FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #15 - Page 11

Jazzmaster · #**251** 12-19-2011, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SmoothOperator

I really really wish that our member who is close friend to the victim Tileman's family(the lifeguard from Wet-n-Wild that Dale was convicted of charges relating to this man's stabbing death and violent beating of his friend whom he was with at the time of the murder).. I really wish the member was still posting as he had said some very relevant and pertinent information about the murder and those involved in it.. I really would like to hear more from him now that this case has been reported thoroughly in MSM therefor were are able to discuss such details whereas earlier in the case we were not..

It has never left the forefront of mind what he stated about Dale and that the crime was not one of a random nature at all(as some have purposed that it was just some drunk guys out looking for someone to fight and that they just "happened upon Tileman's and his friend.. That is not the case at all).. He stated that not only was it planned and that Tileman was the intended target of the stabbing but most importantly that Dale was the ringleader and it was he that intentionally targeted Tileman.. (**if you're still here would you please post more now that we are able to discuss the murder**)

As I said this has never left my mind and I cannot discount the "possibility" of this not being a case where Dale just "snapped".. But rather that it was premeditated and planned.. I'm definitely NOT CLAIMING THAT THIS CERTAIN.. as I'm clearly stating it as a possibility and well.. If we are all truly looking at all the possibilities as some say then this, too is very much still on the table of possibilities..that possibly there was some planning and/or premeditation involved in Michelle's disappearance..

I'm not sold by any means on that being the case but it is still in my mind and has never left or been discounted by any proof or evidence to date.. If anything in knowing that the Tileman murder quite possibly involved premeditation it certainly gives cause that it's not out of the realm of possibilities here in Michelle's case..

All jmo, tho!

I have said all along that I believe this was premeditated all the way. If he just snapped I am not sure he could pull together all these pieces (discarding body, coordinating alibi, getting rid of hummer, no DNA that we know of). This seems way too calculated. I think we would have seen an arrest by now if this was him snapping and creating a cover up plan after the fact. *I am so frustrated that justice has not been served.*

Kateyes · #**252** 12-19-2011, 11:29 PM

SmoothOperator-I just posted a link to a story from ClickOrlando, which is Powered by WKMG. Hope this helps with the info you wanted.

Jazzmaster · #**253** 12-19-2011, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cblewife

It's quite telling to know I just logged on within the hour and have already caught up from last night. I've barely heard Michelle's name on the news today. Apparently no one has any new info to share.

I was hopeful that silence was a good thing and that an arrest was imminent. Now it's either the trails are ice cold or they truly are about to break the case open. I lean more toward ice at this point...

SmoothOperator · #**254** 12-20-2011, 12:14 AM

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I would like to know why some folks feel that Dale, Sr. is part of either helping Dale with disposing of Michelle, or throwing the cellphone in the river or coming to pick up the children, or driving one of the vehicles or picking up Dale at the parking lot?

Is it because of a 20 second spot on TV when Dale Sr. stated Dale was there the entire time of Michelle's disappearance?

Dale Sr., was inserted before the raid, and before the custody hearing and I am just plain curious.

I can't imagine my son calling me to help him dispose of a body, or driving a vehicle of his girlfriends to help him leave it in a parking lot, or ask me to throw a cellphone in a river, etc., etc.

I couldn't imagine my brother calling our father for help in any form with regards to covering up a murder. Heck, my father would have probably murdered my brother if he knew my brother did something like that. My father was really "old-school" and strict and arrogant like Dale, Sr.

