IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #27

[PlainJaneDoe]

Originally Posted by Janeumayer

Is the location of the unidentified body on the way to Indianapolis?

I think it might be in the opposite direction as Indianapolis.

[Jupiter812]

Originally Posted by Janeumayer

Is the location of the unidentified body on the way to Indianapolis?

No. The location is west of Btown and Indy is north. The location is en route to St. Louis though; it's about halfway between Indy and St. Louis which may be of interest to those who have been following regional disappearances.

I wonder if the bones are decomposed badly or if the state of Illinois is backlogged with ID cases or other? I know nothing about this.

[Jupiter812]

Just a wee bit more to add this morning...

The entity that is doing the DNA testing is state of Illinois Crime Lab http://www.whas11.com/news/local/DNA...145859735.html.

And, the Spierer family posted on their FB page of "official updates" today, which they do only occasionally:

"Always in our hearts. Always in our thoughts. NEVER giving up. We love you, Lauren. Mom, Dad and Rebecca"

I believe this is the first time that testing for Lauren's DNA has been announced, so I can't help speculating even though the remains could be any one of hundreds of missing persons. Given the location and proximity to I-70, I'm inclined to give abduction a higher probability. OTOH any drug dealer or friend/associate of a drug dealer could know of this location, and for that matter, so could any "friend." Thoughts?

[akh]

Could be the media speculating a little too much. It is interesting though if the remains couldn't be more quickly excluded as belonging to LS. Could only be a partial find I guess because you'd think dental records would quickly come into play. As well as size. Apparently, for whatever reason, they can't exclude the remains as not being LS though.

Did any of the known PsOI have the means to have driven that far and returned in their known timeframes? Do any of them have connections with that area or that stretch of interstate?

I'm just guessing, and I have no idea what the statistics say, but I'd think for the known PsOI they wouldn't want to drive that far to dispose of a body because they wouldn't want that long of a gap in their whereabouts. Not only would they be exposing themselves to a wide stretch of road and any number of unexpected occurrences that could involve the authorities (speeding, accident, other ticket...) but they'd create a large hole in their schedule they'd potentially need an alibi for. Let alone being seen out and about when they returned to town that morning. And lastly, you'd think cell pings would've immediately set off redflags if any of them had ventured that far from Bloomington that morning. I have my doubts any of them would've intentionally left without their phone or thought to remove the battery.

So... yeah... If the remains are LS then random abduction would go higher up the list unless there's something the authorities have with pings and the PsOI (and their circle) we don't know about.

[Jupiter812]

Oh dear. I was starting to look at close-up maps when I came across this article from March 12 about the find. It includes some details I've not read before. So heartbreaking to consider no matter who it is.

http://mywabashvalley.com/fulltext?nxd_id=236762

[Darcyline]

I just cannot believe this would be her, but that is probably the part of me speaking who really doesn't want this to be her. I am also interested that they are having to wait for DNA to prove it either way. Usually some clothing or the general size/hair left/gender or dentals seal the deal a lot faster. I wonder if it was a partial find or if it really is a smallish female and that is why they cannot rule her out immediately.
Not sure what I believe this means for the investigation if it is her. Would depend on pings, previous history, schedules, etc. I know some of the potential POIs left very soon after her abduction and I have always thought that more people were involved than just one person so it doesn't rule out someone she knows being involved at all for me.
I also wonder what the "other evidence" is-hopefully some sort of nice little DNA from the suspect wrapped up somehow.
If it isn't Lauren it is someone though Sad.

[Jacobite]

Originally Posted by Jupiter812

Oh dear. I was starting to look at close-up maps when I came across this article from March 12 about the find. It includes some details I've not read before. So heartbreaking to consider no matter who it is.

http://mywabashvalley.com/fulltext?nxd_id=236762

If this is Lauren? I think the BPD had the wrong POIs.
If they have the right POIs? This is not Lauren.

This was a gruesome murder.

[Alliecog]

I don't know, I feel like it could be Lauren and the POIs could have been involved somehow. We're not too far from the location, relatively speaking. Heading west 100 miles doesn't seem like it's too far out of the realm of possibility if a body needed to be disposed of. I hope it's Lauren, we're coming up on Passover this week which is a major Jewish family holiday. I hate being away from home, but at least I have the option to be with my family for Passover.

