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Old 01-07-2012, 11:17 AM
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I rarely post, but I would like to comment on Ayla's broken arm, and not being taken to the hospital for 24 hours. I broke my arm when I was in the 4th grade and it did not swell or show any signs of being broken (other than being sore) until the following day. My mother has felt guilty for the past 31 years that she did not know and did not take me to the hospital immediately. Unless a bone is obviously bent or protruding from the skin, it is often difficult to determine a break from a sprain or a bruise. Breaking a bone is really not that big of a deal, in my opinion. I personally feel that Ayla having a broken arm and then turning up missing is nothing but coincidence or bad timing. It is unfortunate that once something like this happens, the parents and others involved are put under a microscope and the public is allowed to dissect every single thing that they have ever done.
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Old 01-07-2012, 11:20 AM
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I may have missed some of his media appearances... Has he explained how it came about that TR says that Ayla wasn't taken into the ER for 24 hours after she broke her arm?

Never mind, I found it...
http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/i...012-01-06.html

So, his mother was home too and none of them had the common sense to have her checked when a big man fell on her on the stairs, and they wouldn't take her to ER because they didn't realize anything was wrong, and because Justin had paid for driving lessons.
When my daughter was six she turned he ankle at home in the living while watching ice skating on tv and attempting to manuever a spin on non-iced surface She complained it hurt but it didnt appear swollen etc so I figured fine. After school the next day the ankle was swollen so I took her to the ER and she had a hairline fracture ad required a splint for a few weeks. I felt horrible I hadn't taken her right away and even sent her to the school the next day. I am not a neglectful mother nor have I ever hurt my child. These things happen. Now guaranteed my child didn't turn up missing a few weeks later so I do understand why this its a question, but something like this in itself isn't a clear indication of something amiss.
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Old 01-07-2012, 11:23 AM
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"I walked out of my house to go down to the station to give statements, and all of a sudden we were homeless on top of everything else," recalled Phoebe DiPietro, the 21-month-old child's grandmother.


JMO ... but this statement from Ayla's GM stood out to me like a "red flag" !

HOMELESS ? You have got to be kidding, right ?

She has absolutely NO IDEA what it is like to be TRULY "homeless" ...

Good Grief ... they were temporarily "inconvenienced" while the home was "investigated" in order to help FIND THE MISSING CHILD !

WHAT is more important: a "temporary inconvenience" or your "comforts" when you have a child MISSING ?

JMO ... but it seemed that GM was MORE concerned about HER "comforts" and NOT being "inconvenienced" than finding the missing child ...

And one other thing I wish the reporter would have asked Ayla's GM :

DEFINE "on top of everything else" ...

Unbelievable ...

MOO MOO and MOO !!!
I'm sure the comment of "on top of everything else" was in reference to Ayla being missing.
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Old 01-07-2012, 11:27 AM
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I rarely post, but I would like to comment on Ayla's broken arm, and not being taken to the hospital for 24 hours. I broke my arm when I was in the 4th grade and it did not swell or show any signs of being broken (other than being sore) until the following day. My mother has felt guilty for the past 31 years that she did not know and did not take me to the hospital immediately. Unless a bone is obviously bent or protruding from the skin, it is often difficult to determine a break from a sprain or a bruise. Breaking a bone is really not that big of a deal, in my opinion. I personally feel that Ayla having a broken arm and then turning up missing is nothing but coincidence or bad timing. It is unfortunate that once something like this happens, the parents and others involved are put under a microscope and the public is allowed to dissect every single thing that they have ever done.
I agree. It's been 31 years for me too and I still feel awful about slipping on the ice and falling on my daughter and she was only a few months old and received the worst "egg" on her head! To this day I think about how dumb it was of me to have taken her out of her baby seat and carried her in...I should have carried the baby seat with her in it. Oh...and poor baby...on my first day home from the hospital I was holding her in one of those slippery one piece pjs (they used to make them real thin and slippery) and I pulled her bottle from the pan on the stove and felt her slipping and I took my hand with the bottle to hoist her upwards and the bottle touched her leg through the pj and she screamed bloody murder. I cried and cried and looked and it was red...but luckily went away after ointment. Oh my. I can remember this like yesterday!!
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Old 01-07-2012, 11:36 AM
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"I walked out of my house to go down to the station to give statements, and all of a sudden we were homeless on top of everything else," recalled Phoebe DiPietro, the 21-month-old child's grandmother.


