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Old 03-04-2012, 10:06 AM
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I got Mn's confidence. That's the attorney's job. Spin it baby! He may insist his client is innocent like every other defense attorney. I swear my client is innocent. But the fact remains, he did not mention any new evidence to clear Dal. Just reiterated they would be talking to the public in the very near future. What would make the defense talk in near future? How is he so confident LE doesn't have anything to charge Dale? I see it more as a bluff IMO.
MarkN spin artist....
I highly doubt he knows what direction LE is taking this case...as tight lipped as LE has been...
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Lets just say that "IF" Dale wasnt responsible then maybe its a sobering life changing experience for him and meant to happen for the reasons you mentioned...but Im still at about 75% for him being responsible.
I'm sure if Dale were reading this he'd say your off by 25% JMO. That is why all of those online activities we have found have been deleted or erased. Why cover tracks when you're innocent? If we as a group have found certain Info just imagine what LE must have with all that technology and man hours. I can't wait to see sunshine laws kick in. The trail is hot...
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There is plenty of proof that DSjr is a violent man who cannot control his temper. Whether MP drinks or not is irrelevant to the fact that she is a crime victim.

BigCityLights has as much right to post opinion as the next person. However, the truth is that people around Dale Jr have a way of getting beat up, killed or otherwise hurt. We cannot say that about MP. SHE is the victim.
Well ironically, after looking at some of the old press videos, we have this one...

http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/vide...g-woman/vFLf9/

In which Kathi Belich states:

KB: "Nejames states that it's not right that Smith's criminal past is coming back to haunt him. Today channel 9 found out that he was accused 20 years ago of sexual battery but charges were never filed."

So it appears that the courthouse holds information not just on Michelle but also on DSJr that we're not aware of because it's not on the Orange County Clerk site because for whatever reason, people chose not to got through with the charges. Maybe someone local can check into this one and host it and post it for us to see. And see if there are any others.

So no matter what his lawyer says, DSJr has a long history of assault, battery, sexual assault etc. And this is not just a record from a young guy acting out. He was in his twenties for cripes sake when these charges started piling up. Not a kid but a grown man who knew better. And these aren't petty "kid" type charges. To suggest that he has "changed" is ridiculous IMO. DSJr has a problem. Now whether it's alcohol related or some personality disorder it needs to be addressed. Because it's very possible that someone has finally died by his own hands as a result of it.

And there are two young innocent children in his care at the moment. I shudder at the thought.

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IMO, Dale Smith Jr. has a mental disorder and and needs treatment. Not self-help treatment. Not AA. Serious psychological treatment.

IMO, he has the traits of a sociopath. Inflicting violence on others for no reason at all (victim #1, the young man who Dale helped kill when he was 20, and the pregant lady on the beach in South Carolina when he was a marine), is a hallmark of that personality disorder. These two were literally random stangers picked out for his own amusement, I guess.

And then of course, there's the violence he's inflicted on those he supposedly loved (his second wife, his next fiance, and then Michelle Parker).

I've learned something from this case. Never, EVER take someone's word for who they are. Before you start a serious relationship, before you marry that person, check their criminal record. It's easy to do. Could save your life.

And his criminal record should come back to haunt him!
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IMO, Dale Smith Jr. has a mental disorder and and needs treatment. Not self-help treatment. Not AA. Serious psychological treatment.

IMO, he has the traits of a sociopath. Inflicting violence on others for no reason at all (victim #1, the young man who Dale helped kill when he was 20, and the pregant lady on the beach in South Carolina when he was a marine), is a hallmark of that personality disorder. These two were literally random stangers picked out for his own amusement, I guess.

And then of course, there's the violence he's inflicted on those he supposedly loved (his second wife, his next fiance, and then Michelle Parker).

I've learned something from this case. Never, EVER take someone's word for who they are. Before you start a serious relationship, before you marry that person, check their criminal record. It's easy to do. Could save your life.

And his criminal record should come back to haunt him!
I think you're onto something Lark. *A sociopath has some of the following characteristics:

* Glibness/superficial charm
* Manipulative and conning
* Grandiose sense of self
* Pathological lying
* Lack of remorse, shame or guilt
* Shallow emotions
**Poor behavioral controls/impulsive nature
* Early behavior problems/juvenile delinquency
* Irresponsibility/unreliability
* Promiscuous sexual behavior/infidelity
* Criminal or entrepreneurial versatility
**Secretive
* Paranoid
**Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
* Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
* Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
* Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
**Narcissism, grandiosity (self-importance not based on achievements)
May state readily that their goal is to rule the world

How many of these fit Dale based on what we know?
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Old 03-04-2012, 12:15 PM
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Big City Lights has brought some fresh insight to the case but many attacked her opinions. I wouldn't want to post if everyone attacked what I
was saying.

Question though: How is she "thinking" like DS2? Sorry but I'm not following what you're saying... Is it because she is sticking up for the fact that there's no proof DS did anything and that MP may not be as innocent as we all believe?
sorry that was the wrong phase or thought... but more like what he might be" thinking"... Like ok If I didnt do this who did? where would you begin to look?

