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But why not just get out of the car regardless? Derstine asks. "I don't know how my mind was working," McClintic says
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McClintic says she asked Tori if she needed to use the bathroom, to give her a reason to take her into the Tims and ask for help
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"In my mind, I believed I was not going to let anything bad happen," McClintic says. "I thought I would protect her."
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So far Derstine doesn't seem to be disputing the fact that MR was driving the car at the school or at HD.
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McClintic ordered a green tea at the Tim Hortons
NECRO and Green Tea made her do it.  
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Derstine asks McClintic why she didn't approach someone at the Home Depot while buying the hammer
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"There's a cowering child in the back seat of your car, how is it you're coming up with the idea that a tea would be just lovely?" Derstine
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I don't care to. In those days that music was considered devil music, IMO. Yes perhaps NECRO is a lot more violent but I'd like to know what the statistics are that music caused someone to murder a child.
Not very many is my bet, if any.
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Agreed, again IMO, only if one is unstable to begin with and grasping on the the silly, yes, silly lyrics, that is all they are... I went thru the Hip Hop era with both my male and female kids back in the day, (thank god it isn't so pop now).. however, we did love some it! Sean John etc...
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RaffertyLFP: McClintic continues to maintain she did not know Tori before her abduction. [via Twitter]
RaffertyLFP: McClintic questioned about buying hammer and garbage bags at Home Depot. [via Twitter]
RaffertyLFP: McClintic: "In my mind I was not going to let anything bad happen. I thought I would protect her." [via Twitter]
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McClintic says she was afraid Rafferty would drive away with Tori if she took too long in Home Depot
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McClintic doesn't remember some of Jan 14/2012 statement. She "was on extra meds".
McClintic says she lied about the hammer purchase in January 14th statement. Said she decided to buy the hammer.
McClintic says now she only said that to get out of testifying
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I don't care to. In those days that music was considered devil music, IMO. Yes perhaps NECRO is a lot more violent but I'd like to know what the statistics are that music caused someone to murder a child.
Not very many is my bet, if any.
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Necro isn't "a lot more violent", it is completely violent. Music can't make anybody do anything but one can draw certain conclusions about people who listen to certain types of music. Rap is mostly about the lyrical content, not the musical content (it barely has any). It takes a certain type of person to listen to repeated violent, murderous, torturous lyrics. That is all the defense is trying to do, shock the jury and show what type of person TLM.
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So far Derstine doesn't seem to be disputing the fact that MR was driving the car at the school or at HD.
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Wasn't his vehicle caught on video? He can't really dispute, imo.
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RaffertyLFP: McClintic continues to maintain she did not know Tori before her abduction.
Derstine suggests the abduction was her idea. Rafferty knew nothing of it.
Derstine says Tori was offered to Rafferty sexually. Rafferty rejected the offer. McClintic directed Rafferty to the country.
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Necro isn't "a lot more violent", it is completely violent. Music can't make anybody do anything but one can draw certain conclusions about people who listen to certain types of music. Rap is mostly about the lyrical content, not the musical content (it barely has any). It takes a certain type of person to listen to repeated violent, murderous, torturous lyrics. That is all the defense is trying to do, shock the jury and show what type of person TLM.
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Yes shock factor. Wonder if it's working? Maybe some of these jurors or their kids are NECRO fans.
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McClintic said it was a lie, cos she was trying to get out of testifying
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In a police interview two months ago, McClintic said Rafferty said they had to stop at Home Depot, but she decided what to buy
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McClintic told him to go to a safe house. She then killed Tori, as she spoke to her alone because Tori was afraid, Derstine says.
RaffertyLFP: Derstine suggests that McClintic offered Tori to Rafferty and he rejected the offer. McClintic says she strongly disagrees
McClintic rejects all of that. Derstine says Rafferty was horrified of the murder and helped McClintic clean up.
Derstine notes Rafferty had the blue knife in the car, and wouldn't have needed a weapon, in contrary to McClintic's prior statement
Derstine suggests her white coat only had blood on it because she killed and murdered Tori. So the coat was thrown away.
