Deceased/Not Found MI - AMBER ALERT: Bianca Lilly Jones, 2, Detroit, 2 Dec 2011 - #2

[dillysmom11]

I buzzed through to catch up, so forgive me if I'm repeating.

Springing off your post. Keep in mind, D'Andre was possibly driving erratically due to nerves/anxiety prior to staging this alleged car jacking. Maybe breaking and looking down alleys before deciding which one to pull into. That type of driving behavior would have been memorable. It would have also called attention to noticing the occupants of the vehicle.

That makes SO much sense to me. DL comes across as either being VERY distraught or VERY guilty. Circumstances point to guilty. IMO His appearance on NG was so shaky, he was obviously in physical and emotional distress. IMO

I assume the nephew would observe some of that stress? Is there any report on what the nephew saw? Did he state if he talked at all to Bianca?

I also assume that live-in girlfriend knows *something*. IMO this will all fall apart for DL very soon.

The difference between Bianca's disappearance (and that of Sky, Aaliyah and so many others), and Lisa Irwin's is the criminal/CPS history of the parent/s. IMO

[JeannaT]

Originally Posted by not_my_kids

I blame the media for the portrayal of Banika as not being vocal or involved. She is involved. She's out there talking to businesses, asking for donations, passing out flyers from the back of her car, talking to everyone. Dandre is getting 15-20 minutes of uncut raw interview time put on the air. Binaka is only getting sound bytes, even if she had been talking for 20 minutes, we'd never know that, because the media is choosing to air Dandre's statements over hers. That's only my perception from watching the media reports.

When she did the spot at a news station, begging for anyone to release Bianca, she seemed to barely be able to keep it together. Before they actually taped the piece, she was on camera and probably didn't know it, and she looked like she was ready to collapse and pulled herself together to make the plea. I just think she's probably running on empty.

[Cubby]

Originally Posted by BetteDavisEyes

I appreciate what you're saying, but the same thing is true in the disappearance of Baby Lisa Irwin who went missing on Deborah Bradley's watch while Jeremy Irwin was at work. JI has no first-hand knowledge of what transpired that night while he did electrical work at a Starbuck's, yet he and Deborah appeared in the media together and insist on being interviewed together by LE. While the couple lives together with each of their sons, they are not married yet present a united front in the search for their missing daughter. What aren't Banika and D'Andre doing the same? jmo

I'm not following the baby Lisa case. That said, the difference is Baby Lisa's parents are still living as a couple, cohabitating so to speak. They are not operating as single parents coparenting as is the case with Bianca's parents.

I would not expect single parents coparenting to behave in the same manner as a mutually exclusive couple so to speak.

JMO

[Cubby]

The article has been updated so uncle OJ's quote no longer appears in the MSM link, but I found the post which I originally added his quote.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SurfieTX
Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/...#ixzz1fOiEg4zi

Trying to go through the thread again.

The above msm article was updated. The following Jones being quoted is OJ, moms brother.

Jones said the girl had been staying with her father for the past week and last night was the last time that mom Banika Jones spoke his niece.
“We both talked to her last night over the phone. We were just talking to her and she was just over her dad’s house for a week and stuff. We were just talking to her because we hadn’t heard from her,” said Jones.

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Why hadn't they heard from her? And why did it take getting uncle to act like a big brother or for Banika to have a male step in to actually get DL to allow mom to speak with their child?

What excuses did DL give Banika for not allowing her to speak with her child from the day he took the girls to the movies until that Thursday night?

Something is very very fishy about this phone call and I still think it was not Bianca, Banika spoke to, but the other 2 yr old daughter of D'Andre's.

JMO

[Guinevere]

HLN Just had a short segment on Bianca. Sorry couldn't log and type this before it ended, but they mentioned the case.

[krimekat]

Originally Posted by Cubby

She's been very active in the media ( well as much media as you would expect for a black child from a very bad neighborhood). If you google Banika Jones, you should find plenty of info with her speaking. It's really only been the last two days there has not been much media attention on her since D'Andre is out there talking all about himself and how he is not the bad guy while refusing to answer questions related to the car jacking.

hth

Not IMHO . . . (devil's advocate) why was HE on NG & MSM interviews

[Cubby]

Originally Posted by dillysmom11

I buzzed through to catch up, so forgive me if I'm repeating.



That makes SO much sense to me. DL comes across as either being VERY distraught or VERY guilty. Circumstances point to guilty. IMO His appearance on NG was so shaky, he was obviously in physical and emotional distress. IMO

I assume the nephew would observe some of that stress? Is there any report on what the nephew saw? Did he state if he talked at all to Bianca?