Some that may have had some thoughts on Sr and/or *possibly* being suspicious of him definitely were NOT just thoughts pulled out of thin air.. IOW Sr was in no way targeted early on.. But I'll give a perfect example of why suspicion seemed to be around the man.. His going on national television and making a statement of "his son was with him the whole time she was supposedly missing".. now I'm quite certain some will argue that the statement isn't odd, strange, *suspicious*.. To each their own, but to a good majority the statement is odd and does make ya scratch your head a bit at what and how the man states this giving his 40yr old son an alibi for the entirety of Michelle "supposedly" missing.. It alone and by itself does not lead to the conclusion of being suspicious of his being involved in the disappearance of Michelle.. It alone was just plain odd..*

Naa.. That's not what lead to there being real suspicion of Sr.. Nope that occurred very soon there after when LE/SWAT TEAM, fully armed with guns drawn, flash bangs ignited, tear gas emitted, and the door literally busted from it's hinges as they executed a judicially issued search warrant of Dale Sr.'s main residence and property.. Also in tow were cadaver dogs used within the execution of that warrant..*

Unlike how some have stated this was done with no good reason however the factual, truth of the matter could not be farther from "no good reason".. In fact LE had upon them a burden of proof that must meet the threshold of warranting a judge to issue and sign the document allowing LE to execute this search warrant, in this manner, on Dale Smith Sr.'s home.. Also having the burden of proof on them to prove there are valid grounds for their having cadaver dogs brought to the scene and used during the execution of this warrant..
This waaaaaay far exceeds invalid claims of "no good reason" and shows in fact there must be evidence presented to the judge to warrant their searching and using extremely "hard entry" onto said property and abode.

I know for me personally it was this event that forced me to take notice of Dale Sr and with that the question of could it be possible that this man had either or both of the following:
-Direct role in the disappearance(likely murder) and disposal of Michelle Parker.. As well as *direct role after-the-fact covering up that murder..
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-Does he have knowledge of any of the ^above^ and/or gave himself as an alibi for the times in which any of the ^above^ occurred.

Those are very legit and appropriate questions that come to many people's minds when seeing such a develop unfold in a case.. IOW there isnt even so much as a hint of a witch hunt going on where either of the Smith males are concerned, nor are there being giant leaps taken in drawing these ^above^ detailed conclusions as very real questions are warranted when such suspicious and some even quite telling developments have occurred in this case.

I personally did not read posts that were right off the bat(when the case first hit the media) calling for Sr.'s head and claiming he had a hand in killing and disposing of Michelle.. It was his strange/odd statement he made on national tv with his "supposedly Michelle was missing" comments that made me, personally say to myself that's a strange way of putting it.. But I, personally had no further thoughts at that time about Sr or his involvement.. Again, that came very soon thereafter with the extremely "hard entry" search warrant executed.. Only then did I conclude that it was very possible that this man may have either involvement or direct knowledge of the obvious murder/disposal of Michelle Parker.. There's no jumping to conclusions going on here where Sr is concerned.. The suspicion is warranted and there is good reason for it.. It's not inappropriate, nor is "closed-minded".. It's using everyday common sense and drawing a logical conclusion.. No rocket science necessary.. But it is based on facts and not emotion or gut instinct..*

As always to each their own but there definitely is not any unfair suspicions where Dale Wayne Smith Sr is concerned and definitely not where his son is concerned..

As always tho this is jmo!!

Sin City · #**255** 12-20-2011, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jazzmaster

I have said all along that I believe this was premeditated all the way. If he just snapped I am not sure he could pull together all these pieces (discarding body, coordinating alibi, getting rid of hummer, no DNA that we know of). This seems way too calculated. I think we would have seen an arrest by now if this was him snapping and creating a cover up plan after the fact. *I am so frustrated that justice has not been served.*

I totally agree with you on the premeditation. I believe this was planned months in advance, and that the father was involved. I believe the father went home with DS to his condo, and father was already there when MP arrived. IMO MP was killed there at the condo, and each man drove one of the vehicles. One dropped off kids at grandparents home in the F150, and then met up with the other who had the H3 & MP. IMO both their cell phones were left at grandparent's home, so the ping shows that location the entire time. Possibly the men had throw-away cells. Either one or both of them dumped body. DS dumped MP's iphone, as no doubt he listened to her messages & read her texts. Maybe dumping it over the bridge was done on impulse, because he was mad at what he read. Not sure it was meant to be dumped there.