Just a different view.

My thoughts have been ok how did he do this..I keep going back to Dale and the condo...The timing is so close to the time she went missinig when she was at the condo....its would be hard to say Michelle's other acitivites that afternoon had a play in it... at least for me it does unless someone grabbed her really near the complex. (back to carjacking but it didnt seem to fit here)

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Old 03-04-2012, 01:37 PM
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sorry that was the wrong phase or thought... but more like what he might be" thinking"... Like ok If I didnt do this who did? where would you begin to look?

Just a different view.

My thoughts have been ok how did he do this..I keep going back to Dale and the condo...The timing is so close to the time she went missinig when she was at the condo....its would be hard to say Michelle's other acitivites that afternoon had a play in it... at least for me it does unless someone grabbed her really near the complex. (back to carjacking but it didnt seem to fit here)

Again this is just an opinion.
Thanks Captdj for the clarification! IMO that gives me (well actually Dale) a revenue generation idea. What if Dale were to continue a popular book series? He is out of work, has some time on his hands, and "desperately needs money" according to his attorney. So what if he wrote the next version of "If I did it" ? Just saying...
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Thanks Captdj for the clarification! IMO that gives me (well actually Dale) a revenue generation idea. What if Dale were to continue a popular book series? He is out of work, has some time on his hands, and "desperately needs money" according to his attorney. So what if he wrote the next version of "If I did it" ? Just saying...
That's kinda funny, cuz I had thought the same thing...
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and if we've thought of it and not just one of us, or the other, what are the odds he's already in the middle of a book deal? Or at least penning his memoirs?
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and if we've thought of it and not just one of us, or the other, what are the odds he's already in the middle of a book deal? Or at least penning his memoirs?
Yeah I bet that would go over about as well as a book by Casey Anthony.

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Let's see...if Dale is now unemployed, he's probably getting the max of $274.00 in unemployment benefits (less taxes), public assistance.. foodstamps...my guess would be about $350.00 a month, medicaid, and then there's also wic for the twins.

JMO, but if he can't find a job, then he may have to sell or rent his condo, sell his truck if it's not paid for, and what about the hummer? If LE still has it, then who's paying for it? Lots of $$ to go out, but not a lot coming in. JMO
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Has he set up a "search fund" or reward fund? Does he have access to any monies donated in the twins names?


just wondering... based off another case I am following...


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Let's see...if Dale is now unemployed, he's probably getting the max of $274.00 in unemployment benefits (less taxes), public assistance.. foodstamps...my guess would be about $350.00 a month, medicaid, and then there's also wic for the twins.

JMO, but if he can't find a job, then he may have to sell or rent his condo, sell his truck if it's not paid for, and what about the hummer? If LE still has it, then who's paying for it? Lots of $$ to go out, but not a lot coming in. JMO
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Has he set up a "search fund" or reward fund? Does he have access to any monies donated in the twins names?


just wondering... based off another case I am following...
Nope he don't have access and I haven't heard anything about him setting up a search fund. jmo
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Has he set up a "search fund" or reward fund? Does he have access to any monies donated in the twins names?


just wondering... based off another case I am following...


Someone had created a donation page for him early on, not sure if it was for him or for the twins, but it has since been taken down.
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IMO, Dale Smith Jr. has a mental disorder and and needs treatment. Not self-help treatment. Not AA. Serious psychological treatment.

IMO, he has the traits of a sociopath. Inflicting violence on others for no reason at all (victim #1, the young man who Dale helped kill when he was 20, and the pregant lady on the beach in South Carolina when he was a marine), is a hallmark of that personality disorder. These two were literally random stangers picked out for his own amusement, I guess.

And then of course, there's the violence he's inflicted on those he supposedly loved (his second wife, his next fiance, and then Michelle Parker).

I've learned something from this case. Never, EVER take someone's word for who they are. Before you start a serious relationship, before you marry that person, check their criminal record. It's easy to do. Could save your life.

And his criminal record should come back to haunt him!
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This instance is not one I am familiar with.
I hope other sleuthers will not mind if we have this incident summarized for me, please?
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Let's see...if Dale is now unemployed, he's probably getting the max of $274.00 in unemployment benefits (less taxes), public assistance.. foodstamps...my guess would be about $350.00 a month, medicaid, and then there's also wic for the twins.

JMO, but if he can't find a job, then he may have to sell or rent his condo, sell his truck if it's not paid for, and what about the hummer? If LE still has it, then who's paying for it? Lots of $$ to go out, but not a lot coming in. JMO
Did we rule out him being a male escort? He may have money coming in there. I think BigCityLightsGrl said he stripped in his early days. Did you find that link yet? TIA Correct me if I'm wrong. IMO Maybe he has some "under the table" income so to speak...
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Is his (DSjr) father, charged with distribution or trafficking... or just cultivation?
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Did we rule out him being a male escort? He may have money coming in there. I think BigCityLightsGrl said he stripped in his early days. Did you find that link yet? TIA Correct me if I'm wrong. IMO Maybe he has some "under the table" income so to speak...
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Let's see...if Dale is now unemployed, he's probably getting the max of $274.00 in unemployment benefits (less taxes), public assistance.. foodstamps...my guess would be about $350.00 a month, medicaid, and then there's also wic for the twins.

