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Old 02-17-2012, 08:40 PM
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Charlie said this:

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"You dig a hole, put the bear in the hole, throw rocks on the bear, cover the hole, and then you plant a tree so no one will know where you buried the bear," Charlie said, according to documents.
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"Then you plant raspberry bushes over the bear because it makes the best-tasting raspberries."
I'm wondering if whoever coached Charlie with this story may have been symbolically referring to this type of, in your face, raspberry as being the best?

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Old 02-17-2012, 08:46 PM
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Well... if there was ever a doubt in anyone mind as to exactly where Josh Powell is for all eternity, this information should certainly remove it. What an evil, evil, vile, pathetic piece of human flesh he was!

Rest in peace Charlie & Braden...there really was a monster, he just wasn't under the bed or in the closet, he was your daddy.
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Old 02-17-2012, 08:47 PM
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In a September 22 report, DSHS workers comment on the amount of pornography found in Steven Powell's room, noting some of it was child pornography. Workers said Josh Powell "cannot be excluded from being involved" because he works with computers and some of the images are "sophisticated."

The next day, Steven Powell pleaded not guilty to child pornography and voyeurism charges in Pierce County court. During a DSHS interview with Josh Powell that day, Josh said it was likely that his father's obsession with Susan Powell, Josh's missing wife, was likely to come out.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/DSHS...139542398.html
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Old 02-17-2012, 08:48 PM
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This is beyond sad. I can see cute little Charlie in my mind, and to think of him saying these horrific things just is hard to imagine, but I know it's true because of the evil in his life. I'm beyond disturbed by this. I cannot BELIEVE Josh was allowed visitation at all! Wow.
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Old 02-17-2012, 08:51 PM
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I want them to release it all. I want to know if everything the boys were saying was getting back to Josh.
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:03 PM
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I want them to release it all. I want to know if everything the boys were saying was getting back to Josh.
I want to know if it got back to the Judge.

I guess I'm standing under Kimster's armpit on the mad meter.

...Wouldn't you think, during the course of the custody hearing, Josh's lawyer would be provided with some of this info - so he could defend Josh?
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:03 PM
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Was Charile in first or second grade this year? Trying to figure out if these incidents were from now or last year...

ETA: I see the one date of June 2011. I don't know this case inside out like I did Caylee's since I followed that closely from jump street
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:07 PM
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@jenniferstagg @KSL5TV Will you please release them all in a Pdf. file.

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@drfessel @KSL5TV We will work on it, but it's a huge huge stack.
I just suggested she talk with Bob Kealing....
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:13 PM
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Another article.
Cartoon characters, rug rats, spongebob, etc having sex. These were to show the kids weren't they?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46433680...me_and_courts/
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:19 PM
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Why would Utah keep these documents from the WA officials for 2 years?
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:22 PM
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Why would Utah keep these documents from the WA officials for 2 years?
Omg this is just sick and wrong that someone has known for two years and did not share it with the people who were in charge of the boys wellbeing. I don't understand. I don't think I will ever understand that decision.
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:23 PM
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Omg this is just sick and wrong that someone has known for two years and did not share it with the people who were in charge of the boys wellbeing. I don't understand. I don't think I will ever understand that decision.
I just can't comprehend ANY reason.
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"No, not anymore. The Mormons killed my brother and my mom," Charlie said, according to the documents. "Yeah, itís just me and my dad." and

I am going to come to your house at night and kill you!
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Was jp trying to train Charlie that Braden would be killed ? by mormons? like his mom?
Hey, I am sorry but authorities knew this information and yet did NOTHING!!!!
Sorry but that is chilling! come to your house At NIGHT and KILL you?
Charlie was going to need allot of counseling being with this monster!
Here's what I'm seeing. The psychologist who evaluated the coward knew of ALL the bizarre statements from the kids and the coward's alienation of his kids from their dead mom and her parents. Despite this, he recommended on-going supervised visits AND eventual reunification. So, he was looking at returning custody of two little boys to the man who obviously murdered their mother. Obviously.

Then, he gets wind of 400 graphic images of child porn-type depictions. He realizes he may have been fooled about the coward's sexual proclivities. he then recommends a psycho-sexual eval and on-going supervised visits until that is completed. http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2012/0...#storylink=cpy

Huge problems for me for several reasons. First, the obvious fact that the coward murdered his wife was ignored by the psychologist. He seemed to have even ignored the possibility that he murdered his wife. Someone who murders their spouse should NEVER have custody as spouse-murderers are just a hop skip and a jump away from killing their kids. LE knows this, policies in California Family law reflect that, why wouldn't a psychologist understand that?

