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Old 02-26-2012, 07:09 PM
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Yes, grit, what gets me the most is the factual misrepresentation I see here by a certain poster every day. Not sure if it is just complete misunderstanding of the case facts or by design to mislead new posters, not as familiar with the case.
I often wonder about clones here lately.
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:11 PM
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Perhaps where the killer leaves no DNA evidence at the scene, the police should just not pursue the killer. Maybe they can treat it as a reward to the killer for being so good a committing a crime with little evidence? Uh, I don't think so.
It happens though. The Jenna Nielsen case(delivering newspapers and was stabbed at the gas station on Lake Wheeler Rd in Raleigh) comes to mind. I actually thought of that case when I heard about Michelle's murder - I think it's still unsolved.

Also there was DNA in this case, it just doesn't match JY.
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:16 PM
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Nope, just in general speaking of people, including those at GOLO, some scary people out there.
I don't want to know them any better if just reading their posts is this frightening or an insight as to who they are.
Have a good trip.
I will post my Reasonable Doubt or NG list later.

Thanks - GOLO is a disaster I agree!

See y'all later (I cheated and came back!)
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:17 PM
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It happens though. The Jenna Nielsen case(delivering newspapers and was stabbed at the gas station on Lake Wheeler Rd in Raleigh) comes to mind. I actually thought of that case when I heard about Michelle's murder - I think it's still unsolved.

Also there was DNA in this case, it just doesn't match JY.
Fromageball........

Good to see you.

There has never been anyone arrested in the Neilsen case, and plenty of unidentified dna in this case.

I hope the defense is ready to tackle it all this week and leaves nothing to chance.

Wish I had a cheat sheet on their witness list..
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:19 PM
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Yes, I understand what the DT argument could be. I just don't see how some people mention the size 10 shoes and immediately follow with the thought that inserts doubt that JY was there. I just don't see how it does that at all.

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The problem with the size 10 shoes is that since there are missing pieces in the case, as a juror that would lead me to wonder whether, if we had all of the information, the entire picture would change. That may not make sense, but if I were a juror in this case it would be very difficult because I feel like I do not have enough information to know whether or not JY committed the murder, and that would leave me with reasonable doubt regarding a verdict. (speaking for myself only, the hush puppy prints do not seal the deal for me)

That is one of the major holes in the case from the first trial that was not patched up in the second.

I think the two sets of shoe prints are a big part of why there was a hung jury in the last trial. We can rationalize away on here that JY wore them both or whatever, but I don't think a jury is going to speculate like that. I do realize that the jury can conclude that JY was there and that they just don't know who the other person was - and in that case the jury might accept that the hush puppy prints belonged to JY and not worry about the other prints.

JMO
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:20 PM
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Good thing you weren't here yesterday, then GG.

Luckily, you missed the discussion of whether Shelly Schaad said she was scared that nite and felt someone was watching them.!
We had to post, link, timestamp her testimony on video saying that over and over again and it was still called into question.
Very well may have been because some joined the party late and were just catching up with comments from the day. Not everyone can afford the time to spend reading and posting comments as they are posted.
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:20 PM
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It happens though. The Jenna Nielsen case(delivering newspapers and was stabbed at the gas station on Lake Wheeler Rd in Raleigh) comes to mind. I actually thought of that case when I heard about Michelle's murder - I think it's still unsolved.

Also there was DNA in this case, it just doesn't match JY.
There is DNA from the killer in the Neisen case....stabbed for cash at a gas station on the edge of town.
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:25 PM
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I often wonder about clones here lately.
Agree - what you said!!!!
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:27 PM
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The problem with the size 10 shoes is that since there are missing pieces in the case, as a juror that would lead me to wonder whether, if we had all of the information, the entire picture would change. That may not make sense, but if I were a juror in this case it would be very difficult because I feel like I do not have enough information to know whether or not JY committed the murder, and that would leave me with reasonable doubt regarding a verdict. (speaking for myself only, the hush puppy prints do not seal the deal for me)

That is one of the major holes in the case from the first trial that was not patched up in the second.