I believe there was even enough time to drive 30 minutes outside of location the Hummer was dumped at, and still be back to grandmother's home by 8P to call MP's mother back. I don't know when he returned this call to MP's mother.

I believe he/they were thinking no body, no murder charges. And, that they planned to hide MP well. IMO DS isn't afraid of prison....he's already been in the brig once. We don't know all of DS's father's past criminal record. If one were to pull up my stepfather's record one wouldn't see much online. However, LE would find the extensive criminal record dating back to the early 60s. Including a murder, prison time, and the shooting of three others. Just saying it is possible that DS's father has more of a past than we are aware of.

Plus, what else did DS have time to do while in the brig, but think. He could have been thinking of how to take care of his wife when he got out of the brig. He could have already had some of this current crime already created in his mind-is what I'm getting at.

Farfalla40 · #**256** 12-20-2011, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SmoothOperator

Thanks so much farfalla.. And I apologize about misstating his name I should have searched for an article to make certain, as I don't want to appear as tho I'm being insensitive in my not even being able to correctly state or spell the victim's name.

Would you mind telling again some of the details about your friends family member who was murdered(particularly where Dale is concerned as I find it could be pertinent to Michelle's case possibly).. I don't want to put erroneous info out there about it from just my recalling your early posts..

Thanks so much for replying

No worries & no need to apologize, Smooth, you didn't appear that way at all, was just clarifying in case you weren't returning any results if you were searching the wrong name? I'm a "she" btw, lol, & I wasn't sure if the poster that you were indeed referring to in your original post was me?
Now that it's come out in the MSM, I don't think that there's much more than I can add to the story that hasn't already been said, aside from the personal feelings & opinions about what happened told to me by my friend (we'll call her NT for ID purposes). Will reach out to her today & see if she has any more info that she can share, I DO know that the details of the 92 incident coming back to light have reopened some old wounds with the family, but will see what else that I can find out today, as well as figure out how to repost what I had intially reposted about it all...HTH

tezi · #**257** 12-20-2011, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by tehcloser

Have I told you lately.............I heart you.

Yeppers, teh you have! LOL I heart you too!

PS...I'll see you "on the other side," IOW, on Friday or Saturday.....LOL

SwampMama · #**258** 12-20-2011, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Eefive

Side scan or Structure Scan sonar is readily available, and easy to use with a little practice. Considering the number of bass fishermen in the Orlando area, I am sure there is access to the technology if the searchers want. In fact I would be surprised that LE doesnt already have it.

We use very high tech sonar on our body recoveries that take place here in Louisiana. Mr Swamp know a company that owns the very expensive equipment and they have always been kind enough to donate the use of the equipment along with a few of their employees to work it, since they know how to do it. We are all volunteer so we could never afford it in our tiny town.

Many of the waterways here are murky and have alligators. One recovery mission brought the divers face to face with catfish that were huge, as big as the divers or bigger.

The sonar is also helpful in letting them be aware of the presence of large alligator or giant catfish lurking about.

tezi · #**259** 12-20-2011, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Patty G
I would like to know why some folks feel that Dale, Sr. is part of either helping Dale with disposing of Michelle, or throwing the cellphone in the river or coming to pick up the children, or driving one of the vehicles or picking up Dale at the parking lot?

Is it because of a 20 second spot on TV when Dale Sr. stated Dale was there the entire time of Michelle's disappearance?

Dale Sr., was inserted before the raid, and before the custody hearing and I am just plain curious.

I can't imagine my son calling me to help him dispose of a body, or driving a vehicle of his girlfriends to help him leave it in a parking lot, or ask me to throw a cellphone in a river, etc., etc.

I couldn't imagine my brother calling our father for help in any form with regards to covering up a murder. Heck, my father would have probably murdered my brother if he knew my brother did something like that. My father was really "old-school" and strict and arrogant like Dale, Sr.

