When was the last time Lisa was seen alive

[vlpate]

Originally Posted by Dewey2Me1MoThyme

MT was not JI & DB's neighbour, and he was staying at a friend's or relative's home that week. i'm not sure when he contacted LE only when it was leaked to MSM.

I think the poster is referring to Lisa, the neighbor. MT was not staying with anyone, he was visiting a relative/friend after work. He contacted LE about a week later, IIRC.

I thought it was funny when a reporter asked MT how big the baby was that had suddenly started sitting upright in the unidentified man's arms. He hesitated for a moment and said, "about the size of that missing baby". lol - His fish just keeps getting bigger and bigger.

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Originally Posted by vlpate

I think the poster is referring to Lisa, the neighbor. MT was not staying with anyone, he was visiting a relative/friend after work. He contacted LE about a week later, IIRC.

I thought it was funny when a reporter asked MT how big the baby was that had suddenly started sitting upright in the unidentified man's arms. He hesitated for a moment and said, "about the size of that missing baby". lol - His fish just keeps getting bigger and bigger.

BBM: If they are referring to the neighbour named Lisa, they did contact LE right away.

IIRC MT said he was staying with a friend b/c of the distance to work, but I'll see if I can find the link to make sure.

[vlpate]

Originally Posted by norest4thewicked

Yes, I personally believe that both of the sightings have been resolved by LE. I think that the first sighting by the husband and wife were identified by LE as someone that came forward to them and they have moved past this.

The sighting of the white blob I also feel was identified by police by someone who came forward. Besides that, I never thought the white blob was carrying anything anyway.

The sighting by Mike Thompson I completely discount. I think that he came forward for his 15 minutes of fame after he heard this on the radio and I feel that it was discounted by LE too.

This is just my personal thoughts on the "sightings".

I think, with all due respect, Mr. Abeyta was trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. IMO

[vlpate]

Originally Posted by Dewey2Me1MoThyme

BBM: If they are referring to the neighbour named Lisa, they did contact LE right away.

IIRC MT said he was staying with a friend b/c of the distance to work, but I'll see if I can find the link to make sure.

The neighbor called right away. I think MT contacted them up to two weeks later, but not positive - would have to look again.

ETA: ABC News has EXCLUSIVELY learned (rather off-putting) about these three sightings

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-bab...9#.T1pwooHOVEI
"A few hours earlier, a couple living three houses down from the Irwin family said they saw a similar sight. A woman and her husband said they saw a man in a t-shirt carrying a baby. They thought the situation was so unusual that they reported it to police on the morning of Oct. 4."

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

On Thursday evening, HLN’s Nancy Grace said it is not unusual for witnesses to come forward some time after an incident occurred. Thompson lives nearly 100 miles from Kansas City and was not aware that Baby Lisa was missing when he saw the man and the baby. As news reports emerged Thompson remembered that he’d seen the man with the baby and discussed what he saw with his cousin who urged him to call police.

http://www.examiner.com/missing-pers...nd-pepper-hair

My monitor screen is jumpy today so I hope I got the right link.

[4Jacy]

Originally Posted by norest4thewicked

Yes, I personally believe that both of the sightings have been resolved by LE. I think that the first sighting by the husband and wife were identified by LE as someone that came forward to them and they have moved past this.

The sighting of the white blob I also feel was identified by police by someone who came forward. Besides that, I never thought the white blob was carrying anything anyway.

The sighting by Mike Thompson I completely discount. I think that he came forward for his 15 minutes of fame after he heard this on the radio and I feel that it was discounted by LE too.

This is just my personal thoughts on the "sightings".

BBM

Agree with your entire post, however, if the above bolded is true, and Mike Thompson inserted himself into this case for his 15 minutes, then he should be thrown in jail for delaying this case by giving false information.

People cannot jeapordize investigations like this, it is illegal and immoral.

[4Jacy]

Originally Posted by vlpate

I think the poster is referring to Lisa, the neighbor. MT was not staying with anyone, he was visiting a relative/friend after work. He contacted LE about a week later, IIRC.

