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Old 02-29-2012, 01:34 PM
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Is this the only case in tn where they have had multiple incorrect press releases?! They did not have any clarifications for Karen swift or Gail palmgren did they? The very first press release was revised several times for Holly. Dragged, pulled, guided, walked. And mom was there, mom wasn't there, etc?!
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Seems to be spreading...there is a "found not found evidence" dispute in Ailiyah's case now too...media changing what they previously wrote...good grief...
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Old 02-29-2012, 05:49 PM
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Old 02-29-2012, 05:59 PM
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Im not sure if its DeKalb changing anything or the TBI/Henderson/Darden LE. TES sure screwed things up here in FL with the Haleigh Cummings fiasco thats for sure when they tried to play cop and run an undercover investigation of their own
Yes, they got in way over their head in that case. I don't think you will see them involved like that in a case ever again. Tim Miller's Heart has always been in the right place. Things got ugly in the Casey Anthony case too. TES is private and they charge a fee. They also require a contract with LE. They will not work without LE consent and cooperation. I left after the searches for Tracy Ocasio wound down. I just can't hike the tropical terrain anymore. But as long as they stick to what they do best, which is Horse back searches, they are a top notch SAR team! jmo
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I find it hard to believe that when the sheriff said this...

"Sheriff Harris says his deputies were contacted on February 14th and asked to help search near Lexington. The mounted patrol unit was dispatched and assisted for three days. Sheriff Harris says the unit was able to find several significant articles of evidence which they then tagged with their GPS system and turned over to the TBI.

"The TBI and other officials were impressed and pleased with the mounted unit’s tactics used to discover these crucial articles that will allow them to move forward with their investigation." Sheriff Jimmy Harris said in a prepared release. "They are recognized as one of the top mounted units in the country."


...That it was " incorrect information in a press release". My bet is TBI didn't want this info released. WTH????

Please let them find Holly!

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Sounds to me like Sheriff Harris is tooting his own horn here. Notice that he also throws in the fact that the TBI was impressed by his team's tactics, not what they actually found.

I'm glad to see something happening in the search for Holly and appreciate Sheriff Harris and his unit's efforts but I think the good Sheriff is probably making more of what they were able to accomplish than what it actually provided the TBI in terms of investigative evidence or leads. No shame in that though, we know that most searches turn up nothing.

And yes, the snakes are already out and about here in north Alabama. I had a corn snake outside my garage door this morning.
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What ever happened to Holly hopefully being brought home by the end of the year (2011)?!
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Sounds to me like Sheriff Harris is tooting his own horn here. Notice that he also throws in the fact that the TBI was impressed by his team's tactics, not what they actually found.

I'm glad to see something happening in the search for Holly and appreciate Sheriff Harris and his unit's efforts but I think the good Sheriff is probably making more of what they were able to accomplish than what it actually provided the TBI in terms of investigative evidence or leads. No shame in that though, we know that most searches turn up nothing.