BBM

<modsnip> My ex's mother would have murdered for one of her "boys," just to keep their sorry azzes out of a sling. And there are more parents just like her out there, consider yourself fortunate you apparently have never met them.

<modsnip> What I am trying to get across is sometimes LE is spot on with their accusations. And folks need to understand that LE has way MORE info than they are sharing with the public at this point. So, I just have to believe they know what they are doing, and I will content to let them do whatever that is.

SwampMama · #**260** 12-20-2011, 08:35 AM

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BBM at the very least it is assault (if Florida has assault), if not battery

ETA Florida does have assault
784.011 Assault.--

(1) An "assault" is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.

(2) Whoever commits an assault shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

and Battery

784.03 Battery; felony battery.--

(1)(a) The offense of battery occurs when a person:

1. Actually and intentionally touches or strikes another person against the will of the other; or

2. Intentionally causes bodily harm to another person.

(b) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person who commits battery commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

(2) A person who has one prior conviction for battery, aggravated battery, or felony battery and who commits any second or subsequent battery commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. For purposes of this subsection, "conviction" means a determination of guilt that is the result of a plea or a trial, regardless of whether adjudication is withheld or a plea of nolo contendere is entered.

So it looks like JR. could be charged with felony battery

So DS has a conviction from the death of the man that he and those younger guys participated in, is that a felony?

Does he have any other felonies?

I think the report should press charges and hopefully it would be a felony.

Then hopefully he will be charged with something in Michelle's case (or even something unrelated) that would be a felony. Wouldn't that make 3 strikes and he would be subject to the 3 strikes rule and be given a lengthy sentence.

If they can't get him for Michelle's murder then I want to see this happen. That reporter would be helping Michelle's family by pressing charges.

I hope DS screws up again (and he will) and gets sent to prison for a loooooong time. Just like OJ who got cocky and really effed up by doing that robbery in the hotel.

Psychic Sleuth · #**261** 12-20-2011, 09:32 AM

If LE has so much, why has there been no arrest? Do you all think it's still going to happen?
It seems to me that things are way too quiet. Is Michelle just going to end up another unsolved missing person?

LittleBitty35 · #**262** 12-20-2011, 09:42 AM

I doubt this is related to Michelle's disappearance...but LE is conducting a "death investigation" at 1029 South Hiawasee Rd. Very little details are available.

Again I doubt this is connected to Michelle...but I am following it just in case.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,4612972.story

Very little is being updated on this story.

CuriousChloe · #**263** 12-20-2011, 09:45 AM

I am a long time lurker on this forum and first time poster. <mod snip>......I think Dale definitely has something to do with her missing.

I remember awhile back someone posted something about him putting a bunch of pictures online the day she went missing?.....of other men? Can someone please repost that link? I want to take a look and see what exactly he put online.

I apologize....I've just been going through all the posts and cannot find it anywhere. TYI

TexasLil · #**264** 12-20-2011, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CuriousChloe

I am a long time lurker on this forum and first time poster. <mod snip>......I think Dale definitely has something to do with her missing.

I remember awhile back someone posted something about him putting a bunch of pictures online the day she went missing?.....of other men? Can someone please repost that link? I want to take a look and see what exactly he put online.

I apologize....I've just been going through all the posts and cannot find it anywhere. TYI

captdj · #**265** 12-20-2011, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by StrayKat

I have always wondered if she didn't accidently leave her phone at his house and when her brother texted that he may have sent that reply text... then when she didn't come back on his way to his parents he chucked it in the river. IMO

OK was the text made while her phone was moving west in a direction toward DS2?? or was it made while in his condo??

I've been out of the country for a week without internet and have a lot of reading to do

But I feel so sad that here it is Christmas and Michelle's children are dealing with NOT having their mother there with them....and also that the twins are not living with their 11 year brother anymore.

