State vs. Jason Lynn Young 2-24-2012

[Boodles]

Originally Posted by Mama-cita

On another board someone was bringing up the trip back to Raleigh from Brevard the day of (after) the murder. They couldn't believe they stopped at Applebee's. That had never really sunk into me! Seriously! OMG! "Jason Young your wife has just been murdered in your home and your toddler daughter was with her dead body for hours, what are YOU going to do?" "I'ma head to Applebee's for one of them $14.99 3 course combos! Ding-dang, y'all!" Seriously shaking my head...

Wow, I was thinking about that last night during my 3AM insomnia bout.

Is it really true that before they went to Meredith's house upon returning to Raleigh, that they ATE AT APPLEBEE'S??? An Applebee's in Raleigh? BEFORE he saw Cassidy?

One other Q I was thinking about (ok there were hundreds...): What was the chronology of the 11/3 Brevard to Raleigh period phone calls? When did Jason speak to the police compared to when he spoke to Ryan Schaad, the "friend" who told him to get a lawyer? Did he take Schaad's call BEFORE speaking to LE?

[gitana1]

Originally Posted by Cammy

I guess the window of a plea deal for Jason has closed.

I often thought he should do that, take 12 years or so, with time served.

Is it called an Alford Plea, right?

Is he in custody? If so, for how long has been there?

[Mama-cita]

Originally Posted by otto

Didn't they leave Brevard around 4 PM and arrive some time around 9? It seems that two things had to be done: find a lawyer, eat. I think people need to be more careful to look after themselves after suffering a loss ... so the family would have decided that it was important to eat before going to the crime scene. After a five hour delay, what's another hour?

If I was away on business and found out my spouse had been brutally murdered and my young children were left in the house for several hours with his dead, battered body, I think FOOD would be the very LAST thing I would even think of. It wouldn't even be in the same area code of what I'd be thinking of. My primary concern would be to 1) get to my children ASAP, and 2) find out wth happened!!!! Maybe I'm a weirdo though...

[KathrynL]

Originally Posted by Cammy

You are right.
Deaver was involved at some point, the Pros just cleverly went around him by calling another witness to testify instead.

This is one of the things the defense should address along with the TOD not being more precise.

IMO

In real life, TOD is hard to pin down (unlike in books and on TV). I believe real-life ME's make their best estimate based upon both the body and information such as when the person was last known to be alive.

moo

[nursebeeme]

Originally Posted by Cammy

There was no meal at Applebee's.......unless they started serving in the parking lot.

but Cammy.. they actually do have curbside pickup

[gracielee]

Originally Posted by gitana1

Somewhat sleazy, but it doesn't mean his client confessed to him. He saw the evidence and that's how he "knew". He could broker a deal while still trying to point fingers elsewhere, without having his client tell him the truth. He would broker a deal and then submit it to his client: "The state is offering x if you lead them to the body of Danielle. I won't lie to you, this is an intense case and your chances of acquittal are slim. So I want you to think about the offer and then let me know."

But if westerfield then asked for different terms in exchange for the body, then that would be akin to a confession, in my mind. I'll have to ask my law partner how he'd deal with that.

Again, IIRC, and this case was a long time ago now, there was discussion afterwards, after the trial, about bringing Westerfields attorney up on charges due to this conduct. It was such a long time ago, but I was left with the impression the deal had gone further than 'this is what they are offering' stage. That actual negotiations were in progress for the deal. It was cut very close, that deal was about to be made when her body was discovered. At least that's the way I remember it. Do you remember more of the details? I can still picture the face of that scumbag defense lawyer.... Such a horrible case, Danielle's hair, rammed into the headboard of his bed..... And again, IIRC, wasn't this the case where the DA actually played a video found on Westerfields computer, of a child around the same age as little Danielle, being raped? I remember hearing bits of the video played in court. No one but the jury could view it, but the sound was there.

[Wolfpack]

Originally Posted by Cammy

I guess the window of a plea deal for Jason has closed.

I often thought he should do that, take 12 years or so, with time served.

Is it called an Alford Plea, right?

The window for a plea deal isn't closed until the jury comes back with a verdict.

And yes, an Alford Plea is a statement by the defendant admitting that there is enough evidence to convict him, but he maintains his innocence. The prosecutors may not be willing to allow him to "maintain innocence" in this case.

[gritguy]

So JY drives back to Raleigh, but naturally stops to eat and strategize. Naturally, what's the rush; what's another hour or so?

The situation: he house violated, his wife's battered body growing colder by the minute, his daughter rescued from the scene having seen God knows what and having wallowed in her mother's blood.

