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I certainly think he was suspected, and followed because he was Black.
I don't think that's why he was killed. I believe he was killed because GZ was in fact in real danger of serious injury or death.
And that's it, in a nutshell. For all the discussions of whether it's right to follow someone, what the reasons were the GZ suspected Trayvon of wrongdoing, all those things are extraneous details IMHO.
The nutshell. Did GZ have reason to believe he was in serious danger at the moment he pulled his gun and shot Trayvon? I say it's likely.
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Nope , do not buy that. He shot him in the rage after he got a bloody nose.
And the way that insane law is written, you shoot to kill. Can not leave a witness behind that could contradict your self defense story.
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I think you're very wise to stay home. Al Sharpton may have a presence, and people, who can help focus the peaceful rally for change, but when the New Black Panther Party shows up with Wanted: Zimmerman Alive or Dead signs, I don't think any of the ralliers are safe there.
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Really? Not being snarky but really?
I hope the protest is peaceful. This is about justice for a 17 year old kid named Trayvon Martin who was shot dead. I hope and pray this quest for justice is not smeared by violent acts or wild wild west WANTED posters.
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brought in for questioning, his car wasn't searched, his gun wasn't taken or tested, he wasn't drug or alcohol tested despite finding him with a gun after killing an unarmed boy walking back home to his family.
This seems like the most blatantly incompetent excuse for an investigation I've ever heard of. It almost defies belief. I've never heard of anyone involved in a shooting that is not interrogated afterward-this guy just takes his gun and goes merrily on his way.
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None of us know any of these things, except in fact they did demand his gun and he willingly gave it to them.
We don't know what testing was done for drugs or alcohol. The test surely could have been done. Why would his car need to be searched? I don't think there is anyone at all who thinks the car was involved in this.
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Hyperbole aside, the phone didn't pick up everything that happened. I doubt he would have called LE if he were out to stalk him like prey.
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In Zimmerman's own 911 call he admits to going after Tray to the dispatch officer. We know what happened next, Trayvon was dead just minutes later.
I'll just agree that we disagree on this one. 
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Really? Not being snarky but really?
I hope the protest is peaceful. This is about justice for a 17 year old kid named Trayvon Martin who was shot dead. I hope and pray this quest for justice is not smeared by violent acts or wild wild west WANTED posters.
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Do you not find that sign a clear threat on Zimmerman's life? Do you think they chose that wording to be kind of funny and nostalgic?
No. That's a threat.
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03-22-2012, 07:39 PM
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Hyperbole aside, the phone didn't pick up everything that happened. I doubt he would have called LE if he were out to stalk him like prey.
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Then what was his justification for following TM which no evidence that TM had committed a crime? LE asked him not to pursue and he did. This happened because GZ pursued TM and did not know if there was even a crime. If GZ stayed in his car and waited for LE it never would have happened. There was no personal crime against GZ, none he could report, nothing, he had no legal right to go after someone without just cause. GZ had none at the time he was in his truck. His cause was he didn't want this guy to get away when there was no proof TM did anything wrong. Plus TM could have bolted and out run the guy and didn't do that he just tried to walk faster. I'm a woman and had this happened to me where someone did not identify themselves and started to follow me it would scare the holy "you know what" out of me. And if there were something lying on the ground that could be used as a weapon I'd have picked it up to protect myself and would have been shot in the process.
I think the Grand Jury will do their job we just have to wait for it. jmo
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Perhaps Zimmerman did feel his life was in danger, and was screaming "NO, NO, HELP, NO, HELP!" because he kwew he was armed, and was desperately hoping some one else would intervene before he had to resort with deadly force. I know I would want to try all alternatives before I killed some one, even in self defense.
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Tray can be heard on a recording screaming "HELP!" less than a second before Zimmerman shot him dead.
Does that mean that you think Tray was beating Zimmerman up to the point that Zimmerman felt his life was in danger....but all the while that Tray is supposedly beating the crap out of Zimmerman he is screaming "NO, NO, HELP, NO, HELP!"
Interesting viewpoint....and I can't even fathom it.
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Last time I checked, my 17-year-old niece is still a child? She's still in High School. She can not vote. She can not buy cigarettes. She lives at home. She has a job where she is protected under "Child Labor Laws." I can go on and on.
17-years-old is still a child.
