any locals on WS's who may have knowledge of this area, and fishing camps/ATV routes/campgrounds, etc? TIA.

http://www.hookandbullet.com/fishing...k-savannah-tn/

[~n/t~]

So frustrating. I fail to understand TBI in this case. Volunteer searchers were willing and ready to continue searching but TBI announced no more searches.

On April 27 TBI spokeswoman Kristin Helm announced that the investigation is narrowing and that they know a lot more than they did when Holly first went missing. She said their investigation is now more focused and that they continue to follow up on leads.

http://www.examiner.com/missing-pers...nderson-county

Really? Here we are 9 months later and it doesn't sound like it's any more focused than it was the day Holly vanished.

[clarabelle]

Originally Posted by Plumeria5

I have been away for a while. Sorry if this has already been posted but I just saw this photo gallery. A few pictures I hadn't seen before.

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_1...in;contentBody

I am completely confused. The third photo is not Holly. The eyes and the shape of the face are completely different. Looks more like Natalie to me..see pic #35 and compare the faces in the photos.

[TxLady2]

Originally Posted by ThoughtFox

Because people lie sometimes.

And the brother was the only witness, so all they have to go on is rather bizarre story.

They don't bring in cadaver dogs unless there is a strong possibility or suspicion of death, and obviously there was none. Cadaver dogs and handlers would have to be brought in from another part of the state, and that costs the agency money. No sheriff is going to start racking up big bills within the first few hours unless he has good reason to.
I don't find the story that bizarre. There are some things that are a bit confusing (to us) but very few cases make perfect sense until someone is arrested and more of the details come out once it goes to court.

[Oriah]

Originally Posted by clarabelle

I am completely confused. The third photo is not Holly. The eyes and the shape of the face are completely different. Looks more like Natalie to me..see pic #35 and compare the faces in the photos.

Natalie?? Please explain....

[clarabelle]

Her cousin Natalie

[Carla Lashelle]

A good many photos of everyone have been mis-captioned. I would not really think much about it at this point.

[cfreyja23]

Originally Posted by ~n/t~

So frustrating. I fail to understand TBI in this case. Volunteer searchers were willing and ready to continue searching but TBI announced no more searches.





http://www.examiner.com/missing-pers...nderson-county

Really? Here we are 9 months later and it doesn't sound like it's any more focused than it was the day Holly vanished.

IMO, (and some of this is admittedly based on things I read online, not on WS) LE believes that she is deceased and is buried on private land nearby which they do not have access. I believe that they have questioned locals who have refused to allow LE to search their land. At this point, if her kidnapper was a local, and the person hid her on his land, LE has little need for searchers (though maybe they'd be able to spot something overhead if they used a helicopter to search. My understanding is that it's expensive though.)

[tiredblondy]

Originally Posted by cfreyja23

IMO, (and some of this is admittedly based on things I read online, not on WS) LE believes that she is deceased and is buried on private land nearby which they do not have access. I believe that they have questioned locals who have refused to allow LE to search their land. At this point, if her kidnapper was a local, and the person hid her on his land, LE has little need for searchers (though maybe they'd be able to spot something overhead if they used a helicopter to search. My understanding is that it's expensive though.)

I had read those rumors too. Seems like the cousin who is a singer could help with that expense.

[cluciano63]

I doubt this case will ever come to court. JMO. I think it will be one of those mysteries that are never solved.

[Whisperer]

Has anyone kept track of the money the Bobos have raised since last April? It seems they have collected quite a lot.

Recall the words of Karen after the t-shirt drive? I think that cleared about $25,000. (on just t-shirts). Karen said she was saving it for Holly to take a vacation when she is found. I thought that odd. I think she has odd words and thoughts;as does Clint. Dana appears clear in thought.

[wfgodot]

So I guess that warrant bust of Tony Calabrese really moved the case forward.

[Whisperer]

Originally Posted by Oriah

I am interested in an area S of Parsons- Savannah TN- the Dry Creek area. It's about an hour S of Darden- you go through Parsons, then down 69 through Decauterville.
Are there any locals on WS's who may have knowledge of this area, and fishing camps/ATV routes/campgrounds, etc? TIA.

http://www.hookandbullet.com/fishing...k-savannah-tn/

Oriah, can you pinpoint where Drew S was hunting that fateful morning. Was it in the direction of your interest? I see by the photos of that area, that it is a dreamland for body hiding.

What road did LE take to get to Holly's? North or South?

Was Drew out there that morning searching for Holly? It appears there were many people on the property. Any reason why a crime scene was not established immediately? LE could have blocked all traffic with patrol cars.

[~n/t~]

Originally Posted by cfreyja23

IMO, (and some of this is admittedly based on things I read online, not on WS) LE believes that she is deceased and is buried on private land nearby which they do not have access. I believe that they have questioned locals who have refused to allow LE to search their land. At this point, if her kidnapper was a local, and the person hid her on his land, LE has little need for searchers (though maybe they'd be able to spot something overhead if they used a helicopter to search. My understanding is that it's expensive though.)

I heard those rumours also but IMO if there is a will there is a way. After 9 months, they would find a way to get on that property, if true.