I also assume that live-in girlfriend knows *something*. IMO this will all fall apart for DL very soon.

The difference between Bianca's disappearance (and that of Sky, Aaliyah and so many others), and Lisa Irwin's is the criminal/CPS history of the parent/s. IMO

The only information released to the media regarding the nephew is that she was in the car that morning. No where has media stated whether she was seen, covered with a blanket, alert and awake, sleeping.

MSM has reported D'Andre was using a paddle on Bianca and someone had to ask him to stop. I'll repost if I can find it.

[LindaG]

Originally Posted by StephanieH

So this is some kind of drug deal thing then?

It's starting to sound like that, but I doubt it.

Which reminds me of Casey Anthony - there is a supposition there that an accident occurred (drowning in the pool) and the mother covered the accident, making it look like a kidnapping/murder.

If this IS a drug deal, an issue of a drug debt is made worse by turning it into a car-jacking/kidnapping/hostage situation and involving so many people, LE, resources, media, etc. Why not just go to LE in the beginning and ask for their help.

Possibly, Bianca was taken and will be held until DL pays a debt to the dealers, but they are making a lot of work for themselves. A two-year-old needs a lot of care, diapers, special foods, naps... and how do they know he wants his daughter back. Maybe I am naive, but why turn over your child as collateral.

Drug dealers are in the business of aquiring and selling drugs - not daycare/kidnapping. Are they set up for that? Is there some baby daycare where babies are held until the debt is paid? If there are witnesses who say they saw him leaving his car - alone, when was the baby taken, or did he just hand her over to them. Do drug dealers sell on a pay-plan or is it cash up front.

Strange we haven't heard more about this practice. If it is found that parents knew this was not a stranger abduction, they both have a lot of explaining to do.

moo

[Cubby]

Originally Posted by lynnb

from new interview.....
"She might of missed going to the potty," Lane said. "I might have spanked her bottom...It's just a parent being a parent."

Lane does admit to having a small paddle he uses to discipline his children, and while he may have used it on Bianca the night before she disappeared because of the potty incident, he says she was not abused.

Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/...#ixzz1fnik9JOA

bumping to bring current. BBM.

[Guinevere]

Originally Posted by Cubby

The article has been updated so uncle OJ's quote no longer appears in the MSM link, but I found the post which I originally added his quote.

Jones said the girl had been staying with her father for the past week and last night was the last time that mom Banika Jones spoke his niece.
“We both talked to her last night over the phone. We were just talking to her and she was just over her dad’s house for a week and stuff. We were just talking to her because we hadn’t heard from her,” said Jones.

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Why hadn't they heard from her? And why did it take getting uncle to act like a big brother or for Banika to have a male step in to actually get DL to allow mom to speak with their child?

What excuses did DL give Banika for not allowing her to speak with her child from the day he took the girls to the movies until that Thursday night?

Something is very very fishy about this phone call and I still think it was not Bianca, Banika spoke to, but the other 2 yr old daughter of D'Andre's.

JMO

Thank you

This explains what the description "provided to the police" was, I had not seen it before.

Anyone know if this Uncle OJ the same one who spoke with her on the phone the prior evening? Or another Uncle?

~

[krimekat]

Originally Posted by Cubby

bumping to bring current. BBM.

not really current, we've known this for a few days . . . just sayin'

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/...#ixzz1fnik9JOA

"She might of missed going to the potty," Lane said. "I might have spanked her bottom...It's just a parent being a parent."

[krimekat]

Originally Posted by Guinevere

Thank you

This explains what the description "provided to the police" was, I had not seen it before.

Anyone know if this Uncle OJ the same one who spoke with her on the phone the prior evening? Or another Uncle?

~

you may want to reflect on our awesome previous threads

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Thread #1

we have lots of great info & insight. . .

[Cubby]

Timeline info and link originally posted by AmandaB in thread 1




Timeline:

• 7:30 a.m. Bianca leaves a home on Mitchell Street with her father
• 8:10 a.m. Lane is seen on a school surveillance tape dropping off a 15-year-old nephew
• 9:55: a.m.: Lane reports he was carjacked on Beaubien, between Euclid and Philadelphia
  
  
  
• 10:15 a.m.: Police find Lane’s vehicle just blocks away in an alley off Brush between Philadelphia and Euclid

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/D...z/-/index.html

We can add DL dropped a nephew off at school at 8:10am. (will try and find link).

http://detnews.com/article/20111205/...ng-with-police

[Cubby]

Originally Posted by krimekat

not really current, we've known this for a few days . . . just sayin'

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/...#ixzz1fnik9JOA

"She might of missed going to the potty," Lane said. "I might have spanked her bottom...It's just a parent being a parent."