JMO ... but this statement from Ayla's GM stood out to me like a "red flag" !

HOMELESS ? You have got to be kidding, right ?

She has absolutely NO IDEA what it is like to be TRULY "homeless" ...

Good Grief ... they were temporarily "inconvenienced" while the home was "investigated" in order to help FIND THE MISSING CHILD !

WHAT is more important: a "temporary inconvenience" or your "comforts" when you have a child MISSING ?

JMO ... but it seemed that GM was MORE concerned about HER "comforts" and NOT being "inconvenienced" than finding the missing child ...

And one other thing I wish the reporter would have asked Ayla's GM :

DEFINE "on top of everything else" ...

Unbelievable ...

MOO MOO and MOO !!!
I, personally, do not feel what the Grandmother said is a "red flag" for anything. I think that Phoebe was trying to describe all of the stresses that they were under during the first 2 weeks. They wake up to find this baby missing. Who knows if they actually got out of their pajamas that day before going down to the police station; then they were informed that they were no allowed back into their home. This is one more reason why they were not up to being interviewed; they were distraught over Ayla & hurt by all of the accusations; they were couch surfing without any of their own belongings. This family does not appear to have an exuberant amount of money to be able to go get a hotel room & buy themselves more clothes, necessities, etc. This didn't only displace Justin & his mother, but also Elisha & her baby. So this baby had to be in strange places without any of her own items, diapers, binkies, toys......I'm sorry, but that would be a completely stressful situation. Then they have the public scrutinizing every single word that they say. I feel very sorry for the loss that everyone is going through, as well as the public opinion that they face everywhere they turn.

These are completely my own feelings & opinion on this situation
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Old 01-07-2012, 11:37 AM
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During the most recent interview, there is a pack of ciggs and an ashtray on the coffee table for the poster who asked if there were smokers in the house. And, same experience for me when my son broke his arm.....thought it was a sprain so didn't go to have it checked til the next day after it happened. Broken. I felt like a total failure as a mom....that was 20 yrs. ago and I still feel bad about it!!
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Old 01-07-2012, 11:38 AM
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Sitting in her living room, steps away from Ayla's bedroom, DiPietro said she heard nothing while she slept that night. She wasn't the last one to go to bed that night and wasn't sure whether the doors were locked. She and her son suspect the child was abducted.

I'm not sure but maybe Ayla's bedroom is on the main floor next to the living room. JMO

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/07/justic...irl/index.html
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Old 01-07-2012, 11:41 AM
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During the most recent interview, there is a pack of ciggs and an ashtray on the coffee table for the poster who asked if there were smokers in the house. And, same experience for me when my son broke his arm.....thought it was a sprain so didn't go to have it checked til the next day after it happened. Broken. I felt like a total failure as a mom....that was 20 yrs. ago and I still feel bad about it!!
Good eye, thanks Amster. So I guess people weren't going in and out the door to smoke outside. JMO
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Old 01-07-2012, 11:43 AM
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I agree. It's been 31 years for me too and I still feel awful about slipping on the ice and falling on my daughter and she was only a few months old and received the worst "egg" on her head! To this day I think about how dumb it was of me to have taken her out of her baby seat and carried her in...I should have carried the baby seat with her in it. Oh...and poor baby...on my first day home from the hospital I was holding her in one of those slippery one piece pjs (they used to make them real thin and slippery) and I pulled her bottle from the pan on the stove and felt her slipping and I took my hand with the bottle to hoist her upwards and the bottle touched her leg through the pj and she screamed bloody murder. I cried and cried and looked and it was red...but luckily went away after ointment. Oh my. I can remember this like yesterday!!
LOL....I certainly do remember those sleepers! And, heating bottles on the stove. AND, all of the guilt that stays with a mom FOREVER!
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Old 01-07-2012, 11:46 AM
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Good eye, thanks Amster. So I guess people weren't going in and out the door to smoke outside. JMO
Doesn't look like it. Unless...they just started smoking inside since Ayla isn't there. But, isn't there another baby living there? OR, maybe the ciggs belonged to the reporter....but, I doubt it!
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Old 01-07-2012, 12:01 PM
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When my daughter was six she turned he ankle at home in the living while watching ice skating on tv and attempting to manuever a spin on non-iced surface She complained it hurt but it didnt appear swollen etc so I figured fine. After school the next day the ankle was swollen so I took her to the ER and she had a hairline fracture ad required a splint for a few weeks. I felt horrible I hadn't taken her right away and even sent her to the school the next day. I am not a neglectful mother nor have I ever hurt my child. These things happen. Now guaranteed my child didn't turn up missing a few weeks later so I do understand why this its a question, but something like this in itself isn't a clear indication of something amiss.
You're no doubt an excellent parent but I don't trust JDP's account.