CuriousChloe · #**266** 12-20-2011, 10:10 AM

Just thought of something......Dale didn't react when the press said they found Michelle in a lake (this was awhile back when he was going in to court for the custody hearing if I am mistaken please correct me)
Anyway, I thought it was odd how he didn't give a reaction AT ALL.......could this be because he knows she's NOT in a lake? Seems to me, if he placed the body in water....this comment by a reporter would have drawn some sort of reaction from him.

Just a thought.............It is crazy that they haven't found her yet. Still seems so unreal...

Skully · #**267** 12-20-2011, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by CuriousChloe

Just thought of something......Dale didn't react when the press said they found Michelle in a lake (this was awhile back when he was going in to court for the custody hearing if I am mistaken please correct me)
Anyway, I thought it was odd how he didn't give a reaction AT ALL.......could this be because he knows she's NOT in a lake? Seems to me, if he placed the body in water....this comment by a reporter would have drawn some sort of reaction from him.

Just a thought.............It is crazy that they haven't found her yet. Still seems so unreal...

Welcome Chloe,

<mod snip> I agree about him not putting her in water, I posted a few pages back that I think it was too much trouble and a risk to be seen near water or any where out in the open. I am guessing near woods, or someplace abandoned, or not easy to see a person at night. I think she will be found close to his condo too. Anyway, thanks for posting our prayers are with all of her friends and of course her family.

Patty G · #**268** 12-20-2011, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CuriousChloe

I am a long time lurker on this forum and first time poster. <mod snip>......I think Dale definitely has something to do with her missing.

I remember awhile back someone posted something about him putting a bunch of pictures online the day she went missing?.....of other men? Can someone please repost that link? I want to take a look and see what exactly he put online.

I apologize....I've just been going through all the posts and cannot find it anywhere. TYI

Welcome.

The pictures that members found posted online after Michelle went missing, IIRC, has nothing to do with Dale.

Patty G · #**269** 12-20-2011, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CuriousChloe

Just thought of something......Dale didn't react when the press said they found Michelle in a lake (this was awhile back when he was going in to court for the custody hearing if I am mistaken please correct me)
Anyway, I thought it was odd how he didn't give a reaction AT ALL.......could this be because he knows she's NOT in a lake? Seems to me, if he placed the body in water....this comment by a reporter would have drawn some sort of reaction from him.

Just a thought.............It is crazy that they haven't found her yet. Still seems so unreal...

I thought the reporter (Kathy Belich) was addressing the comment about Michelle being in the lake was to Dale, Sr.

CuriousChloe · #**270** 12-20-2011, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Patty G

I thought the reporter (Kathy Belich) was addressing the comment about Michelle being in the lake was to Dale, Sr.

Hi Patty, thank you for clarifying that about the pictures.....wasn't it him that put them online though? Are you sure they have nothing to do with her missing? Were they pictures of his freinds etc?

Also, I think you are correct about the comment being made to Sr........my memory is all juggled up these days! lol I still feel the same point would apply to him as well if he had something to do with it. She is the mother of his grandchildren......complete lack of emotion is a bit odd. I feel he knows where she is....

Thank you!! Big fan of your posts Patty G!

Patty G · #**271** 12-20-2011, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CuriousChloe

Hi Patty, thank you for clarifying that about the pictures.....wasn't it him that put them online though? Are you sure they have nothing to do with her missing? Were they pictures of his freinds etc?

Also, I think you are correct about the comment being made to Sr........my memory is all juggled up these days! lol I still feel the same point would apply to him as well if he had something to do with it. She is the mother of his grandchildren......complete lack of emotion is a bit odd. I feel he knows where she is....

Thank you!! Big fan of your posts Patty G!

Your welcome and thanks for following my posts.

From what was uncovered regarding the photos, it was not Dale that put the pictures online.

I did not look at the photos, but followed the posts and how the situation went down. It was clearly a mistake regarding these photos and I believe all reference to those photos were removed and the subject was closed regarding the photos.