[Darcyline]

100 miles round trip could take 3 hours. It is further than I imagined, but not out of the realm of possibility. Let's say she is gone by 4 and then a trip would have someone back by 7-8. Is it impossible that they wouldn't be seen? No cameras would catch them. People?
It would take some luck, but I won't dismiss it outright especially since I am not sure what we know about the POIs. Technically, we don't even know the majority of the POIs known to LE. I have heard conflicting reports on who had guests, how many, alibis, travel schedules, and whether certain individuals had cars or not for the POIs we have named.
If this is her I am praying someone was dumb enough to leave some sort of evidence that was somehow maintained over the last year. Like, DNA left behind from someone who has a record of some sort and is already in the system would be nice. That, or LE knows something we don't that would implicate someone.

I guess we wait for official results now. Someone's family should get closure from this though.

[akh]

Originally Posted by Jacobite

This was a gruesome murder.

What are you basing that on?

[cluciano63]

The fact that they state they did find additional evidence, and are still considering that Lauren cannot be ruled out is kind of scary...not sure if it is telling or not, but it is a more serious possibility, IMO...

[akh]

http://www.wthr.com/story/17322804/b...lts-on-il-body

It is not LS according to the above...

[Jupiter812]

The condition in which a loved one or a loved one's remains is found...how horrific it would be for the kin. I'm glad the Spierer's didn't have to get this news, but so, so sad for the family. I hope it wasn't a child.

[Ros]

The remains are those of a male. BPD could still be interested since Joey Giza might have been in that area.
http://projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=10467.0

[Jacobite]

Originally Posted by Ros

The remains are those of a male. BPD could still be interested since Joey Giza might have been in that area.
http://projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=10467.0

Wow! I must admit that I found your post difficult to believe at first. But, this
guy was hitch hiking to Illinois from Bloomington. So, it is quite possible.
Also, interesting, he was into the Moe, Leftover, Dead, Phish scene. Wonder
who were his friends in Bloomington? He went missing almost exactly 2 years before Lauren Spierer.

[Darcyline]

Good to have confirmation. Hope they identify who it is so someone can have closure soon.

[imkeylime]

Thinking of Lauren as another holiday passes and hoping for some closure for her family and friends. IDK what I wished for in terms of the unidentified body, TBH. At this point, I guess I just wish for a solid lead. PS: Hello to all!

[Jupiter812]

Originally Posted by imkeylime

Thinking of Lauren as another holiday passes and hoping for some closure for her family and friends. IDK what I wished for in terms of the unidentified body, TBH. At this point, I guess I just wish for a solid lead. PS: Hello to all!

Another holiday passes and the next milestone is the end of the semester and graduation for some. Doesn't it seem like just yesterday that we were all abuzz about all the boys returning in fall?!

Hi back to you...hope you're having a fine springtime.

[Jupiter812]

Originally Posted by Jacobite

Wow! I must admit that I found your post difficult to believe at first. But, this
guy was hitch hiking to Illinois from Bloomington. So, it is quite possible.
Also, interesting, he was into the Moe, Leftover, Dead, Phish scene. Wonder
who were his friends in Bloomington? He went missing almost exactly 2 years before Lauren Spierer.

FWIW I went back and read the original IDS article and they do not name his friends. I didn't find him here on WS either.

[OldSteve]

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Originally Posted by Jupiter812

Another holiday passes and the next milestone is the end of the semester and graduation for some. Doesn't it seem like just yesterday that we were all abuzz about all the boys returning in fall?!

Yes! Times flies by. I would have thought if any of the POI's were involved something would have been picked up by the PI's by now... but maybe it was a case of extreme luck for them, otherwise I'm thinking something random, or crime of opportunity... (Doesn't leave much else, unless you believe in alien abduction )

[Mophebius]

Originally Posted by OldSteve

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Yes! Times flies by. I would have thought if any of the POI's were involved something would have been picked up by the PI's by now... but maybe it was a case of extreme luck for them, otherwise I'm thinking something random, or crime of opportunity... (Doesn't leave much else, unless you believe in alien abduction )

I respectfully disagree with this likely being a random abduction or crime of opportunity. I have posted several times about this on here. I believe that LE has the right POI's, in all likelyhood there's probably more likely 2 or 3 unamed suspects that BPD have been zeroed in on for quite sometime now. I believe that the fact that we haven't had an arrest or arrests in this case as of yet has vastly more to do with a lack of body (tangible forensic evidence), motive and or issues of provability without a body in the case, than it has to do with a complete lack of direction by investigator's. Pretty hard to derive new information though from people who are stone-walling behind high priced legal council.


