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Old 02-29-2012, 08:04 PM
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Regarding the alleged prescription drug dealing angle, and considering he's a first responder, I have to wonder if Jerry was getting his supply from a 'medical professional' he was, er, in cahoots with/met through his work/was introduced to through his work. Like someone that works in a hospital setting/pharmacist/doctor/tech. It would make it more likely that he could have more 'product' on hand...

Here's an article similar to what I'm talking about.

http://www.wpri.com/dpp/target_12/ch...oking-for-deal
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Old 02-29-2012, 08:06 PM
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.....and perhaps an even more relevant article about FLorida being the home of oxycodone "pill mills" (never heard that term before!)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...illers-florida
You would have heard that term if you were from FL...LOL!

But seriously FL is trying curb this type of thing. Pain clinics rules for dispensing have charged. Some doctors have been arrested recently and just in the last few weeks one of the nation drug store chains here stop filling RXs from certain doctors who prescribe high volumes of pain pills.
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Old 02-29-2012, 08:17 PM
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Yikes. The comments here are pretty harsh.
Wow! Heated opinions galore!
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Old 02-29-2012, 08:18 PM
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You would have heard that term if you were from FL...LOL!

But seriously FL is trying curb this type of thing. Pain clinics rules for dispensing have charged. Some doctors have been arrested recently and just in the last few weeks one of the nation drug store chains here stop filling RXs from certain doctors who prescribe high volumes of pain pills.
There is so much money being made in these pill mills and corruption because of that money. Look at this article that says it took 5 years to shut them down.

Apparently, Drs. Stringer and Chambers -- who operated clinics under the moniker "New Hope" -- had been under investigation for five years. Law enforcement officials first became suspicious of the doctors after prescription overdose deaths had been connected with their clinic. A review of pharmacy records showed that the New Hope clinics were responisible for prescribing 190,000 pain pills over a three month period. Although severa pain medications were prescribed, oxycodone was by far the most frequent. As I have written previously, Florida pain clinics are some of the nation's largest prescribers of oxycodone.

http://www.cullen-law.com/blog/crack...in-clinics.cfm

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Old 02-29-2012, 08:24 PM
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Look at the violence and criminal activity between these two guys, then think how much more violence, criminal activity and possible deaths resulted as these pills moved to the end users. People destroyed, families destroyed all because a guy saw some quick money and a way to pay for his jaunts to his girlfriend's home.
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Old 02-29-2012, 08:29 PM
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As i posted yesterday its all very sad to see it confirmed that the end was tragic just like many of us thought... So while making it no less tragic it is however refreshing to see a case come to resolution and closure for the famiy...

I am extremely impressed with this LE and have a renewed hope and faith that this same agency of LE that is currently handling precious Ayla Reynolds case as well...
just further confirmation that this agency willbring closure and justice for Ayla and her loved ones... The DiPietros should be worried...
Yes..McCausland has been busy these last months!

I, too, found LE's handling of this case efficient and effective!
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Old 02-29-2012, 08:33 PM
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You would have heard that term if you were from FL...LOL!

But seriously FL is trying curb this type of thing. Pain clinics rules for dispensing have charged. Some doctors have been arrested recently and just in the last few weeks one of the nation drug store chains here stop filling RXs from certain doctors who prescribe high volumes of pain pills.
LOL - , but true. Florida is the starting gate of the pill mill pipeline on a lot of the east coast. Several states pressured Florida to change things (like you said) to help reduce the amount of drugs originating from there.

http://www.treatmentsolutionsnetwork...pill-mill-law/
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Old 02-29-2012, 08:35 PM
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The dog who led authorities directly to a body off Dahlia Rd in Newburgh, ME that is believed to be Perdomo(no positive ID yet).. The property that the body was found is said to belong to the Porter family..