Seriously, y'all what's the rush? It's not like he stopped for putt-putt, just to grab some grub or maybe shore up how to dodge the police and protect his rights and stuff.

His act of behaving like a person with actual empathy would is always ... just ... a little ... off.

[MyBelle]

Originally Posted by octobermoon

Maybe I misunderstood. I was replying to the jury not/or never learning of AS's involvement in the Cooper case. That was all.

Did the jury learn AS was on the WINNING team and the prosecution's witness was on the losing team?

I think they should know now that the prosecution opened the door...


JMO

[Mama-cita]

Originally Posted by Boodles

Wow, I was thinking about that last night during my 3AM insomnia bout.

Is it really true that before they went to Meredith's house upon returning to Raleigh, that they ATE AT APPLEBEE'S??? An Applebee's in Raleigh? BEFORE he saw Cassidy?

One other Q I was thinking about (ok there were hundreds...): What was the chronology of the 11/3 Brevard to Raleigh period phone calls? When did Jason speak to the police compared to when he spoke to Ryan Schaad, the "friend" who told him to get a lawyer? Did he take Schaad's call BEFORE speaking to LE?

Josh Dalton testified he had received MULTIPLE phone calls from a mountain area code that he did not recognize and he let it go to voicemail, but when they persisted he figured it must be important. Obvi it was Jay. I'd imagine Mr Jason Lynn talked to a whole myriad of people before speaking to the police!!

[gorealtors]

Originally Posted by otto

Didn't they leave Brevard around 4 PM and arrive some time around 9? It seems that two things had to be done: find a lawyer, eat. I think people need to be more careful to look after themselves after suffering a loss ... so the family would have decided that it was important to eat before going to the crime scene. After a five hour delay, what's another hour?

Otto, last time I checked, no one in that family even had the notion of going to the crime scene that night. JY was asked by LE to consider doing that, but he ended up handing the phone to Mama so she could deal with LE and he could continue crying in his wittle towel.

[gritguy]

Originally Posted by Mama-cita

If I was away on business and found out my spouse had been brutally murdered and my young children were left in the house for several hours with his dead, battered body, I think FOOD would be the very LAST thing I would even think of. It wouldn't even be in the same area code of what I'd be thinking of. My primary concern would be to 1) get to my children ASAP, and 2) find out wth happened!!!! Maybe I'm a weirdo though...

Not even a delicious steak and cheese sandwich would tempt you???

Maybe a little down time to work your strategy???

Everyone responds differently of course. You might go straight there, but the guy who actually murdered his wife needs some time to make sure he won't be ambushed by law enforcement.

[MyBelle]

Originally Posted by gritguy

So JY drives back to Raleigh, but naturally stops to eat and strategize. Naturally, what's the rush; what's another hour or so?

The situation: he house violated, his wife's battered body growing colder by the minute, his daughter rescued from the scene having seen God knows what and having wallowed in her mother's blood.

Seriously, y'all what's the rush? It's not like he stopped for putt-putt, just to grab some grub or maybe shore up how to dodge the police and protect his rights and stuff.

His act of behaving like a person with actual empathy would is always ... just ... a little ... off.

There is no evidence so far that JY stopped to eat or strategize. It would be helpful if you would refrain from posting your speculation as though it is fact.

Thanks!

[nursebeeme]

Originally Posted by MyBelle

Did the jury learn AS was on the WINNING team and the prosecution's witness was on the losing team?

I think they should know now that the prosecution opened the door...


JMO

why would the jury need to know about the Brad Cooper case? For all we know some may never have even heard about it?

[gracielee]

Originally Posted by Mama-cita

If I was away on business and found out my spouse had been brutally murdered and my young children were left in the house for several hours with his dead, battered body, I think FOOD would be the very LAST thing I would even think of. It wouldn't even be in the same area code of what I'd be thinking of. My primary concern would be to 1) get to my children ASAP, and 2) find out wth happened!!!! Maybe I'm a weirdo though...

Didn't momma Pat testify that her poor sonny boy slept most of the way back to Raleigh, with his head in her lap?

[gitana1]

Originally Posted by Boodles

Wow, I was thinking about that last night during my 3AM insomnia bout.

Is it really true that before they went to Meredith's house upon returning to Raleigh, that they ATE AT APPLEBEE'S??? An Applebee's in Raleigh? BEFORE he saw Cassidy?

One other Q I was thinking about (ok there were hundreds...): What was the chronology of the 11/3 Brevard to Raleigh period phone calls? When did Jason speak to the police compared to when he spoke to Ryan Schaad, the "friend" who told him to get a lawyer? Did he take Schaad's call BEFORE speaking to LE?