JMO, but if he can't find a job, then he may have to sell or rent his condo, sell his truck if it's not paid for, and what about the hummer? If LE still has it, then who's paying for it? Lots of $$ to go out, but not a lot coming in. JMO
Let me guess

Mtge pmt 1,100.00
Prop Tax 250.00
Insurance 100.00
Condo Fees 200.00

Total 1,650.00
then add
Utilities 250.00
telephone 100.00
Car payments ?
other Living exp ?



Hmmm He aint gonna make it unless he has been assisting his Dad in his side business....

Bank of America may be sending a certified letter real soon....
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.... gee, I wonder if he was stripping for women AND men??

Things that make ya go hmmmm.....
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IMO, Dale Smith Jr. has a mental disorder and and needs treatment. Not self-help treatment. Not AA. Serious psychological treatment.

IMO, he has the traits of a sociopath. Inflicting violence on others for no reason at all (victim #1, the young man who Dale helped kill when he was 20, and the pregant lady on the beach in South Carolina when he was a marine), is a hallmark of that personality disorder. These two were literally random stangers picked out for his own amusement, I guess.

And then of course, there's the violence he's inflicted on those he supposedly loved (his second wife, his next fiance, and then Michelle Parker).

I've learned something from this case. Never, EVER take someone's word for who they are. Before you start a serious relationship, before you marry that person, check their criminal record. It's easy to do. Could save your life.

And his criminal record should come back to haunt him!
I have a feeling ...that North Carolina knows a lot about Smitty's Bad Behavior...Im just not good at searching records up there...

He was in the Marines at Camp Lejuene and we know of some of the things he did while there but my guess is there is a lot more we don't.
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.... gee, I wonder if he was stripping for women AND men??

Things that make ya go hmmmm.....
If he could turn a " buck" maybe he should go back to stripping..
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Likes cowboys? I dont get it? Because he wears a cowboy hat? Does he have pics of cowboys on his facebook, or does he post stuff like that else where? Its so easy for someone to be something we want them to be,even when their not. Dont take this the wrong way but he is shirtless is some pics, does that make him a stripper? Dancer? Im sure we could find a way, if we wanted, to put him in the grassy knoll.

Its nice to explore every avenue and possiblity but sometime that line of thought can distract from whats really going on.
BBM..

This is how "information" gets screwed up! MSM and here there is no way to be 100 % accurate! She simply asked DOES that make him a stripper NOT that he was. Just putting it out there..
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IMO, Dale Smith Jr. has a mental disorder and and needs treatment. Not self-help treatment. Not AA. Serious psychological treatment.

IMO, he has the traits of a sociopath. Inflicting violence on others for no reason at all (victim #1, the young man who Dale helped kill when he was 20, and the pregant lady on the beach in South Carolina when he was a marine), is a hallmark of that personality disorder. These two were literally random stangers picked out for his own amusement, I guess.

And then of course, there's the violence he's inflicted on those he supposedly loved (his second wife, his next fiance, and then Michelle Parker).

I've learned something from this case. Never, EVER take someone's word for who they are. Before you start a serious relationship, before you marry that person, check their criminal record. It's easy to do. Could save your life.

And his criminal record should come back to haunt him!
I don't recall hearing anything about a pregnant lady on the beach.. LINKS??
Also who was the next fiance?
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I don't recall hearing anything about a pregnant lady on the beach.. LINKS??
Also who was the next fiance?
I remember this very early on in the investigation. There was a Youtube video posted by someone by the name of mikel0352 that claimed to be DSjr's roommate in the Marines. He posted some comments on his youtube channel which I don't see any more as it looks like the video he posted has rolled off his youtube channel with all the other videos he has posted. Though, I do still see similar comments that he has posted on another youtube video that was posted about Michelle being missing. If you google search "Dale Smith Smitty Mikel0352" you'll find the youtube video and the comments. The comment about the pregnant lady is in there. ETA: the video you'll find on the link that will come up from the google search is not from the Mike person but rather someone else posting a video about Michelle being missing and the former marine roommate has posted a comment. It's the most recent comment you'll see. I still can't find the original video posted by the roommate himself but it was a video of him talking about DSjr and his opinion of him and also the other incidents he makes mention of in his comment on that link you'll find.

I'm hesitant to post the link as I'm unsure if it violates the TOS regarding links since it isn't MSM link.

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perhaps some information here will be helpful BigCityLightsGrl

If you don't have a scanner, you can take pics of the docs with your cellphone and upload your photos to your PC, if that is your issue

If you need more help, let us know where you're having the problem and we'll find you the solution
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