http://t.co/eqC0SZzv
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These dogs are such wonderful creatures!
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Old 02-29-2012, 08:39 PM
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My guess is Porter didn't have the $$$..He stole that $5000 off Jerry before he dumped his body..If Porter owed him $$$ others in Maine probably did too & Jerry had collected it along with maybe selling more pills for cash prior to meeting with Porter later that 'fateful' night.
And...Porter may have been "generously" sharing the pills with gf, family, friends, HIMSELF, so that the "cash drawer didn't balance".
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Old 02-29-2012, 08:43 PM
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I'd guarantee that the majority of Jerry's pills came from the VA hospital. They are notorious (at least in Florida) for providing more than enough pain killers for the average person.
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Old 02-29-2012, 08:47 PM
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I'm sorry to see Jerry has been found deceased, just another victim of the Pill Mills here in FL. Just recognizing that if we stop these pill mills then the pharma companies don't make any money and that is why politics and $$$ will always own us.


http://www.thefix.com/content/what-i...nor-rick-scott
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Old 02-29-2012, 08:48 PM
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Look at the violence and criminal activity between these two guys, then think how much more violence, criminal activity and possible deaths resulted as these pills moved to the end users. People destroyed, families destroyed all because a guy saw some quick money and a way to pay for his jaunts to his girlfriend's home.
Amen, Dr Fessel so many lives are destroyed by drug abuse. I do feel bad for this man and all the families involved. I do question is there a consideration in one's mind while getting involved in this sort of activity? I'm not making excuses, but did his medical condition from being a vet play a factor? I say yes it did.

Sad on so many fronts, may his children have loving arms around them for a long time.
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Old 02-29-2012, 08:51 PM
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Look at the violence and criminal activity between these two guys, then think how much more violence, criminal activity and possible deaths resulted as these pills moved to the end users. People destroyed, families destroyed all because a guy saw some quick money and a way to pay for his jaunts to his girlfriend's home.
You just said it all!
That is why people are so darned upset..........there is this underworld of drugs being sold and distributed in our society and it touches many an innocent.
I am thinking of the middle school and high school kids who go to parties and are influenced by a drug network.

In order for a drug establishment to flow regularly, you continually need new users. It can't be the same old crowd because eventually they die.

I feel stupid just saying this but for some readers it needs to be stated...so that they understand the insidiousness of drug dealers. Young people think that at the top-drug dealers are so glamorous. They watch 'drug kingpin' movies over and over like toddlers watch Disney movies over and over. You have to catch adolescents before middle school parents! Take heed.

It is all about the money......a terrible cycle.
I hope this never happens to another fireman, another boy who grew up in the Maine Woods, another wife, father, daughter, brother, son, parent etc.


The Maine State Police have all my respect.
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Old 02-29-2012, 08:52 PM
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Now THIS is a man (?) with a badge that I can respect!

These dogs are such wonderful creatures!
Oh, I SO agree!!
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Old 02-29-2012, 08:59 PM
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I'm sorry to see Jerry has been found deceased, just another victim of the Pill Mills here in FL. Just recognizing that if we stop these pill mills then the pharma companies don't make any money and that is why politics and $$$ will always own us.


http://www.thefix.com/content/what-i...nor-rick-scott
I'm inclined to think that Jerry is a victim of his own stupidity and greed.

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Old 02-29-2012, 09:00 PM
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I'd guarantee that the majority of Jerry's pills came from the VA hospital. They are notorious (at least in Florida) for providing more than enough pain killers for the average person.
Wow. I'm surprised. You'd think they'd all be the same. The VA hospitals in my area are very strict, with specific pain management contracts and frequent monitoring (drug tests), with the veterans being "kicked out" (my words) for not following the rules. But I guess there's a way around most anything. People involved in drugs can be very creative.
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Old 02-29-2012, 09:09 PM
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Amen, Dr Fessel so many lives are destroyed by drug abuse. I do feel bad for this man and all the families involved. I do question is there a consideration in one's mind while getting involved in this sort of activity? I'm not making excuses, but did his medical condition from being a vet play a factor? I say yes it did.