Maybe the paragliders were used for that purpose. IDK

Time for LE to get a search warrant.

[Whisperer]

I'm still stuck on FULL turkey camo. How many strangers abducting Holly are going to wear Turkey Camo early in the morning other than a turkey hunter. The only thing that makes sense is Clint thinking he saw Drew. Perhaps he did. Why are we just not willig to go there? Not once has he been seen or heard from since that day. He was her boyfriend for a year. They saw each other every day and he is now in hiding. He was turkey hunting that morning. What happened? Was there an accident?

Drew should be out searching and taking names...instead of being in seclusion.

[MizStery]

Originally Posted by ~n/t~

I heard those rumours also but IMO if there is a will there is a way. *After 9 months, they would find a way to get on that property, if true.

Maybe the paragliders were used for that purpose. *IDK

Time for LE to get a search warrant.

Or, at the very least a Grand Jury. In a high profile case like this, i would think there would at least be rumored or leaked some word of a Grand Jury. I just would like to find Holly. Delaying moving
this crime forward only benefits the perpetrator.

Here is the link on how Grand Juries operate in TN

http://www.tncourts.gov/rules/rules-...al-procedure/6

MOO

[cfreyja23]

Originally Posted by ~n/t~

I heard those rumours also but IMO if there is a will there is a way. After 9 months, they would find a way to get on that property, if true.

Maybe the paragliders were used for that purpose. IDK

Time for LE to get a search warrant.

I was thinking of the paragliders, too, but for some reason I kept thinking of them as "hang-gliders," which sounds ridiculous. I'm not well-versed in things that happen in the sky!

The thing about probable cause is, if they enter property without pc or permission, any evidence gathered would be inadmissible in court. I'd be interested to find out where in particular paragliders were requested to view from above. If the locations are privately owned, IMO that might indicate the owners (or relatives of the owners) are POIs.

Edited: Also, if you think about cold cases in general, sp many of them are cold because LE didn't have probable cause to arrest or to obtain a search warrant, even when they had a viable suspect. If Holly was taken to someone's private property, I really don't see how LE would get a search warrant unless evidence is found on public property nearby, or someone sees something from above (in plain view).

[SmoothOperator]

With regards to the above discussion of LE unable to search, nor qualify for getting a search warrant to enter and search areas that are private property.. Upon pondering on this issue I do find as plausible that we could in fact be dealing with a situation such as this.. For example take a wealthy, heavily connected family and it be a member of that family that is who is responsible for Holly's abduction/murder.. IMO its not out of the realm of possibility that this perp and possibly members of his family were to have helped after the fact in concealing and covering up that murder.. I believe it possible that they may find that an avenue to take in burying the victim on their private property(and not necessarily their home or residence property but another property owned by family).. And know for certain that with their being no evidence tying any of them to her disappearance that they would be safe from even worrying about LE procuring a search warrant to search that family owned property where they have the body buried..

I believe especially with it being a wealthy and/or heavily connected family that would only make them more confident in their belief that NO WAY IN HELL LE WOULD BE ABLE TO EVER SEARCH THEIR PROPERTY.. This keeping their family member responsible for her murder protected as well as protecting the family's good name and standing in the community..

Definitely an avenue that I atleast find to be plausible in this case..

Jmo, tho!!

[Oriah]

Originally Posted by clarabelle

Her cousin Natalie

Do you mean Whitney?

[Oriah]

Originally Posted by cfreyja23

IMO, (and some of this is admittedly based on things I read online, not on WS) LE believes that she is deceased and is buried on private land nearby which they do not have access. I believe that they have questioned locals who have refused to allow LE to search their land. At this point, if her kidnapper was a local, and the person hid her on his land, LE has little need for searchers (though maybe they'd be able to spot something overhead if they used a helicopter to search. My understanding is that it's expensive though.)

Link please?

[Oriah]

Originally Posted by Whisperer

Oriah, can you pinpoint where Drew S was hunting that fateful morning. Was it in the direction of your interest? I see by the photos of that area, that it is a dreamland for body hiding.

What road did LE take to get to Holly's? North or South?

Was Drew out there that morning searching for Holly? It appears there were many people on the property. Any reason why a crime scene was not established immediately? LE could have blocked all traffic with patrol cars.

No, that's not based on the direction of where Drew was hunting that morning. It's based on the the most likely direction of vehicle travel (IMVHO) from the residence in order to evade anyone who may have noticed something unusual- such as LE- and locally known as a very popular hunting, fishing, and ATV trail area. All sports which are very popular in the community. I also did a little searching of some social networking sites, and matched up some profiles with the folks in the MSM photos of the volunteer searchers.

I feel strongly that if Holly's abductor is 'local' (and by that, I should say I believe he may be very much under the radar- not the prominent type person that many people seem to think) I think he is likely an outdoorsman. And he likely knew of and had access to a location such as a hunting or fishing shack, blind, cabin, trailer, etc.

And the hour or so drive fits, to me. The only thing that I get stuck on is going through Parsons. Might Holly's abductor (and possibly Holly) actually have passed incoming LE and volunteer searchers- traveling in the opposite direction? Who may have showed up at a later search that wasn't an immmediate responder? Just thoughts.