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DiPietro, 24, said the accident occurred on a rainy night in November, but he's unsure of the exact date.
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"It was a dark and stormy night..." by Snoopy. There is no reason for him not to be sure of the exact date, he's been through this with the police enough to have covered when it happened. He knows when his last driving lessons were. LE have no doubt gotten the notes from the ER with the exact date of the ER visit on them and if they were thorough they asked his driving teacher for their schedule too. The exact date of the accident should be 24 hours before the ER visit and 24 hours before his last driving lesson. Not too hard to compute. That is, unless considerably longer than 24 hours elapsed between the accident and the ER visit.


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"I came up the stairs and slipped. It happened so fast, I don't know exactly how I fell on her, but I fell on her," he said. "It's burned into my brain."
What exactly is burned into his brain if he doesn't know what happened?
Usually people use this expression differently, if something is burned into their brain they mean that they will always remember exactly. He probably knows exactly how it happened imo.


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The next day, DiPietro left to attend a commercial driver's license course at Lawrence Adult Education in Fairfield. Before he left the driveway, however, Phoebe DiPietro called him back in into the house.

"When I came in, she showed me Ayla's hand and it was swollen," he said.

Ayla wasn't crying, Phoebe DiPietro said. So, the family weighed a decision.

"It was my last class," Justin DiPietro said. "I paid a fairly good amount of money for that."

DiPietro considered skipping class, but his mother advised against it.

"I was, like, 'We have to bring her to the emergency room,' and she said, 'Well, she's fine right now.'"

There is a disconnect here imo. You don't call someone back in from the driveway just because their child is fine. Her hand was swollen, she was not fine. I understand that the money spent on the driving lessons was a priority but was there any reason his mom or whoever else was looking after Ayla while he was taking the driving lessons could not have taken Ayla to ER after noticing that the hand was swollen?

On top of that, she was also unable to lift, bend and use her arm. But she was OK and didn't need the ER.

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DiPietro said Ayla's arm was healing well in the days before she disappeared.

"Her arm was to the point now, before all this happened, that she was lifting it up. She wasn't bending it, but she would take (the splint) off sometimes, and she was getting to the point where she was starting to use that arm again," he said.
FWIW when I broke my arm it was just the tiniest hairline fracture that healed in two weeks or so but it hurt like hello right away and I was unable to use it immediately.

I don't think this is the whole truth and nothing but the truth about how Ayla broke her arm but of course it doesn't mean he knows what happened to Ayla later.
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Old 01-07-2012, 12:38 PM
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I was in a car accident a while back. Right after the accident, my wrists hurt from grabbing the steering wheel tightly. My doctor gave me xrays on my wrists. He asked me when did I break my wrist. I told him I never broke my wrist. He said "Oh yes you did" and showed me where the fracture was and that it was an old fracture. I never knew it.

It's possible people.
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Old 01-07-2012, 12:41 PM
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I, personally, do not feel what the Grandmother said is a "red flag" for anything. I think that Phoebe was trying to describe all of the stresses that they were under during the first 2 weeks. They wake up to find this baby missing. Who knows if they actually got out of their pajamas that day before going down to the police station; then they were informed that they were no allowed back into their home. This is one more reason why they were not up to being interviewed; they were distraught over Ayla & hurt by all of the accusations; they were couch surfing without any of their own belongings. This family does not appear to have an exuberant amount of money to be able to go get a hotel room & buy themselves more clothes, necessities, etc. This didn't only displace Justin & his mother, but also Elisha & her baby. So this baby had to be in strange places without any of her own items, diapers, binkies, toys......I'm sorry, but that would be a completely stressful situation. Then they have the public scrutinizing every single word that they say. I feel very sorry for the loss that everyone is going through, as well as the public opinion that they face everywhere they turn.