I think the two sets of shoe prints are a big part of why there was a hung jury in the last trial. We can rationalize away on here that JY wore them both or whatever, but I don't think a jury is going to speculate like that. I do realize that the jury can conclude that JY was there and that they just don't know who the other person was - and in that case the jury might accept that the hush puppy prints belonged to JY and not worry about the other prints.

JMO
No way, imo, Jason had 2 pair of shoes on in different sizes .
2 people were in that house.
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There is DNA from the killer in the Neisen case....stabbed for cash at a gas station on the edge of town.
Yeah with that one I just meant that to my knowledge it's still unsolved.
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:29 PM
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The problem with the size 10 shoes is that since there are missing pieces in the case, as a juror that would lead me to wonder whether, if we had all of the information, the entire picture would change. That may not make sense, but if I were a juror in this case it would be very difficult because I feel like I do not have enough information to know whether or not JY committed the murder, and that would leave me with reasonable doubt regarding a verdict. (speaking for myself only, the hush puppy prints do not seal the deal for me)

That is one of the major holes in the case from the first trial that was not patched up in the second.

I think the two sets of shoe prints are a big part of why there was a hung jury in the last trial. We can rationalize away on here that JY wore them both or whatever, but I don't think a jury is going to speculate like that.

JMO
I don't have to speculate anything about the size 10 prints. The fact that JY's prints are there, along with all the other evidence proves to me he did it. The size 10 prints do not erase the size 12 prints. No evidence has been presented to explain the 10 prints so for the jury to think up a scenario surrounding those prints to exonerate JY is speculation.
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:31 PM
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Also there was DNA in this case, it just doesn't match JY.
One DNA test on the jewelry box-partial profile 2/16 markers, jy could not be excluded.

Another by LabCorp. 4 /16 markers, mixture of more than one. Excluded MY & JY.


Jay's DNA was all over the sheet-rock, in low areas near the beating.
Where was any other unmatched DNA at this crime scene?
With that horrific scene, I would expect the killer to deposit his DNA in multiple places..... and he did.
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:33 PM
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No way, imo, Jason had 2 pair of shoes there in different sizes .
2 people were in that house.
For some reason the second part of that didn't show up, but I agree. Based on the evidence there is nothing to conclude that one person made both sets of the prints, so the jury would probably assume that there were two people.

Whether or not they conclude that JY was there or that the two sets create reasonable doubt remains to be seen.
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:34 PM
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My name is Gil and my surname begins with T, hence my nick, nothing to do with guilt or innocence of anyone.

I like to keep an open mind and I haven't decided on g or ng, however, am leaning towards guilty. Too many coincidences coupled with one of the most telling and compelling things in this case which is JY behavior immediately after learning of his wifes murder, imo is beyond peculiar and a huge deciding factor when the evidence is weighed collectively.
Hi Gil, I was just trying to be funny w/ your ws name. I should have added LOL. Obviously, you're not going to feel guilty on every case in ws.

just being silly. i agree w/ you about JY's behavior & all the coincidences
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:35 PM
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I would think the idea being there's no evidence of who he would have been there with?

Clearly it doesn't diminish the other shoes having been there.

If ONLY the HP orbitals had left prints, I wonder if it would have changed any minds. If not, the Franklins don't really play in.

If I were the DT, I would make the point that the PT wants you to take evidence at face value, common sense. Fair enough. There are two sets of shoe prints there. Even if one were a set JY still had, the PT has not shown ANYONE he could or would have partnered up with. His every call and e-mail has been displayed, and no suggestion is made that anyone he communicated with could have helped him. Therefore, common sense says whoever the two killers were would not have included JY, because the evidence shows he didn't coordinate with anyone or have a partner.

I don't buy that, but I could see that line of thinking and argument.
2 random killers who did not leave prints anywhere in the house but the master bedroom...that's a really neat trick.
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I don't have to speculate anything about the size 10 prints. The fact that JY's prints are there, along with all the other evidence proves to me he did it. The size 10 prints do not erase the size 12 prints. No evidence has been presented to explain the 10 prints so for the jury to think up a scenario surrounding those prints to exonerate JY is speculation.
Right, I think in the first trial the jury was instructed that they could still return a guilty verdict even if they concluded that there were two attackers, but that JY was one of them.
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What DNA exactly?