Now I am not a detective, nor a prosecutor, or any kind of expert when it comes to such things, but based on what we know of the nights events, timing, circumstances, unique variables and probability. I would say that there is a very very slim chance that this was done by a complete stanger/ random abduction senario, maybe about a 1 percent chance that the perp/perps isn't already known to LE and investigators, but as with any case of this nature they are notoriously difficult to solve without a body or clear tangible evidence.

Regardless of any of this, lets hope for a break in the case and closure for the friends and family soon!

Happy Easter Lauren!

[OldSteve]

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Originally Posted by Mophebius

I respectfully disagree with this likely being a random abduction or crime of opportunity.....

Enjoyed reading your thoughts on this!
Problem I have with the POI's is motive, though something accidental could have happened.
The majority of abductions involve sex, especially when there is no husband involved in a divorce, control freak boyfriend, etc....

[Jacobite]

I really wanted to believe the POI's were innocent. But, they refused to sit down with Lauren's parents. This was so cruel that it has made them look suspicious. And, yes they do have motive. Lauren Spierer was moving on with her life and was telling a whole group of people good-bye. JEALOUSY, Lauren had some real connections. She was majoring in fashion for a reason. It was no joke. I promise she was not going to be working in the women's clothing department at Walmart. She was reaching for the top and was going to make it. Now, I can't say for sure that all the fighting and drama that went on the last 2 weeks before June 3 has anything to do with her disappearance? But, it just might.
I hope her family finds the answers very soon and that Lauren gets to go home and those responsible for this go to prison for a long time.

[Darcyline]

Motive is a tricky thing for me. We don't know everything that was happening behind closed doors and there is also no way to know if one of them is a closet psycho. Not every person with violent or sadistic tendencies shows it especially since all the POIs (at least that we know of) are really young. This isn't a 55 year old that may have suddenly snapped, but 18-22 year olds.
But, of course, there could be some other circumstances that may have led to this happening without the person necessarily being a sadistic psychopath. We just don't know and both types of cases have happened before.

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I think most people have eliminated this as a possibility, but I still think it is possible she ODed and the perp didn't speak up because he gave her drugs, he roofied her, and/or they had sex so he knew it was or would look like rape. I think most people think a man would just call the cops or an ambulance in that situation, but it may look differently to a young 20 something guy who has just sold cocaine, roofied someone, and/or had sex with her right before she died. I would actually LOVE to eliminate this possibility because it literally makes me that angry to think about, but I still think it is one possibility among many.

[imkeylime]

Originally Posted by Darcyline

Motive is a tricky thing for me. We don't know everything that was happening behind closed doors and there is also no way to know if one of them is a closet psycho. Not every person with violent or sadistic tendencies shows it especially since all the POIs (at least that we know of) are really young. This isn't a 55 year old that may have suddenly snapped, but 18-22 year olds.
But, of course, there could be some other circumstances that may have led to this happening without the person necessarily being a sadistic psychopath. We just don't know and both types of cases have happened before.

Mildly graphic content in this next part so skip if you want
I think most people have eliminated this as a possibility, but I still think it is possible she ODed and the perp didn't speak up because he gave her drugs, he roofied her, and/or they had sex so he knew it was or would look like rape. I think most people think a man would just call the cops or an ambulance in that situation, but it may look differently to a young 20 something guy who has just sold cocaine, roofied someone, and/or had sex with her right before she died. I would actually LOVE to eliminate this possibility because it literally makes me that angry to think about, but I still think it is one possibility among many.

Sometimes (including now) I wonder if the perp here isn't someone once removed, i.e., someone who knew the primary POIs but isn't one. For example, maybe someone in the group who accosted CR at SW wasn't doing it on JW's behalf, but because he himself was interested in LS. If that was the case, that person might have ended up at 5 North, wondering what LS was doing with CR, and waited. I realize this is speculative, but I still wonder what the motivation behind the fight at SW was all about. Did someone dislike CR because he cheated someone out of $$$, for example, or because he was hitting on LS? I've heard rumors of the latter, but why not just call JW if it was about LS and him?