TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #32

[Carla Lashelle]

Originally Posted by Limaes

I feel that KB was aware of something going on prior as well. I also wonder if one reason they haven't released the 911 tapes is because when KB rang them she named someone (not DS).

There are countless cases where the family and or law enforcment has talked about people being named in cases so I doubt that this case is any different. If someone suspected someone they would just say it. I can think of a dozen recent/current cases where friends, family and cops have finger pointed with , perhaps, little direct evidence.

[MCDRAW]

Originally Posted by OldSteve

Like you, I wondered about how did so many hear about Holly going missing and arrive so quickly on the scene... IIRC I might have mentioned that perhaps the perp(s) was somehow involved in this - getting lots of people so that the crime scene gets overrun, messing up doing things in an organized matter. Reminiscent of what happened with so many people in the Ramsey home...

My brother passed away two weeks ago unexpectedly. I live 20 minutes from my mother. When I got there there was probably 50 or more people there. I remember looking at my brother and saying how did they find out. But that is how small towns work.

[shefner]

Originally Posted by MCDRAW

My brother passed away two weeks ago unexpectedly. I live 20 minutes from my mother. When I got there there was probably 50 or more people there. I remember looking at my brother and saying how did they find out. But that is how small towns work.

So sorry about your brother, MCDRAW.

Yes...small towns are amazing that way....

[Limaes]

Originally Posted by Carla Lashelle

There are countless cases where the family and or law enforcment has talked about people being named in cases so I doubt that this case is any different. If someone suspected someone they would just say it. I can think of a dozen recent/current cases where friends, family and cops have finger pointed with , perhaps, little direct evidence.

And sometimes, people who have knowledge of a crime have been known to fingerpoint so as to deflect attention away from what really happened. Especially when making a 911 call.

[Limaes]

Originally Posted by cluciano63

Usually it has to be a very active case with lots of new info...lol

It is active here and on other sites.

[cluciano63]

Originally Posted by Limaes

It is active here and on other sites.

Active as far as media and LE, I meant. With lots of new articles and press conferences, and new things to discuss. Believe me, if there is anything new to discuss in this case, we are all ears, but also would be very surprised...I think just about everything one can imagine has been covered. JMO

[Limaes]

Originally Posted by cluciano63

Active as far as media and LE, I meant. With lots of new articles and press conferences, and new things to discuss. Believe me, if there is anything new to discuss in this case, we are all ears, but also would be very surprised...I think just about everything one can imagine has been covered. JMO

Yep, I understood what you meant hehe. What I mean is that it is still active on this site and even though nothing new is happening, there are still several aspects of this case that deserve their own thread, imo

[Carla Lashelle]

Originally Posted by Limaes

And sometimes, people who have knowledge of a crime have been known to fingerpoint so as to deflect attention away from what really happened. Especially when making a 911 call.

I doubt that is the case here but thats JMHO. Especially in the case here where there are independent callers like the neighbor (and who knows who else).

[Carla Lashelle]

Originally Posted by cluciano63

Active as far as media and LE, I meant. With lots of new articles and press conferences, and new things to discuss. Believe me, if there is anything new to discuss in this case, we are all ears, but also would be very surprised...I think just about everything one can imagine has been covered. JMO

Yup so true. Unfortunately I think a lot of the current "activity" borders on the realm of fantasy. People can really stretch looking for something or just making something up due to the lack of details and evidence in the case. I think all the productive work was done months ago. You can only look at the same scarce bit of info so long and you either 1) have made your estimation of what happened or 2) start to see thats that are not there. Like staring at a bowl of spaghetti and seeing Jesus' face. People see what they want to see in many cases, based on their own personalities, personal experiences, etc.

[Limaes]

Originally Posted by Carla Lashelle

I doubt that is the case here but thats JMHO. Especially in the case here where there are independent callers like the neighbor (and who knows who else).

Do you have a source that states that the neighbour was one of the 911 callers?

[houndstooth]

I've had the sense for awhile that the people involved in this case knew there would be a bit of renewed interest around the one year mark, and then it would be "over" for all intents and purposes. That's just my perception. The long overdue AMW "reenactment" to be the last word, so to speak in many people's minds, who didn't closely follow the case, will leave them with a skewed view of those events.

What happens from here on out?
Some out of the blue mounted search by an out of state team again? Doubt it.
An update from the TBI on where the case currently stands? Doubt it.
The announcement the family is hiring a crack team of private investigators? Doubt it.

Over and under bets on when or what the next "news story" on this case will entail?

[houndstooth]

Originally Posted by Limaes

Do you have a source that states that the neighbour was one of the 911 callers?

I don't have the citation for it, but I seem to recall there being a news story stating she called the Sheriff personally.
She would not have been counted as one of the 911 per se.

Mom claims to have made two. One to Henderson Co. One to Decatur Co.
( She wanted to be sure it got to the "right" people" ).