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It happens though. The Jenna Nielsen case(delivering newspapers and was stabbed at the gas station on Lake Wheeler Rd in Raleigh) comes to mind. I actually thought of that case when I heard about Michelle's murder - I think it's still unsolved.

Also there was DNA in this case, it just doesn't match JY.
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For some reason the second part of that didn't show up, but I agree. Based on the evidence there is nothing to conclude that one person made both sets of the prints, so the jury would probably assume that there were two people.

Whether or not they conclude that JY was there or that the two sets create reasonable doubt remains to be seen.

Yes, it does........which is exactly what 8 of the last jurors must have had problems with.

The other prints need to be dealt with, even if it means the Pros asks
Jason to try the size 10 Franklins on.....or, :drum roll: maybe that is what the defense has in mind.
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Obviously he would have to get gas. Proving where is not critical, just like they know he bout 9 more gallons but could not get confirmation where.
We heard about the King gas stop for the first time in May 2011.
That evidence is not crucial for a conviction.,,,just gravy, imo
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I must disagree.

The ME put her TOD as being between 12:00am - 6:00am.

That means that this murder could of occurred at any point during this time. LE and the PT came up with a theory then worked to gather evidence to support this theory of which many believe to be what has happened.

They find a witness whom has memory issues, has changed her story a number of times specifically the ability to describe JY as being the individual that came into the gas station.

In the hearing she could not even describe if he was bald etc.

Her testimony and the ability of LE/PT to back this up is critical.
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I don't have to speculate anything about the size 10 prints. The fact that JY's prints are there, along with all the other evidence proves to me he did it. The size 10 prints do not erase the size 12 prints. No evidence has been presented to explain the 10 prints so for the jury to think up a scenario surrounding those prints to exonerate JY is speculation.
There is NO proof that the size 12 shoe belong to JY, if this was true he would have been convicted in the first trial. If the size 12 shoe could have been proved to belong to JY he would have been arrested long before he was.The size 12 shoe was NOT identified to belong to JY this time in trial #2. This along with the fact there is NO proof JY bought extra gas will in MOO bring a NG in this trial. We will just have to wait until this jury hears all the evidence and what verdict they will return.
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The prosecution does not need to have every single piece to the puzzle (only the killer has that). They only need enough pieces for the jury to see what the puzzle shows. Hopefully, they can see that the puzzle pieces the prosecution have put together make it clear that it shows that JY is guilty.

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2 random killers who did not leave prints anywhere in the house but the master bedroom...that's a really neat trick.
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I must disagree.

The ME put her TOD as being between 12:00am - 6:00am.

That means that this murder could of occurred at any point during this time. LE and the PT came up with a theory then worked to gather evidence to support this theory of which many believe to be what has happened.

They find a witness whom has memory issues, has changed her story a number of times specifically the ability to describe JY as being the individual that came into the gas station.

In the hearing she could not even describe if he was bald etc.

Her testimony and the ability of LE/PT to back this up is critical.
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Nope, just in general speaking of people, including those at GOLO, some scary people out there.
I don't want to know them any better if just reading their posts is this frightening or an insight as to who they are.
Have a good trip.
I will post my Reasonable Doubt or NG list later.

What is GOLO?
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There is NO proof that the size 12 shoe belong to JY, if this was true he would have been convicted in the first trial. If the size 12 shoe could have been proved to belong to JY he would have been arrested long before he was.The size 12 shoe was NOT identified to belong to JY this time in trial #2. This along with the fact there is NO proof JY bought extra gas will in MOO bring a NG in this trial. We will just have to wait until this jury hears all the evidence and what verdict they will return.
JY owned a size 12 pair of HP Orbitals (verified by receipt). A bloody shoe print of size 12 pair of orbitals was found at the crime scene. There were only 195 size 12 orbitals sold worldwide. 1+1=2......
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There is NO proof that the size 12 shoe belong to JY, if this was true he would have been convicted in the first trial. If the size 12 shoe could have been proved to belong to JY he would have been arrested long before he was.The size 12 shoe was NOT identified to belong to JY this time in trial #2. This along with the fact there is NO proof JY bought extra gas will in MOO bring a NG in this trial. We will just have to wait until this jury hears all the evidence and what verdict they will return.
Another hung jury will work......
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