IMO, the reporters where really taunting Dale, Sr., on his way back to his vehicle with his wife, and his reaction may not be want we want from him or from his wife.

Again, IMO, Kathy over-stepped the line when she said what she said about "Michelle body possibly being found in the lake" as she was clearly trying to get a reaction from Dale, Sr.

CuriousChloe · #**272** 12-20-2011, 11:08 AM

Ok, the picture thing makes sense now....that's why I couldn't find it anywhere! I appreciate the explanation.

I agree, Kathy did cross the line with that comment and different people react in different ways when put in a situation as stressful as a media bombardment.

This silence is killing me though.....seemed like everyone was on a roll and now it's so quiet.

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Originally Posted by Patty G

Your welcome and thanks for following my posts.

From what was uncovered regarding the photos, it was not Dale that put the pictures online.

I did not look at the photos, but followed the posts and how the situation went down. It was clearly a mistake regarding these photos and I believe all reference to those photos were removed and the subject was closed regarding the photos.

IMO, the reporters where really taunting Dale, Sr., on his way back to his vehicle with his wife, and his reaction may not be want we want from him or from his wife.

Again, IMO, Kathy over-stepped the line when she said what she said about "Michelle body possibly being found in the lake" as she was clearly trying to get a reaction from Dale, Sr.

Kamille · #**273** 12-20-2011, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SmoothOperator

Some that may have had some thoughts on Sr and/or *possibly* being suspicious of him definitely were NOT just thoughts pulled out of thin air.. IOW Sr was in no way targeted early on.. But I'll give a perfect example of why suspicion seemed to be around the man.. His going on national television and making a statement of "his son was with him the whole time she was supposedly missing".. now I'm quite certain some will argue that the statement isn't odd, strange, *suspicious*.. To each their own, but to a good majority the statement is odd and does make ya scratch your head a bit at what and how the man states this giving his 40yr old son an alibi for the entirety of Michelle "supposedly" missing.. It alone and by itself does not lead to the conclusion of being suspicious of his being involved in the disappearance of Michelle.. It alone was just plain odd..*

Naa.. That's not what lead to there being real suspicion of Sr.. Nope that occurred very soon there after when LE/SWAT TEAM, fully armed with guns drawn, flash bangs ignited, tear gas emitted, and the door literally busted from it's hinges as they executed a judicially issued search warrant of Dale Sr.'s main residence and property.. Also in tow were cadaver dogs used within the execution of that warrant..*

Unlike how some have stated this was done with no good reason however the factual, truth of the matter could not be farther from "no good reason".. In fact LE had upon them a burden of proof that must meet the threshold of warranting a judge to issue and sign the document allowing LE to execute this search warrant, in this manner, on Dale Smith Sr.'s home.. Also having the burden of proof on them to prove there are valid grounds for their having cadaver dogs brought to the scene and used during the execution of this warrant..
This waaaaaay far exceeds invalid claims of "no good reason" and shows in fact there must be evidence presented to the judge to warrant their searching and using extremely "hard entry" onto said property and abode.

I know for me personally it was this event that forced me to take notice of Dale Sr and with that the question of could it be possible that this man had either or both of the following:
-Direct role in the disappearance(likely murder) and disposal of Michelle Parker.. As well as *direct role after-the-fact covering up that murder..
-OR-
-Does he have knowledge of any of the ^above^ and/or gave himself as an alibi for the times in which any of the ^above^ occurred.

Those are very legit and appropriate questions that come to many people's minds when seeing such a develop unfold in a case.. IOW there isnt even so much as a hint of a witch hunt going on where either of the Smith males are concerned, nor are there being giant leaps taken in drawing these ^above^ detailed conclusions as very real questions are warranted when such suspicious and some even quite telling developments have occurred in this case.