Clint has been stated in various articles as to when he made his call.
I once recall reading he went outside to the driveway and saw blood beside Holly's car and immediately ran back inside and callled 911.
Other accounts say that he was walking towards the woods carrying his cellphone dialing when a neighbor pulls up.
How or why there should be such a wide range of circumstances during his call told to media is beyond me.

[Limaes]

Originally Posted by houndstooth

I don't have the citation for it, but I seem to recall there being a news story stating she called the Sheriff personally.
She would not have been counted as one of the 911 per se.

Mom claims to have made two. One to Henderson Co. One to Decatur Co.
( She wanted to be sure it got to the "right" people" ).

Clint has been stated in various articles as to when he made his call.
I once recall reading he went outside to the driveway and saw blood beside Holly's car and immediately ran back inside and callled 911.
Other accounts say that he was walking towards the woods carrying his cellphone dialing when a neighbor pulls up.
How or why there should be such a wide range of circumstances during his call told to media is beyond me.

Thank you I didn't think she called 911. I did see somewhere that Kristin Helm said she wouldn't comment on who made the second 911 call but wasn't aware of a 911 call from their neighbour.

[houndstooth]

Originally Posted by Limaes

Thank you I didn't think she called 911. I did see somewhere that Kristin Helm said she wouldn't comment on who made the second 911 call but wasn't aware of a 911 call from their neighbour.

Your welcome.
It does make you wish you could have been privy to the call to the Sheriff, eh what? Something like this perhaps?

"Hello, Sheriff"?

Speaking.

"Yeah, um, my son told me he heard some yelling from my neighbors house"!

Did you hear it?

"Uh, no, but could you send the entire force over to their house immediately"?

Sure. They're enroute now. Sounds like an emergency situation.

"Sheriff it's about 7:30 now, my son won't actually hear this for another 10 minutes. You're still coming right?"



I swear I don't get this case, at all.

[Limaes]

Originally Posted by houndstooth

Your welcome.
It does make you wish you could have been privy to the call to the Sheriff, eh what? Something like this perhaps?

"Hello, Sheriff"?

Speaking.

"Yeah, um, my son told me he heard some yelling from my neighbors house"!

Did you hear it?

"Uh, no, but could you send the entire force over to their house immediately"?

Sure. They're enroute now. Sounds like an emergency situation.

"Sheriff it's about 7:30 now, my son won't actually hear this for another 10 minutes. You're still coming right?"



I swear I don't get this case, at all.

haha... me neither! One minute I feel that someone VERY close to her is responsible, then the next minute I feel that is was an aquaintance.

Also I get distracted by other poster's opinions. Anyways as long as people are still talking about her rather than letting it go away

[Kaybug]

I don't like the brother's storyline. Can I say exactly why? No. It's a feeling I have and have had all along. Can I explain it? No, it's hard to put into words.

[houndstooth]

Originally Posted by Limaes

haha... me neither! One minute I feel that someone VERY close to her is responsible, then the next minute I feel that is was an aquaintance.

Also I get distracted by other poster's opinions. Anyways as long as people are still talking about her rather than letting it go away

My question has been...responsible for what?

But, I agree, in not letting it go just because I want the family to have to keep telling new versions of the story until someday someone in the media says, "Hey, wait a minute...?!"

Surprisingly, that hasn't happened yet no matter how many different versions of the story get told, or how crazyquilt nonsensical the ones out there now are.

[houndstooth]

Juxtapose this case with Sierra LaMar. She has been missing for 6 weeks.
LE is involved in searches. There are public organized searches a couple times a week.

In Holly's case, I think they MIGHT have searched a week and a half.
They had bad weather and searches were called off.
Easter came. People were thanked and sent away.
Searches by LE and the public ceased.

It did not and has not transitioned into a murder case.
It did not proceed as a missing persons case in any real sense.
It just...stopped.
Token search held in January notwithstanding; that was it's own little kerfuffle.

[OldSteve]

Originally Posted by houndstooth

I've had the sense for awhile that the people involved in this case knew there would be a bit of renewed interest around the one year mark, and then it would be "over" for all intents and purposes. That's just my perception. The long overdue AMW "reenactment" to be the last word, so to speak in many people's minds, who didn't closely follow the case, will leave them with a skewed view of those events.

What happens from here on out?Some out of the blue mounted search by an out of state team again? Doubt it.
An update from the TBI on where the case currently stands? Doubt it.
The announcement the family is hiring a crack team of private investigators? Doubt it.

Over and under bets on when or what the next "news story" on this case will entail?

BBM
I think if an a Discovery or Dateline show becomes involved there might be more disclosures made.... LE seems to open-up a bit to these people IMO..

[Carla Lashelle]

Originally Posted by Limaes

Do you have a source that states that the neighbour was one of the 911 callers?