My apologies. I should have been clear. I was bringing to the current page for those who have not had the time to read each and every post in both of Bianca's threads. No where did I say it was new news.

[Guinevere]

Originally Posted by krimekat

you may want to reflect on our awesome previous threads

MI MI - AMBER ALERT: Bianca Lilly Jones, 2, Detroit, 2 Dec 2011 - #1 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community Thread #1

we have lots of great info & insight. . .

I know thats why I come here. This case caught my attention and I only have enough time to try and follow one or two at a time.

Try to keep up with what I can... guess coming into this case late I missed alot of the inital information. My Bad

[katydid23]

Originally Posted by LindaG

It's starting to sound like that.

Which reminds me of Casey Anthony - there is a supposition there that an accident occurred (drowning in the pool) and the mother covered the accident, making it look like a kidnapping/murder.

If this IS a drug deal, an issue of a drug debt is made worse by turning it into a car-jacking/kidnapping/hostage situation and involving so many people, LE, resources, media, etc. Why not just go to LE in the beginning and ask for their help.

Possibly, Bianca was taken and will be held until DL pays a debt to the dealers, but they are making a lot of work for themselves. A two-year-old needs a lot of care, diapers, special foods, naps... and how do they know he wants his daughter back. Maybe I am naive, but why turn over your child as collateral.

Drug dealers are in the business of aquiring and selling drugs - not daycare/kidnapping. Are they set up for that? Is there some baby daycare where babies are held until the debt is paid? If there are witnesses who say they saw him leaving his car - alone, when was the baby taken, or did he just hand her over to them. Do drug dealers sell on a pay-plan or is it cash up front.

Strange we haven't heard more about this practice. If it is found that parents knew this was not a stranger abduction, they both have a lot of explaining to do.

moo

I have personally never heard of that ever happening. If a drug dealer wants revenge on someone for a drug debt they sometimes shoot up the debtor's home, and a child may get shot. But I have never heard of them taking a 2 yr old and babysitting until the debt is paid.

[danisisa]

Originally Posted by LindaG

It's starting to sound like that, but I doubt it.

Possibly, Bianca was taken and will be held until DL pays a debt to the dealers, but they are making a lot of work for themselves. A two-year-old needs a lot of care, diapers, special foods, naps... and how do they know he wants his daughter back. Maybe I am naive, but why turn over your child as collateral.

Drug dealers are in the business of aquiring and selling drugs - not daycare/kidnapping. Are they set up for that? Is there some baby daycare where babies are held until the debt is paid? If there are witnesses who say they saw him leaving his car - alone, when was the baby taken, or did he just hand her over to them. Do drug dealers sell on a pay-plan or is it cash up front.

Strange we haven't heard more about this practice. If it is found that parents knew this was not a stranger abduction, they both have a lot of explaining to do.

moo

It happens in Mexico all the time where people are held for money. D will be in deep crap if the police know he still has drugs ties because then it is back to prison for him. All these dealers have baby mamas that will do whatever they say.

Now, I am up in the air about this case, but nothing should be discounted. This are of town is not a safe one and most of us live in areas where we do not have to worry about theses type of things so it is infathomable to is.

I pray she is found safe, but given the timeline and search areas, she should have been found by now if he dumped her somewhere. IMO. If a cadaver dog was brought in, and he threw her in the trash, the dog would have picked it up there, in the house, and in the car. IMO

[LindaG]

Originally Posted by Guinevere

Thank you

This explains what the description "provided to the police" was, I had not seen it before.

Anyone know if this Uncle OJ the same one who spoke with her on the phone the prior evening? Or another Uncle?

~

I am pretty sure it is the same guy - younger, very involved in the search and very fond of Bianca.