These are completely my own feelings & opinion on this situation
Thank you for saying this so well. Please understand that for some of us, just buying more diapers or pull ups may be a challenge if the budget is tight with Christmas. Plus buying toothbrushes, underwear, etc. Add that to the shock, fear, and trauma of a missing child who was obviously loved. JMO
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Old 01-07-2012, 12:43 PM
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I was in a car accident a while back. Right after the accident, my wrists hurt from grabbing the steering wheel tightly. My doctor gave me xrays on my wrists. He asked me when did I break my wrist. I told him I never broke my wrist. He said "Oh yes you did" and showed me where the fracture was and that it was an old fracture. I never knew it.

It's possible people.
I expect you would have known you broke it if you had been unable to use your hand.
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I expect you would have known you broke it if you had been unable to use your hand.
Yes, of course. We don't know how severe Ayla's injury was though.
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Old 01-07-2012, 12:49 PM
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Yes, of course. We don't know how severe Ayla's injury was though.
It was severe enough to make her unable to bend, lift or use her arm for some time, according to her father.
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You're no doubt an excellent parent but I don't trust JDP's account.

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"It was a dark and stormy night..." by Snoopy. There is no reason for him not to be sure of the exact date, he's been through this with the police enough to have covered when it happened. He knows when his last driving lessons were. LE have no doubt gotten the notes from the ER with the exact date of the ER visit on them and if they were thorough they asked his driving teacher for their schedule too. The exact date of the accident should be 24 hours before the ER visit and 24 hours before his last driving lesson. Not too hard to compute. That is, unless considerably longer than 24 hours elapsed between the accident and the ER visit.




What exactly is burned into his brain if he doesn't know what happened?
Usually people use this expression differently, if something is burned into their brain they mean that they will always remember exactly. He probably knows exactly how it happened imo.





There is a disconnect here imo. You don't call someone back in from the driveway just because their child is fine. Her hand was swollen, she was not fine. I understand that the money spent on the driving lessons was a priority but was there any reason his mom or whoever else was looking after Ayla while he was taking the driving lessons could not have taken Ayla to ER after noticing that the hand was swollen?

On top of that, she was also unable to lift, bend and use her arm. But she was OK and didn't need the ER.



FWIW when I broke my arm it was just the tiniest hairline fracture that healed in two weeks or so but it hurt like hello right away and I was unable to use it immediately.

I don't think this is the whole truth and nothing but the truth about how Ayla broke her arm but of course it doesn't mean he knows what happened to Ayla later.

Oh my. We are talking about common people here, not medical experts. He was cleared by any wrong doing by the hospital and I think this entire conversation insinuating abuse should be put on the back burner. I'm pretty confident even after Ayla missing if the PD felt abuse occurred in the home they would not allow JD, or his mom, to move back to the home with the sister and baby in their presence.
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I expect you would have known you broke it if you had been unable to use your hand.
Again. My daughter could twist her wrist all around as we checked it and she didn't flinch. The next day when swelling and bruising is when we learned of the break and it was a severe break...one bone into the other. Children are more resilient than adults with bones.
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Ayla wasn't crying, Phoebe DiPietro said. So, the family weighed a decision.

"It was my last class," Justin DiPietro said. "I paid a fairly good amount of money for that."

DiPietro considered skipping class, but his mother advised against it.

"I was, like, 'We have to bring her to the emergency room,' and she said, 'Well, she's fine right now.'"


She was not in distress and he looked to his mom for her advice. One with experience. I see NOTHING that he did wrong.
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Old 01-07-2012, 12:58 PM
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We can agree to disagree. I think the account has flags in it, others don't, and that's fine.

For the record, I didn't say I thought abuse had occurred, I said I don't think it's the whole truth about how everything happened.

It could have been an accident and yet not be the whole truth.

I don't precisely understand why anybody who is concerned enough about a child's swollen hand to call another person in from the driveway would advise against going to the ER.
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I should also like to interject an opinion here regarding Trista, Ayla's mom. A lot of her feelings regarding her child and JD's care is going to have come from "in retrospect" opinion. In other words, had Ayla not gone missing/abducted...all that she felt about JD and Ayla's visits very well may have blown over. However, once she learned her baby was missing/abducted...all those thoughts of the bruises and broken arm and add to that a missing baby would make any mother cry foul play. However, we are not the mother...so for anyone to "add to that" in not knowing the inner dynamics of the household is unfair. Don't you think? Obviously Trista is a new mom of only 2 years...we all know from having multiple children how bruises are easily done by climbing on furniture, banging into things and everyone on here cannot really sit and say that NEVER did their child ever have an accident that mom or dad could have prevented. We all have had things happen.
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Ayla wasn't crying, Phoebe DiPietro said. So, the family weighed a decision.