Someone said they didn't actually eat there, or there was no evidence of that. Just that they met there or stopped there for some reason.

But, frankly, that's enough for me. I agree with whoever said that if that was my spouse and child, I would be hightailing it home. In my experience, and innocent person whose wife has just been murdered doesn't lawyer up, or stall, or have to regroup right on the day they hear of the crime. They are panicked and grief-stricken. Any innocent man's first priority would be to see if his kid is okay and then talk to the police, to find out if it is true. If his wife's really gone. An innocent man would be flying so fast he'd be a blur. That right there is enough to tell me this man is guilty.

[MyBelle]

Originally Posted by nursebeeme

why would the jury need to know about the Brad Cooper case? For all we know some may never have even heard about it?

I dunno, you'll have to ask the prosecution. It seems a lame attempt to project guilt by association onto Young.

JMO

[Mama-cita]

Can this thread officially be sidebar when court is not in session? We get punchy after a while! And if so, can someone please buy me a drink!!! Or a chocolate mousse shooter. All this applebee's talk has got me hungry!!

[Cammy]

Originally Posted by nursebeeme

but Cammy.. they actually do have curbside pickup

Lol, really.

Well, there we go, then !!

I don't like it there, only The Outback for me !!

[MyBelle]

Originally Posted by gitana1

Someone said they didn't actually eat there, or there was no evidence of that. Just that they met there or stopped there for some reason.

But, frankly, that's enough for me. I agree with whoever said that if that was my spouse and child, I would be hightailing it home. In my experience, and innocent person whose wife has just been murdered doesn't lawyer up, or stall, or have to regroup right on the day they hear of the crime. They are panicked and grief-stricken. Any innocent man's first priority would be to see if his kid is okay and then talk to the police, to find out if it is true. If his wife's really gone. An innocent man would be flying so fast he'd be a blur. That right there is enough to tell me this man is guilty.

There hasn't been any testimony at this trial about any stop at a restaurant.

It came in testimony at the last trial and evidently the jury accepted the explanation as they voted 8-4 not guilty.

JMO

[octobermoon]

Originally Posted by Mama-cita

Can this thread officially be sidebar when court is not in session? We get punchy after a while! And if so, can someone please buy me a drink!!! Or a chocolate mousse shooter. All this applebee's talk has got me hungry!!

*passes Mama a popsickle (all I have, my cure for hot flashes LOL)

[gracielee]

Originally Posted by Mama-cita

Can this thread officially be sidebar when court is not in session? We get punchy after a while! And if so, can someone please buy me a drink!!! Or a chocolate mousse shooter. All this applebee's talk has got me hungry!!

Would you like a glass of chardonnay? Or vodka & cranberry juice? I haven't decided which yet myself.

[gitana1]

Originally Posted by gracielee

Again, IIRC, and this case was a long time ago now, there was discussion afterwards, after the trial, about bringing Westerfields attorney up on charges due to this conduct. It was such a long time ago, but I was left with the impression the deal had gone further than 'this is what they are offering' stage. That actual negotiations were in progress for the deal. It was cut very close, that deal was about to be made when her body was discovered. At least that's the way I remember it. Do you remember more of the details? I can still picture the face of that scumbag defense lawyer.... Such a horrible case, Danielle's hair, rammed into the headboard of his bed..... And again, IIRC, wasn't this the case where the DA actually played a video found on Westerfields computer, of a child around the same age as little Danielle, being raped? I remember hearing bits of the video played in court. No one but the jury could view it, but the sound was there.

You know what, I do recall something about that. I guess he was more than just a little sleazy then.

And my gosh, I sure as heck remember that tape. It was aired on KFI and I was not expecting it. It was the child porn found on his computer and was the sound of a child crying as she was being raped by the grunting man on top of her. It horrified me so badly, came as a real shock as I drove home from work or to lunch, because it was so unexpected. They gave no warning. I've seen some other, horrific things in connection with kiddie porn cases. I will never forget any of them as long as I live and I wish I had never seen or heard any of it.

[Cammy]

Someone asked about why Beth Karras was not in Raleigh the last few days !!

Looks like she is up here with me , in Jersey, she is now covering
the Tyler Clementi trial, the student suicide case at Rutgers.

His roommate set up a webcam to humiliate him, and Tyler jumped
from the GW bridge.

So, Beth has left the Young case to come here.
Small world.

Should I go tell her we all want her back on this case?

[octobermoon]

Originally Posted by gracielee

Didn't momma Pat testify that her poor sonny boy slept most of the way back to Raleigh, with his head in her lap?

I just watched her testimony last night. Her answer was very careful. She said his eyes were closed, but she wasn't sure if he was alseep.