I thought it was funny when a reporter asked MT how big the baby was that had suddenly started sitting upright in the unidentified man's arms. He hesitated for a moment and said, "about the size of that missing baby". lol - His fish just keeps getting bigger and bigger.

BBM

If you have enough wits to drive a motorcycle you have enough wits to call 911 when you see a naked baby being carried through the streets at 4:00 AM.

[vlpate]

Originally Posted by Dewey2Me1MoThyme

http://www.examiner.com/missing-pers...nd-pepper-hair

My monitor screen is jumpy today so I hope I got the right link.

Thanks for the link

"Police said it took Thompson more than two weeks to come forward after the initial report to say he saw a man with a baby, Young said Monday. The NY Daily News reported Thompson waited about a week before calling police. Thompson also told KMBC on Oct. 21 that he had waited a week before contacting police."
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Gotta ask yourself, why is Thompson saying one week and LE saying two weeks. I agree with whomever said if this man is lying, he needs to be prosecuted.

[DeAnn]

Originally Posted by norest4thewicked

Yes, I personally believe that both of the sightings have been resolved by LE. I think that the first sighting by the husband and wife were identified by LE as someone that came forward to them and they have moved past this.

The sighting of the white blob I also feel was identified by police by someone who came forward. Besides that, I never thought the white blob was carrying anything anyway.

The sighting by Mike Thompson I completely discount. I think that he came forward for his 15 minutes of fame after he heard this on the radio and I feel that it was discounted by LE too.

This is just my personal thoughts on the "sightings".

I don't know how the actual investigators resolved the couple's sighting.

But police who either had loose ties or no ties to the investigation in the KC area had theories that would have made it part of the investigation. (One of those theories was that it was someone walking around a doll or something to give credence to the abduction theory when she wasn't, basically an elaborate cover up).

I don't know how the actual investigators resolved the MT sighting. But every police officer who I've talked to who has NO ties to the investigation and are with other agencies has talked about how detectives deal with people who want to be helpful and think they saw something that they didn't. Not so much lying (but not sure the proper way to say this, embellishing? stretching) but not straight fact talk either.

[vlpate]

Deann, I know you know,, but just saying, there's no way to prove what MT saw unless they find this person....and there's no way to disprove the sighting unless his timeline didn't fit. If he saw a man walking down the street in the middle of the night, stating it was 45 degrees, (which everyone in that area disputes), and the man seemed at all suspicious - which just by virtue of it being 4:00 am, it's suspicious, he should have called 911 - wouldn't most people? At the very least ask where he's going, if he needs help - although I think he added that to the story later.

Deann, do you know if his work and cousin have been verified? He works in the area, right?

[norest4thewicked]

Originally Posted by vlpate

No one was picked out of a lineup. Gil Abeyta showed Thompson a picture of Brando and, according to reports, Thomson ID'd Brando. Cindy Short accompanied Thompson to KCPD where he was shown several pictures, and again, picked out Brando.

Here's the problem with this- LE has never said who, if anyone MT pointed out. Cindy Short has never said it, why not? The attorneys are saying these three sightings are credible and all describe the same man with a baby. We know that's not true, MT and the neighbor Lisa described two different people - if that's the case, why are Tacopina and Wild Bill still spinning the two are related?

The other glaring problem is MT embellishes his story with every telling. He started out saying he saw a man with a baby and the baby was only wearing a diaper. He said nothing to him and didn't indicate the man had seen him. Later MT dresses the baby in a t-shirt. Later, the baby is wearing a t-shirt, sitting upright in the man's arms and "alert". MT says something to the man and the man nods.

If MT picked Brando out of a lineup, Wild Bill should be all over it. He's not all over it. In fact, Brando is living next door to the Irwin's again. LE would surely intervene if they thought Brando had anything to do with abducted a baby from his neighbors.

And, in the last interview, MT called the baby a "she". This guy is totally making it up.