"It was my last class," Justin DiPietro said. "I paid a fairly good amount of money for that."

DiPietro considered skipping class, but his mother advised against it.

"I was, like, 'We have to bring her to the emergency room,' and she said, 'Well, she's fine right now.'"


She was not in distress and he looked to his mom for her advice. One with experience. I see NOTHING that he did wrong.
A baby with a swollen hand needs medical attention.
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I rarely post, but I would like to comment on Ayla's broken arm, and not being taken to the hospital for 24 hours. I broke my arm when I was in the 4th grade and it did not swell or show any signs of being broken (other than being sore) until the following day. My mother has felt guilty for the past 31 years that she did not know and did not take me to the hospital immediately. Unless a bone is obviously bent or protruding from the skin, it is often difficult to determine a break from a sprain or a bruise. Breaking a bone is really not that big of a deal, in my opinion. I personally feel that Ayla having a broken arm and then turning up missing is nothing but coincidence or bad timing. It is unfortunate that once something like this happens, the parents and others involved are put under a microscope and the public is allowed to dissect every single thing that they have ever done.
I haven't posted in a while, taking a break after poor Caylee's denial of justice.

Anyway, when my daughter was 6 or 7 she was playing outside with her brother. She stood on the back of his tricycle while he rode. She fell off and landed a weird way on her wrist. She cried a little but had full range of movement. There was a little swelling, but not much. I iced it and kept an eye. The next day she seemed fine. Day after that fine as well. Third day she goes outside to play basketball and comes back in sobbing and holding her wrist. At that point we headed to the ER. They xray'd it and you could of blown me over with a feather when we found out it was broken. I sobbed in the ER, hugged my child, appologized up and down for not bringing her in sooner, and followed up with about $150 in guilt toys. LOL. I was comforted by the doctor actually who told me that her son had had an incident where he'd hurt his ankle. Seemed ok, she let him play in a soccer game, he came off the field in major pain, turns out his ankle was broken. My point in all of this is that it's not always apparent when there is a break.

My situation was completely innocent, and I'm a watchful caring Mom. She seemed ok. She is now 14 and a half and I still feel guilty.

I don't know what happened with Ayla. I don't think it was necessarily a dubious reason that her Dad waited to have her seen. Could very well have been, but didn't HAVE to be. That's all.

However, when looking at the entire picture with Ayla, her having the broken arm, missing her doctor appointments, then coming up missing....well that makes my hinky meter go off like crazy.

Had, God Forbid, my child gone missing after her break I would of been at the police station every second until she was found. Volunteering information, begging for leads, pleading for the return of my precious child.

I'm not seeing that here. Just sayin.
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We can agree to disagree. I think the account has flags in it, others don't, and that's fine.

For the record, I didn't say I thought abuse had occurred, I said I don't think it's the whole truth about how everything happened.

It could have been an accident and yet not be the whole truth.

All I know Donjeta is that I do not see any arrogance, no controlling behaviors, no narcissistic personality traits, no avoidance (outside of compromising the investigation), no history of arrests, no history of restraining orders, abuse, assaults...I see a young mom who obviously had enough trust in her ex to allow him to have Ayla while she went for treatment that I cannot for a moment "convict" him of something because he lived in the home where the child went missing. For all we know (*Hypothetical for example purposes only) his sister could be a psycho and killed Ayla as she was jealous of the attention given to her over her own child. Point is...we do not know...and from all accounts thus far, I believe JD does not know either.
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All I know Donjeta is that I do not see any arrogance, no controlling behaviors, no narcissistic personality traits, no avoidance (outside of compromising the investigation), no history of arrests, no history of restraining orders, abuse, assaults...I see a young mom who obviously had enough trust in her ex to allow him to have Ayla while she went for treatment that I cannot for a moment "convict" him of something because he lived in the home where the child went missing. For all we know (*Hypothetical for example purposes only) his sister could be a psycho and killed Ayla as she was jealous of the attention given to her over her own child. Point is...we do not know...and from all accounts thus far, I believe JD does not know either.
I did not say that I see arrogance, controlling behaviors, narcissistic personality traits, avoidance, history of arrests, history of restraining orders, abuse, assaults.
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