I personally did not read posts that were right off the bat(when the case first hit the media) calling for Sr.'s head and claiming he had a hand in killing and disposing of Michelle.. It was his strange/odd statement he made on national tv with his "supposedly Michelle was missing" comments that made me, personally say to myself that's a strange way of putting it.. But I, personally had no further thoughts at that time about Sr or his involvement.. Again, that came very soon thereafter with the extremely "hard entry" search warrant executed.. Only then did I conclude that it was very possible that this man may have either involvement or direct knowledge of the obvious murder/disposal of Michelle Parker.. There's no jumping to conclusions going on here where Sr is concerned.. The suspicion is warranted and there is good reason for it.. It's not inappropriate, nor is "closed-minded".. It's using everyday common sense and drawing a logical conclusion.. No rocket science necessary.. But it is based on facts and not emotion or gut instinct..*

As always to each their own but there definitely is not any unfair suspicions where Dale Wayne Smith Sr is concerned and definitely not where his son is concerned..

As always tho this is jmo!!

Excellent post Smooth. I, like you, came to the conclusion that DS Sr was likely somehow involved in pretty much the same way. The strange alibi comment and then the raid. I also see him as a sarcastic, and non caring individual when it comes to the subject of Michelle's disappearance. His smart azz comments after the raid, during the walk from the courthouse etc.

When I first heard the rumour on that radio show about him taking his boat out the day after Michelle went missing and LE were searching that lake possibly as a result of a tip that he was in that area with a boat, my first reaction, based on my opinion of him, was..."she's not in that lake, or any lake for that matter". He seems like someone who likes to play games and taking out that boat was just a diversionary game to him IMO.

It is odd to me that on the very next day that the mother of the children, who were in their care at the time, goes missing, the father of those children goes to "work" miles away and the grandfather goes out with his boat. Both men had likely already been questioned by LE at this point so they had to know the focus was on one or both of them. It seemed more like a look this way...no look that way type of scenario. Both of those men acted very peculiarily that day. For a reason IMO. To throw off the search for Michelle. To give LE some alternate thoughts and locations to look at rather than just the obvious, within a few miles of the crime scene. Question is...where is the crime scene? If the cadaver dogs have not hit on anything in either home or any vehicle or boat associated with either of them, was she still alive before meeting her fate wherever she may have been left?

For those that think this may have been premeditated, I can't help but think of the Summer Inman case. A young mother, killed by her ex and his parents because she dared to move on and seek custody of the children. A bumbling crime for sure with lots of errors and circumstantial evidence but the body would not ever have been found if not for the mother-in-law cracking under the pressure. And considering they killed her and disposed of her within minutes, no cadaver evidence was present either.

MOO

Kamille · #**274** 12-20-2011, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Patty G

Your welcome and thanks for following my posts.

From what was uncovered regarding the photos, it was not Dale that put the pictures online.

I did not look at the photos, but followed the posts and how the situation went down. It was clearly a mistake regarding these photos and I believe all reference to those photos were removed and the subject was closed regarding the photos.

IMO, the reporters where really taunting Dale, Sr., on his way back to his vehicle with his wife, and his reaction may not be want we want from him or from his wife.

Again, IMO, Kathy over-stepped the line when she said what she said about "Michelle body possibly being found in the lake" as she was clearly trying to get a reaction from Dale, Sr.

BBM

But you think she would have gotten a reaction from the grandfather of the children in his care if their mother was found in a lake. Why didn't she?

MOO

Patty G · #**275** 12-20-2011, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kamille

BBM

But you think she would have gotten a reaction from the grandfather of the children in his care if their mother was found in a lake. Why didn't she?

MOO

Not everyone is going to stop, turn around and face the reporters like George Anthony did when the media was hounding him about Caylee being in the back of Casey car as George and Cindy were going to visit Casey in jail.

I look at it this way, if the media tried to be more personable with the Smith, Sr. family, maybe they would have stopped and chatted with the reporters. IMO

If someone attacks me with words, I have two options, react by attacking back with words, or walk away.