[vlpate]

Could someone try to open this video....or let me know if it's removed from the site. TIA - my flash is messing up so it could be me.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/19...since-day-one/

[norest4thewicked]

Originally Posted by vlpate

I think, with all due respect, Mr. Abeyta was trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. IMO

Oh, I absolutely agree on that. I respect Mr. Abeyta for what he has gone through, but when your life has been dedicated to this type of situation because you personally have gone through a similar situation, this is not a surprise.

[norest4thewicked]

Originally Posted by 4Jacy

BBM

Agree with your entire post, however, if the above bolded is true, and Mike Thompson inserted himself into this case for his 15 minutes, then he should be thrown in jail for delaying this case by giving false information.

People cannot jeapordize investigations like this, it is illegal and immoral.

I agree...but who could prove that he didn't see what he said he saw? I think that most people who actually are paying attention to the case can see that a story embellished with each interview is not believable.

[norest4thewicked]

Originally Posted by vlpate

Could someone try to open this video....or let me know if it's removed from the site. TIA - my flash is messing up so it could be me.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/19...since-day-one/

It's still there for me.

[4Jacy]

Originally Posted by norest4thewicked

I agree...but who could prove that he didn't see what he said he saw? I think that most people who actually are paying attention to the case can see that a story embellished with each interview is not believable.

Okay, you are right. No one could prove MT did not see this. I really think we should take a poll however, to find out how many people on these threads would report something like this. Did MT find it normal, did he think that man was going for an evening stroll with a naked baby at 4:00 AM, with temperatures ranging between 45/50 degrees? He didn't pull over and ask this person, may I help you, let me call someone, here is my jacket (to keep the baby warm)?

I don't find MT creditable at all and it really angers me if this were a lie and he tied up many man hours that could have been spent looking for Baby Lisa.

[norest4thewicked]

Originally Posted by 4Jacy

Okay, you are right. No one could prove MT did not see this. I really think we should take a poll however, to find out how many people on these threads would report something like this. Did MT find it normal, did he think that man was going for an evening stroll with a naked baby at 4:00 AM, with temperatures ranging between 45/50 degrees? He didn't pull over and ask this person, may I help you, let me call someone, here is my jacket (to keep the baby warm)?

I don't find MT creditable at all and it really angers me if this were a lie and he tied up many man hours that could have been spent looking for Baby Lisa.

I completely agree with you. One thing though that I don't have a link for, but I remember In Da Middle saying that it was an unusually warm evening and that it would have been well above 40-45 degrees. Just thought that I would add that. I don't care if it was 80 out, this is WEIRD to see! And the fact that he waited 2 weeks to report it, don't believe him!

[4Jacy]

Originally Posted by norest4thewicked

I completely agree with you. One thing though that I don't have a link for, but I remember In Da Middle saying that it was an unusually warm evening and that it would have been well above 40-45 degrees. Just thought that I would add that. I don't care if it was 80 out, this is WEIRD to see! And the fact that he waited 2 weeks to report it, don't believe him!

Thanks and agree. Actually, know matter what the temperature, who takes a naked baby for a stroll at that time of the morning.

[cityslick]

Originally Posted by 4Jacy

Okay, you are right. No one could prove MT did not see this. I really think we should take a poll however, to find out how many people on these threads would report something like this. Did MT find it normal, did he think that man was going for an evening stroll with a naked baby at 4:00 AM, with temperatures ranging between 45/50 degrees? He didn't pull over and ask this person, may I help you, let me call someone, here is my jacket (to keep the baby warm)?

I don't find MT creditable at all and it really angers me if this were a lie and he tied up many man hours that could have been spent looking for Baby Lisa.

MT is also a male and most males just wouldn't think twice about a lot of stuff if they really wasn't paying that much attention in the first place. Taking a poll here doesn't prove anything, a majority of poster are females who have been following these cases forever. Not really a unbiased viewpoint.