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Wasn't his vehicle caught on video? He can't really dispute, imo.
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No, but some people here have thought he would try to say someone else was driving. IMO, he was the driver, and if he was present he is as guilty as her no matter who swung the hammer in the end.
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RaffertyLFP: Derstine tells McClintic it was her idea alone to buy hammer and garbage bags. "You are mistaken," she replied. [via Twitter]
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Derstine is laying out his version of events: he says McClintic decided to abduct Tori, brought her to Rafferty's car...
RaffertyLFP: Derstine suggests that McClintic offered Tori to Rafferty and he rejected the offer. McClintic says she strongly disagrees. [via Twitter]
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McClintic says none of Derstine's version of events is true
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...could talk to Tori. When Rafferty was away, Derstine says, McClintic killed Tori. Rafferty was horrified but helped clean up, he says
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Derstine says McClintic "offered" Tori to Rafferty and he said no. So McClintic directed him to a rural area, told him to walk away so she
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Derstine says McClintic told Rafferty that Tori had been kidnapped because of a drug debt. He says McClintic decided to buy the hammer
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Derstine is laying out his version of events: he says McClintic decided to abduct Tori, brought her to Rafferty's car...
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RaffertyLFP: Derstine suggests Rafferty wasn't present for the killing and was horrified when he saw what happened. McClintic says that is wrong
McClintic disagrees. She does agree that she used Rafferty's phone to make calls to drug associates.
McClintic disagrees again, when Derstine suggests she created the script. McClintic made a statement to police on 5/29/09.
Derstine says McClintic is seen on camera taking Tori, and on camera buying "murder tools". Only her word on #rafferty's involvement.
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RaffertyLFP: Derstine suggests Rafferty wasn't present for the killing and was horrified when he saw what happened. McClintic says that is wrong. [via Twitter]
RaffertyLFP: Derstine suggests that McClintic offered Tori to Rafferty and he rejected the offer. McClintic says she strongly disagrees. [via Twitter]
RaffertyLFP: Derstine tells McClintic it was her idea alone to buy hammer and garbage bags. "You are mistaken," she replied. [via Twitter]
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McClintic disagrees. She does agree that she used Rafferty's phone to make calls to drug associates.
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Derstine suggests her white coat only had blood on it because she killed and murdered Tori. So the coat was thrown away.
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Derstine notes Rafferty had the blue knife in the car, and wouldn't have needed a weapon, in contrary to McClintic's prior statement.
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McClintic rejects all of that. Derstine says Rafferty was horrified of the murder and helped McClintic clean up.
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McClintic told him to go to a safe house. She then killed Tori, as she spoke to her alone because Tori was afraid, Derstine says.
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Derstine says Tori was offered to Rafferty sexually. Rafferty rejected the offer. McClintic directed Rafferty to the country.
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No, but some people here have thought he would try to say someone else was driving. IMO, he was the driver, and if he was present he is as guilty as her no matter who swung the hammer in the end.
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Oh I see. I didn't realize people were speculating that it was someone else driving as a defense theory. Thanks
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Derstine says McClintic is seen on camera taking Tori, and on camera buying "murder tools". Only her word on #rafferty's involvement.
McClintic was asked about the written lies. She told police she wrote out the lies, she "had a lot of stuff going through her head".
Events as Derstine suggests: McC's idea to abduct Tori, brought her to the car in a friendly way, told #Rafferty the girl was a drug debt
RaffertyLFP: She maintains the script was from Rafferty, not her ideas
RaffertyLFP: McClintic referred to police interview where she said the script was her ideas. Said that was wrong
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Derstine asks McClintic if she used Rafferty's BlackBerry to call her drug connections that day. McClintic says she might have
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Rafferty had a knife in his car (McClintic used it to cut bloody portions out of the seat), Derstine asks: "then why'd he want a hammer?"
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RaffertyLFP: She maintains the script was from Rafferty, not her ideas. [via Twitter]
RaffertyLFP: McClintic questioned about script written by her on what she would say if questioned by police. [via Twitter]
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