Second, barring the psychologist's clear error in ignoring the possibility that the coward murdered his wife and is thus a danger to the kids, he was flat fooled by this charming murderer. "A good father." yeah, right.
Third, after the psych was forced to reevaluate his position upon reviewing the porn, he doesn't recommend halting supervised visits? Or making sure they are seriously restricted?

So many things went wrong in this case. So many things that shouldn't have. These are not clerical errors or harmless lapses in judgment. These are people's lives.
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One question. Some articles say the images weren't turned over in 2009 but In January they were, sounding like 2010. I was under the impression it was Nov. 2011 not turned over until January 2012. In Nov. 2011 it was 5 to 6 images which turned out to be 400 per the psychologist?
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It's beyond fathoming to me that a psychologist, knowing that a child was fantasizing his brother's death, had a missing mom, expressing hatred for people he knew nothing about, and talking about how to bury animals completely out of context could be said to be being raised by "a fit parent" who "can and will provide everything [the children] need to be happy, healthy and well cared for."

MIND-BOGGLING! EPIC FAIL! Should be fired!
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I find it remarkable how Josh and his dad kept going on and on and on about how "sexual" Susan was. Between the porn all over SP's bedroom and computer and the voyeurism, and Josh's own computer porn, it sounds like there was a lot of projecting going on. Kind of like the rapist who thinks all women want and enjoy being raped.
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This article has the entire psychologist report at the bottom. 34 pages
http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime...well-released/
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I find it remarkable how Josh and his dad kept going on and on and on about how "sexual" Susan was. Between the porn all over SP's bedroom and computer and the voyeurism, and Josh's own computer porn, it sounds like there was a lot of projecting going on. Kind of like the rapist who thinks all women want and enjoy being raped.
This is classic pedophile-speak. Pedophiles frequently say that children were "enticing" them and that children "enjoy" the sex, that they "act seductively." Everything SP said about Susan is something that I have read or heard come out of the mouth of a pedophile.
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One question. Some articles say the images weren't turned over in 2009 but In January they were, sounding like 2010. I was under the impression it was Nov. 2011 not turned over until January 2012. In Nov. 2011 it was 5 to 6 images which turned out to be 400 per the psychologist?
They were found in 2009 by WVPD in Utah, they told WA about them in Nov 2011 and showed them to WA Jan 2012. I wonder if WVPD thought 5 or 6 dealt with incest that they thought were the most important?
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One question. Some articles say the images weren't turned over in 2009 but In January they were, sounding like 2010. I was under the impression it was Nov. 2011 not turned over until January 2012. In Nov. 2011 it was 5 to 6 images which turned out to be 400 per the psychologist?

Josh Powell had hundreds of images of disturbing cartoon sex and graphic depictions of incest on his home computer, something Utah authorities investigating his wife's disappearance kept private for about two years.
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Washington officials overseeing the care of Powell's children first got word of the graphic content in November (2011 added by Me), when a Utah investigator wrote in an email that they were looking to disclose to social workers about 5-6 images recovered in 2009 shortly after Susan Powell's disappearance.

But two months later, social worker Forest Jacobson wrote that the images weren't received until mid-January (of 2012 added by Me) and told the psychologist "it is now clear there are many more images than initially indicated."


Thus my asking: Why were the Utah officials keeping this secret until NOW?
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They were found in 2009 by WVPD in Utah, they told WA about them in Nov 2011 and showed them to WA Jan 2012. I wonder if WVPD thought 5 or 6 dealt with incest that they thought were the most important?
By email even. WTH is the matter with WVPD? I'm missing something here because I can't think of a reason to keep this PRIVATE.

ETA: I need to leave because I'm turning into a horny toad and spitting blood I'm so angry.
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Why indeed.

Why indeed.

Two years those boys were living with him and UT knew.
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Josh Powell had hundreds of images of disturbing cartoon sex and graphic depictions of incest on his home computer, something Utah authorities investigating his wife's disappearance kept private for about two years, according to files released Friday

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/17...#ixzz1mhMk0yCu
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I think the public has a right to be appalled and angry with Utah LE right now...I understand that Mr. Cox doesn't want that, but what went wrong that resulted in the deaths of these children could have been avoided and wasn't handled properly, in my opinion. I have a feeling there will be a lot of outrage.
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This article has the entire psychologist report at the bottom. 34 pages
http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime...well-released/
How old is Alina Powell?
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