I saw a clip where the mother and uncle OJ (Orlando Jones) talked about their last conversation with Bianca. They had previously talked about how smart she was and what a good vocabulary she had and was outgoing, but when the reporter asked him what Bianca had to say (and she asked each of the adults in turn and each responded the same way - eyes slightly lowered - thinking) they seemed to frown slightly, look a little confused (if that is the right word) shrugged and said, "Words...she talked...she just said words".
That was an immediate red-flag, I thought. They looked like they knew, too, that something was not right.

jmoo

[not_my_kids]

In this video they show the car as it was found parked in the alley, driver door open. I can't get a screenshot but it's in the very first few seconds of the interview.
http://news.yahoo.com/video/detroitw...-27510198.html

[lauriej]

Originally Posted by not_my_kids

In this video they show the car as it was found parked in the alley, driver door open. I can't get a screenshot but it's in the very first few seconds of the interview.
http://news.yahoo.com/video/detroitw...-27510198.html

--a shot from this video...@ 2:00.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/year-girl-m...ry?id=15083624

[StephanieH]

I imagine drug dealers have girlfriends who would take care of Bianca until D'Andre coughed up whatever it was they needed him to cough up. HOWEVER...with all of this publicity? If I were said drug dealer? I wouldn't be hanging on to that baby. What if she got sick or the girlfriend didn't take good care of her or she had a peanut allergy they didn't know about? Not a good plan...if I were a GOOD drug dealer? (Again, I am taking my drug dealing knowledge from "Breaking Bad", "Law and Order" and "Weeds") I would be dropping that baby off in an ER or fire station or somewhere. Seriously. She is too "hot".

[lauriej]

Originally Posted by LindaG

I am pretty sure it is the same guy - younger, very involved in the search and very fond of Bianca.

I saw a clip where the mother and uncle OJ (Orlando Jones) talked about their last conversation with Bianca. They had previously talked about how smart she was and what a good vocabulary she had and was outgoing, but when the reporter asked him what Bianca had to say (and she asked each of the adults in turn and each responded the same way - eyes slightly lowered - thinking) they seemed to frown slightly, look a little confused (if that is the right word) shrugged and said, "Words...she talked...she just said words".
That was an immediate red-flag, I thought. They looked like they knew, too, that something was not right.

jmoo

---the Chief speaks well of the family and uncle orlando..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ctor-test.html

The missing girl's uncle, Olando Jones, 20, recently attended a summit in Washington on youth violence prevention.

http://www.freep.com/article/2011120...ted-carjacking


[Chief] Godbee described the Joneses as a quality family and said Bianca's uncle, Olando Jones, is a young community leader.

[LindaG]

Originally Posted by Cubby

The only information released to the media regarding the nephew is that she was in the car that morning. No where has media stated whether she was seen, covered with a blanket, alert and awake, sleeping.

MSM has reported D'Andre was using a paddle on Bianca and someone had to ask him to stop. I'll repost if I can find it.

The nephew would be the last 'independent' witness to see Bianca. He is a 15 year old male - doubt they notice much about babies, but I bet uncle was talking up a storm and trying to give the impression that Bianca was alive/asleep/doing something cute and funny, that nephew could not see. There is some reason that we are not hearing much regarding this important witness to Bianca and her uncle's behavior and conversation.

I am not sure if he was staying with DL or if he was picked up somewhere. If he was staying with DL, he would have even more to tell.

[not_my_kids]

Originally Posted by StephanieH

I imagine drug dealers have girlfriends who would take care of Bianca until D'Andre coughed up whatever it was they needed him to cough up. HOWEVER...with all of this publicity? If I were said drug dealer? I wouldn't be hanging on to that baby. What if she got sick or the girlfriend didn't take good care of her or she had a peanut allergy they didn't know about? Not a good plan...if I were a GOOD drug dealer? (Again, I am taking my drug dealing knowledge from "Breaking Bad", "Law and Order" and "Weeds") I would be dropping that baby off in an ER or fire station or somewhere. Seriously. She is too "hot".

I think it would be more likely, if this were truly the one and only case where a child was abducted for drug money, that the dealer would likely kill her the moment he realized that the police were involved. MOO.

[Kat]

JMHO but we aren't hearing a lot about what the minors saw or reported to LE is because they are minors. That usually happens when minors are witnesses but sometimes you do get their parents speaking to media on their behalf relating what was seen or heard. JMHO

While possible given that in Mexico cartels will take children and infants to compel a debtor to pay a debt, I really havent' seen that a lot in the USA. Not a kidnapping. I'm not saying it's impossible. Because it's always a possibility. I'm just thinking it improbable at this time. The taking of Bianca is the sole reason I have issue with the carjacking story. Car jackers want the property not the baby. IMHO they wouldn't want to have to tend, care for or in other words tend to a baby or child. JMHO.

Why not just abandon the car and leave Bianca in her car seat? Where do they have her stashed? Who's taking care of her (as another poster said Babysitting her).

This just isn't making sense to me at all. None of it. Is it possible that there was a car jacking? sure. Is it probable that a random carjacker took the car, drove it about a mile, abandoned it and took Bianca? Doesn't set well with me is all.

All JMHO