Sad on so many fronts, may his children have loving arms around them for a long time.
Assuming Jerry had some sort of pill problem himself:
Most prescription pill addicts do not consider it an addiction akin to cocaine, heroin, etc., because pills can be obtained via prescription/legally. I've known some pill addicts/abusers and they are usually pretty open with their use, and do not consider it a problem, but rather a "need". The doctor prescribed it, so therefore it is not a problem....they need it for whatever their issue, even if that "need" involves taking many times the prescribed dosage. They'll also usually readily offer you a pill for that headache you mentioned in passing without thinking twice.
Trafficking, IMO, is based in greed. There is alot of money to be made doing it. Although, I do think it is entirely possible that Jerry would have never trafficked, say, cocaine, but in his mind pills were "different, if you kwim...
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I'm sorry to see Jerry has been found deceased, just another victim of the Pill Mills here in FL. Just recognizing that if we stop these pill mills then the pharma companies don't make any money and that is why politics and $$$ will always own us.


http://www.thefix.com/content/what-i...nor-rick-scott
Jerry may be a victim of murder, but he was not a victim of pill mills. He was part of the the problem in that aspect.
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Jerry may be a victim of murder, but he was not a victim of pill mills. He was part of the the problem in that aspect.
I do believe you hit the nail right on the head here.
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OMG, I never realized that went for that much on the streets. I have had several surguries over the last few years and had RXs for most of those listed one time or another. Never would I have dream that had that type of value sitting in my cabinet....should have them in a safe.


"Should have them in a safe."

Yes...take out the money and jewels to make room for the Rx!
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I used to work in a hospital ER, and one individual came in complaining of pain, and doc prescribed a minimal # of pills to get through weekend or couple of days.

Shortly after pt left, local pharmacist called the ER, and this person had received the same pain meds from 5-6 different docs/specialities in the community (some were pretty large quantities) within the same month and this person was crazy enough to return to the same pharmacy to have them all filled.

Thankfully, the observant pharmacist remembered him, accessed the state database and alerted the ER and prescription was cancelled or whatever they do. No more pills that night.

Talk about bold, or should I say stupid criminal?

Guess what I'm trying to say, sometimes it's not very hard to obtain these drugs via a legal prescription within the community, and not always a pill mill.
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I wonder how this will affect his wife's benefits as a widow. We have to wait and see how the whole investigation turns out.
I hope they don't start asking for donations...........that would be beyond the pale.
Society has seen too much of that and it imparts a mixed message to the young.
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I used to work in a hospital ER, and one individual came in complaining of pain, and doc prescribed a minimal # of pills to get through weekend or couple of days.

Shortly after pt left, local pharmacist called the ER, and this person had received the same pain meds from 5-6 different docs/specialities in the community (some were pretty large quantities) within the same month and this person was crazy enough to return to the same pharmacy to have them all filled.

Thankfully, the observant pharmacist remembered him, accessed the state database and alerted the ER and prescription was cancelled or whatever they do. No more pills that night.

Talk about bold, or should I say stupid criminal?

Guess what I'm trying to say, sometimes it's not very hard to obtain these drugs via a legal prescription within the community, and not always a pill mill.
Delusional, I think. Drug addicts always think they are out-smarting everyone. Story time!
Thanks to his pill abuse, my bil ended up living with us for a time several years ago. Needless to say, the constant lying and doctor-hopping had us searching my guest room like drug dogs every time he left the house. One time, we found a ziploc bag of 400 pills that after a little search on the internet, proved to be muscle relaxers. I told my husnband "Watch - he's gonna say they are Tylenol", and he didn't disappoint! He was not going to let go of that Tylenol story if you put a gun to his head. Needless to say, I don't know too many people that would chase you down and get that upset when you flushed their Tylenol down the toilet . Addicts always think you just fell off the turnip truck, so to speak.
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Not sure why this case has captivated me so...a father, a husband, a veteran, a FF, caught up in some very bad decisions...just makes me so very sad.
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Here it is. I live in an apartment complex and there is a woman who is totally blind on pain meds. And she deals. She deals. Now I find that the asst manager has another drug for her to exchange...and it goes on and on. These people do not work-they live on local and other Government money for rent, food, meds. They sit home all day and smoke dope, deal pills at night and all day long. They go from one doctor to another, cheat on their income tax, do not pay child support, invite homeless bums onto the property, complain all day about the government and are all anti-government.
They love young people and invite them over incessantly. They represent what the young peoples parents do not-an open range.
They couldn't care less what young person they vilify or corrupt as long as the 'network' keeps working.
This why the Jerry P's of the world are EVIL.
The pills are delivered and the tearing down of families and society begin.
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