And yes, the snakes are already out and about here in north Alabama. I had a corn snake outside my garage door this morning.
They can all toot their horns as loud as they like as long as it brings back Holly. In fact, it might be a good sign when they start taking their bows, might mean they're wrapping up the case....one can hope.
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Just watching the Natalie Holloway docudrama on LMN. How frustrating it was for Beth and the family to try to get justice for Natalie! Wondering if in Holly's case, there are those that are covering for the person/persons responsible for her disappearance. Something tells me there is more than one person involved.
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Old 03-02-2012, 02:05 AM
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No legitimate search org toots their own horns and inserts themselves into cases. That is red flag 101 in the search world --- Plenty claim they don't come in unless LE calls them but in reality the high profile ones many gravitate to and will indeed insert themselves and claim otherwise . I am surprised nobody has dug enough to see that this Sheriff did toot his own horn. He was one of dozens of teams that were brought in from 11 states with more than 5 resources in SAR that were utilized on this search -Sheriff was called in by a national org who did not inset themselves into this case but were requested by top law officials. Calling outside mounted teams not in typical network is not uncommon when you can't fly a horse to a location. You would expect more from a sheriff department so one would think. Again, goes to show the professionalism of those who were indeed brought in --- 99.9 % of the other teams present who did not send out press releases. This sheriff has NO jurisdiction and this was indeed a toot my horn moment as I said earlier the other 99.9 % of teams did not press release themselves out in this type of fashion.
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Old 03-02-2012, 08:02 AM
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Well its not like the DeKalb unit just inserted themselves - they were asked to do the search by TN authorities.
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Old 03-02-2012, 08:09 AM
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No legitimate search org toots their own horns and inserts themselves into cases. That is red flag 101 in the search world --- Plenty claim they don't come in unless LE calls them but in reality the high profile ones many gravitate to and will indeed insert themselves and claim otherwise . I am surprised nobody has dug enough to see that this Sheriff did toot his own horn. He was one of dozens of teams that were brought in from 11 states with more than 5 resources in SAR that were utilized on this search -Sheriff was called in by a national org who did not inset themselves into this case but were requested by top law officials. Calling outside mounted teams not in typical network is not uncommon when you can't fly a horse to a location. You would expect more from a sheriff department so one would think. Again, goes to show the professionalism of those who were indeed brought in --- 99.9 % of the other teams present who did not send out press releases. This sheriff has NO jurisdiction and this was indeed a toot my horn moment as I said earlier the other 99.9 % of teams did not press release themselves out in this type of fashion.
It's a directly neighboring state. People just across the Alabama line have close ties with Tennessee, and vice versa.

So he tooted his own horn - so what? Every search team I've ever read about does that. TES does the same thing, and has hundreds of fans lined up to do it for them. Some of us are not as thrilled with them - they don't find everyone they are looking for - not even close. They didn't find Caylee Anthony and she was right there in the neighborhood. They apparently searched everywhere except in her own back yard.

I actually applaud LE for bringing in some new eyes and horses on the ground. These folks may not have found Holly, but they searched a wide area that can be cleared. Knowing where someone is not is just as important as knowing where someone is. JMOO
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It's a directly neighboring state. People just across the Alabama line have close ties with Tennessee, and vice versa.

So he tooted his own horn - so what? Every search team I've ever read about does that. TES does the same thing, and has hundreds of fans lined up to do it for them. Some of us are not as thrilled with them - they don't find everyone they are looking for - not even close. They didn't find Caylee Anthony and she was right there in the neighborhood. They apparently searched everywhere except in her own back yard.

I actually applaud LE for bringing in some new eyes and horses on the ground. These folks may not have found Holly, but they searched a wide area that can be cleared. Knowing where someone is not is just as important as knowing where someone is. JMOO
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I agree.

MOO, but often SAR groups (as Walker stated above) do insert themselves into high profile cases, and it is a red flag- not for lack of skill or experience necessarily- but often just because they can. I truly don't know if that's necessarily the case here, because so many states and regions share resources when they simply do not have the same access to equipment or time or manpower- or have already exhausted their own resources on a case, and need outside support.