Been talked about a jazillion times in the last year. There is even an interview with the Sheriff who described it all

[Carla Lashelle]

Originally Posted by Limaes

Thank you I didn't think she called 911. I did see somewhere that Kristin Helm said she wouldn't comment on who made the second 911 call but wasn't aware of a 911 call from their neighbour.

I forget how many 911 calls there are but there are more than 2. I think its somewhere between 4 and 6 various calls

[shefner]

The ending of the searches around Easter of last year were quite a shock to most of us here. We had just been told that searches were scheduled to continue. A series of spring storms had delayed some of the searches so we were being updated daily.

Then we heard that there was a phone call to Karen....then we heard it was a text. Then we heard that due to that contact, something was found (presumed to be Holly's cell phone). Then the searches were halted.

That whole weekend gave me the ebbie jeebies. I've rehearsed it often in my mind. What contact was made with Karen.....and how did that lead to the discovery....and how did that change the way this case has developed since that time?

[Oriah]

Bumping Holly's FBI sanctioned poster:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/view

Please note she is still on their most wanted missing persons list and listed as 'Kidnapped.'
NCMEC has Holly listed as "Missing"- however, also note that NCMEC made an exception for Holly to be listed, as she was over the age of 18 at the time she was abducted. NCMEC makes those exceptions using certain criteria- generally info LE has provided during the course of their investigation.

I'll take the FBI's 'take' on Holly's case over MSM or any other talking heads anyday.

I can't for the life of me figure why everyone seems to think searching for Holly has ended. Taken a different route? Passed to a different agency or agencies? Perhaps. But ended?

No way.

[Hatfield]

Originally Posted by Kaybug

I don't like the brother's storyline. Can I say exactly why? No. It's a feeling I have and have had all along. Can I explain it? No, it's hard to put into words.

IMO, the whole story has bothered me from the very beginning and I do know why I am bothered by it though. I have to summ up the reason the story is bothersome to me is due to the "lack of any real substance to help find her".

For me, it started bothering me right at the very beginning in that very first interview with the one parent and the Sheriff. I kept waiting for a plea to the abductor to let her go, and yet there was no direct plea to whoever supposedly had took her. I was really bothered by that because there was the chance to tell the perp to please let her go. After that, as time went on, I kept waiting for anyone to share some information to help find her, and it just got worse and worse for me from that point on.

When the description of the perp finally came out, I could not believe how incredibly "bland" it was. Person just happened to be dressed all in camo....Well, that didnt help much, did it. Then, as more + more interviews finally appeared around the JVM inerview time, we truly did get changing info or new info. The turkey + kneeling in garage first surfaced with the JVM interview. That was shocking to me because it was a bunch of new details that should have been released on day 1, and we are just hearing about that for the first time. Then, never again do we hear mention of kneeling in the garage again (EVER again).

I know a lot of people have blamed the media for the confusion, and I am sure there is some partial blame, but IMO, the main confusion and changing stories were because it WAS really changing by the new interviews + new statements we saw come out. We witnessed the height + weight changing, we heard of turkeys possibly being shown in the garage, we heard of guns being brought out to chase the guy, the kneeling in garage, etc. etc. This was all "NEW" information that was added well after the initial week of her disappearance. And some of it was changed, like the height + weight.

But with all these changes, there was never anything released that could really help anyone find her. There was never any real substance ever given.
That is what has really bothered me the most.

I think LE needs to release the 911 calls or at least a transcript to help out or release some other critical piece of information to help try to find her.
We always heard the excuse of "protect the investigation", and I am fine with that until it becomes obvious they aren't on a hot trail of the perp. I would consider a year old is pretty much long enough to think that some new information needs to be released by LE to help jar the case. LE needs to provide something to help them find her whereabouts.

Now, if LE already knows what happened, and are waiting for the right evidence, then they should maybe ask for some outside help because a year is way too long. Something has to change in their approach, or it will probably continue to stay stagnant IMO.

But anyway, I do know why I am bothered by it all. Sorry for the long response.

[Hatfield]

Originally Posted by shefner

The ending of the searches around Easter of last year were quite a shock to most of us here. We had just been told that searches were scheduled to continue. A series of spring storms had delayed some of the searches so we were being updated daily.

Then we heard that there was a phone call to Karen....then we heard it was a text. Then we heard that due to that contact, something was found (presumed to be Holly's cell phone). Then the searches were halted.

That whole weekend gave me the ebbie jeebies. I've rehearsed it often in my mind. What contact was made with Karen.....and how did that lead to the discovery....and how did that change the way this case has developed since that time?

At the time that happened and once everything went silent, I kept thinking there may have been a ransom call or sometihing. But as the months passed, I had to throw away the ransom theory because it didnt make sense anymore as months dragged on.

There were people still waiting to help search. I never could understand why they would stop it either. Especialy even if they suspected someone was planting evidence....what better way to catch the person than to let the searches continue and try to catch them doing it. Even so, you never would stop looking for someone just because of people planting evidence. You would try to catch them , but still look for her. It did not make any sense to me either, and still doesnt.