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Perhaps Zimmerman did feel his life was in danger, and was screaming "NO, NO, HELP, NO, HELP!" because he kwew he was armed, and was desperately hoping some one else would intervene before he had to resort with deadly force. I know I would want to try all alternatives before I killed some one, even in self defense.
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He quickly ruled out the best alternative, which was to stay in his CAR!
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Last time I checked, my 17-year-old niece is still a child? She's still in High School. She can not vote. She can not buy cigarettes. She lives at home. She has a job where she is protected under "Child Labor Laws." I can go on and on.
17-years-old is still a child.
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Apparently not to some LolaMoon.
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And how was the phone locked if he was just on it mere moments before his murder?
Doesn't your phone lock after you shut it down?
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Some do after a certain time after being dropped, closed or so... It always depends how you personally set it up with security password.... But even if... In my opinion the should have been able to do so with the technic nowadays ... But as I said I am not sure what we really can take for real what comes from LE Sanford ...
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Do you not find that sign a clear threat on Zimmerman's life? Do you think they chose that wording to be kind of funny and nostalgic?
No. That's a threat.
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Sorry I'm not watching the rally. Is there really a sign that says that? TIA
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YES! Special prosecutor appointed!!!!!
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I hope they're not calling to report a suspicious black person.
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I have called police when I have seen people in my neighborhood first thing they ask is Description of person,when I have said height,average build they ask me Race.It is how they identify who I am calling about.
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Prosecutor has just resigned they are bringing in a new prosecutor from Jacksonville
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Last time I checked, my 17-year-old niece is still a child? She's still in High School. She can not vote. She can not buy cigarettes. She lives at home. She has a job where she is protected under "Child Labor Laws." I can go on and on.
17-years-old is still a child.
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Yes....especially when you consider that he was just two weeks past 16......
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Sorry I'm not watching the rally. Is there really a sign that says that? TIA
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I'm not able to watch it either - I read it in the text of an article about the rally that was posted in this forum.
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The Castle Doctrine does not apply. It is the "Stand Your Ground" law that does. Stand Your Ground laws, which eliminate the longstanding legal requirement that a person threatened outside of his or her own home retreat rather than use force.
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It takes two people to have a fight. The minute GZ disobeyed directions from LE to hold his position until LE arrived he took matters into his own hands and essentially he caused the incident. How do you go from a perfectly innocent person walking to his family's condo into a planned assault by this young man? He was on he phone with a witness who said he was trying to get away from this man. GZ carried a gun and pursued him.
Maybe someone should have warned this so called "aggressive teen" not to bring a bottle of ice tea to a gun fight.
Plus GZ was not in his home. He was in what is referred to in gated communities as a common area. GZ wasn't even on his own property so how does the castle law even a consideration. How many times do police officers tell citizens not to take the law into your own hands? Call LE and let them handle it. GZ chose not to do that with deadly results. jmo
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Some do after a certain time after being dropped, closed or so... It always depends how you personally set it up with security password.... But even if... In my opinion the should have been able to do so with the technic nowadays ... But as I said I am not sure what we really can take for real what comes from LE Sanford ...
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I agree about what comes out of SPD but have we seen where they actually said it?
Wasn't Tray's family first told by police that they didn't have Tray's phone?
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There was just one shot fired from GZ's gun and LE did seize the gun.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nat...,6101817.story
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Prosecutor has just resigned they are bringing in a new prosecutor from Jacksonville
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That's good news. I really think being transparent, and working with the public is what is needed here. And move up that GJ hearing if possible.
Move things forward, and be transparent about it.
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Yes, well, you can tell from the 911 call that he did not simply approach TM and ask "Excuse me young sir, but might I ask what your business is tonight?"
he did NOT say, I am with neighborhood watch why are you here?
The girlfriend was pretty clear when she demonstrated what she heard which was a pretty belligerant "WHAT ARE YOU DOING AROUND HERE?"
If he wanted to and thought he could resolve things peacefully then his method truly sucks....and yes following someone and asking what they are doing in a certain way is in fact an aggressive act, and gives every indication that you want to start a physical fight.
My personal opinion is that everything that I have heard leads me to believe that he had every intention of starting a physical fight, and he wasn't afraid because after all he had a gun.
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I don't know if he was belligerent when he asked Trayvon what he was doing and it makes no sense for a guy with a gun to go start a fist fight.
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And only one shot is heard on 911 tapes.
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