Maybe the sheriff knew a sheriff who knew another sheriff or whatever- that happens all the time. I think what it all comes down to, is desperation.
And trying to clear or confirm cleared areas.
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Old 03-02-2012, 11:59 AM
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Maybe the sheriff knew a sheriff who knew another sheriff or whatever- that happens all the time. I think what it all comes down to, is desperation.
And trying to clear or confirm cleared areas.
The DeKalb unit was ASKED to search as they were a mounted unit not available in Henderson or Darden. They didnt just think of going and searching there on their own.
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The DeKalb unit was ASKED to search as they were a mounted unit not available in Henderson or Darden. They didnt just think of going and searching there on their own.
I think maybe you misunderstood my post? That's what I meant. It is very common for LE from different jurisdictions to share resources when local resources have been exhausted, or are simply not available.
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I think maybe you misunderstood my post? That's what I meant. It is very common for LE from different jurisdictions to share resources when local resources have been exhausted, or are simply not available.
I was really answering the couple of other posts and used yours in my reply. But yeah its quite common. I don't know why people don't get that.
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Yeah sad but what are people supposed to post on? Honestly every possible thing has been beat to death in the last year...
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I have been wondering if the requested search was due to the arrest of TB or whether a tip has come in to LE. Any thoughts?
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I have been wondering about the search area as well..but reports makes it seem like this was an area were terrain was impossible to cover in any other way except with the methods and equipment used be this search unit. It kind of feels like this was a finishing up the original unfinished search more so than a search based on new evidence. If my understanding of the area searched is correct, they were searching an area that was in between the Bobo's Swan Johnson home and the Eaton Rd "Easter" evidence.
In my opinion from my reading of this event, LE was unable to search this area before due to terrain and vegetation restrictions after finding the "Easter" evidence, so they are simply covering all the bases of the original search, i.e. the possibility that Holly was taken from her home and traveled in the direction of the Eaton Rd. IMO for what we know, the other possibility, that Holly was taken in the direction of the Gooch Rd. evidence, I think that LE feel the area was searched fairly thoroughly during the first week after the disappearance.

IMO, if my understanding of the search area is correct, and that understanding comes from WS posts... I think that this search could be an indication that LE has no new leads or evidence in this case.

Sadly I think this indicates that Holly's Case has gone cold...but i'll be more that happy to have someone prove me wrong
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Yeah sad but what are people supposed to post on? Honestly every possible thing has been beat to death in the last year...
I have seen people say the same thing, that we've discussed everything there is to say, in many cases...but there are cases that are decades old and have entire forums to talk about them. What's the difference between Holly's case and those cases? I'm sure there's a lot more information out there about Zodiac...Jack the Ripper...The Black Dahlia...etc but after 50+ years, you're basically talking in circles yet people do it.
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Implanting Locator Chips

I am sure this will spark a debate but there is nothing new to report and I think this is a worthwhile question.

Had Holly had a locator chip implanted would she be alive now (or should I say found since there is always a small hope she could be found alive) as well as hundreds of other missing children/persons?

I would have no problem losing a little privacy. It also would be such a useful tool in dementia seniors who wander off.

Ok...here we go!!

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I am sure this will spark a debate but there is nothing new to report and I think this is a worthwhile question.

Had Holly had a locator chip implanted would she be alive now as well as hundreds of other missing children/persons?

I would have no problem losing a little privacy. It also would be such a useful tool in dementia seniors who wander off.

Ok...here we go!!

Several years ago, (I am 57 years old) I would have certainly scoffed at your suggestion, but now with all of the abductions and strange things going on, I think it may be a good idea to place some sort of device to locate people on each individual. But really think about this, we microchip our pets, so that if they get lost or stolen, we can locate and claim them. Have we become reduced to animal level? The recent cases, Holly Bobo, Samantha Koenig, Karen Swift, etc. seems to indicate that we have, which makes me very, very sad.
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I am sure this will spark a debate but there is nothing new to report and I think this is a worthwhile question.

Had Holly had a locator chip implanted would she be alive now (or should I say found since there is always a small hope she could be found alive) as well as hundreds of other missing children/persons?

I would have no problem losing a little privacy. It also would be such a useful tool in dementia seniors who wander off.

Ok...here we go!!
Chip GPS trackers aren't possible with current technology because of the battery limitations. They can't make a battery small enough to implant, and it has to be recharged...think of your cellphone battery.

The GPS trackers sold now for children or the elderly with dementia, or problems like that, are pretty much cellphone sized or fairly bulky wristwatches. They could be easily removed from the abducted (unless it's a watch type and the abductor doesn't realize it).

The implanted pet chips just identify the pet if it goes to a shelter or vet and is scanned, they don't track.
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