What makes you think the average person cares about the complete stranger, even if the stranger is a child? I got news for you, they don't (sad but true).

[Donjeta]

But allegedly he was paying attention, he said he had a concerned conversation with the person with the baby.

[cityslick]

Originally Posted by Donjeta

But allegedly he was paying attention, he said he had a concerned conversation with the person with the baby.

A conversation? I thought he yelled out something but it wasn't back and forth conversation.

[hambirg]

Originally Posted by cityslick

MT is also a male and most males just wouldn't think twice about a lot of stuff if they really wasn't paying that much attention in the first place. Taking a poll here doesn't prove anything, a majority of poster are females who have been following these cases forever. Not really a unbiased viewpoint.

What makes you think the average person cares about the complete stranger, even if the stranger is a child? I got news for you, they don't (sad but true).

If he wasn't paying that much attention than his sighting is even that less reliable.

We did an interesting experiment in a psych class. We were shown a film. we were told it was going to be about facial expression, etc and customers perceived satisfaction. It was of customers going into a bank and a teller helping them and we think we're looking if the teller smiles at them, greets them etc. But shortly into the film a man comes in and robs the bank. The film then shows witnesses that would supposedly in the bank and what they saw. Most of those witnesses said the man was in his 20's and wearing a red shirt. Then it was the students turn to describe what we saw. We had a little standard questionnaire. IIRC alll of us said he was a man in his 20's. One person said the man was wearing a green shirt, 2 (I was one) said they couldn't recall the shirt color and everybody else said he had on a red shirt.

Well. . .then we got to watch it again. The man was actually clearly older (50's) and he was wearing a green shirt. It was a study in short term memory and the power of suggestion. It was quite interesting.

I guess my point is that no matter what MT actually saw than night, and no matter what his intentions are, Mr. Abeyta really messed things up when he showed him that picture of JB. Now MT's sighting is useless. Which could be very unfortunate if he did, in fact, see Lisa that night.

[cityslick]

Originally Posted by hambirg

If he wasn't paying that much attention than his sighting is even that less reliable.

We did an interesting experiment in a psych class. We were shown a film. we were told it was going to be about facial expression, etc and customers perceived satisfaction. It was of customers going into a bank and a teller helping them and we think we're looking if the teller smiles at them, greets them etc. But shortly into the film a man comes in and robs the bank. The film then shows witnesses that would supposedly in the bank and what they saw. Most of those witnesses said the man was in his 20's and wearing a red shirt. Then it was the students turn to describe what we saw. We had a little standard questionnaire. IIRC alll of us said he was a man in his 20's. One person said the man was wearing a green shirt, 2 (I was one) said they couldn't recall the shirt color and everybody else said he had on a red shirt.

Well. . .then we got to watch it again. The man was actually clearly older (50's) and he was wearing a green shirt. It was a study in short term memory and the power of suggestion. It was quite interesting.

I guess my point is that no matter what MT actually saw than night, and no matter what his intentions are, Mr. Abeyta really messed things up when he showed him that picture of JB. Now MT's sighting is useless. Which could be very unfortunate if he did, in fact, see Lisa that night.

BBM

I agree you, I don't put much relevance into his sighting either. I'm not willing to say he's outright lying, he very well may have seen 'something' but it probably wasn't a) BL or even b) a baby.

[hambirg]

Originally Posted by cityslick

BBM

I agree you, I don't put much relevance into his sighting either. I'm not willing to say he's outright lying, he very well may have seen 'something' but it probably wasn't a) BL or even b) a baby.

ITA. I'm not willing to say MT has any nefarious intentions, but just by the very way our brains and memory work, his sighting is basically useless. I still can't believe that Mr. Abeyta would do what he did. I would think he would know better. Like I said, if on the slight chance that MT did actually see BL that night, it is very unfortunate what Mr. Abeyta did. It borders on witness tampering IMHO.

[AmandaReckonwith]

Case archive for Lisa Irwin:

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/m...win%20%20-MO-/

Also has a sub-album for search pics and vids.