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Old 03-24-2012, 01:12 AM
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So, any idea's as to why 911 was called from Trayvon's phone on March 2nd? He had been dead for 5 days already?
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So, any idea's as to why 911 was called from Trayvon's phone on March 2nd? He had been dead for 5 days already?
I thought that was from his girlfriends phone records.
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I thought that was from his girlfriends phone records.
I thought it was from Tray's phone logs?
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So, any idea's as to why 911 was called from Trayvon's phone on March 2nd? He had been dead for 5 days already?
The only thing I can think of is that is when Sanford PD got around to doing some investigating? Maybe the phone was used to dial 911 for tracing purposes so they could determine the phone number associated to the phone.
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So, any idea's as to why 911 was called from Trayvon's phone on March 2nd? He had been dead for 5 days already?
Good question - especially since we don't know where the phone is - even today. It wasn't listed as evidence on the police report. Trayvon's parents say they don't have it - SPD won't say anything.

So you got me - WHO used Trayvon's phone to call 911 5 days after he was killed?


Better yet,

WHO called Trayvon's phone back immediately AFTER the 911 call was made?
AND why did that person call the phone TWICE (2 minutes apart) - was the phone not answered?
AND why wasn't it answered when 911 had been called from it just 2 minutes before?


Man.................WTH is up with all this? Who was that talking on TV yesterday about the "transparency" of LE with this case?

Clear as mud?




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I thought it was from Tray's phone logs?
I can see T-mobile on the records. I thought the Trayvon had an I-Phone. T-Mobile doesn't do I-Phones as far as I know.
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I thought that was from his girlfriends phone records.
Ok - who called who that Sunday night? Did Trayvon call her @ 7:12 ? Or did she call him?

Let's say it was her phone log - well then, she called 911 on 3/2. She lives in Miami. Why doess the number that calls her back have a 407 area code? Miami is 305 and broward is 954. If she called 911 from Miami and Miami/Dade LE called her back - then the number would be a 305 number.

Nope, I think its Trayvon's records.




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Good question - especially since we don't know where the phone is - even today. It wasn't listed as evidence on the police report. Trayvon's parents say they don't have it - SPD won't say anything.

So you got me - WHO used Trayvon's phone to call 911 5 days after he was killed?


Better yet,

WHO called Trayvon's phone back immediately AFTER the 911 call was made?
AND why did that person call the phone TWICE (2 minutes apart) - was the phone not answered?
AND why wasn't it answered when 911 had been called from it just 2 minutes before?


Man.................WTH is up with all this? Who was that talking on TV yesterday about the "transparency" of LE with this case?

Clear as mud?




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I was reading some posts on facebook on a page dedicated to Tray and I noticed one of his friends saying that they still call his phone hoping he will pick up. I'm sure lots of people did that. Maybe even just to hear his voice on his voicemail? (That breaks my heart.)

Only speculating and this is just my opinion.
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Ok - I'll even go one better. The number that calls the phone back at 12:47 and again at 12:49 is SPD. You can see the number from the screen shot and if you go to SPD home page - it is the same number. How's that for odd?

WTH is going on with this phone?



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Well unlike you with all due respect I'm not convinced Mr. Martin is a victim per se. Is he a victim in the sense he passed away in a mysterious yet tragic incident of that I have no doubt. Which is exactly why I attended the rally at Fort Mellon park and gave a donation. But lets put aside my generosity and focus on the case at hand:

I feel in the end this may well be something far less than what many have tired to make it out to be... Mr. Zimmerman goes to question an unknown individual and that individual chooses to hide his face and evade him. Meanwhile Mr. Martin unfamiliar with the neighborhood sees a stranger staring at him and feels uncomfortable pulls his hoodie up and begins to walk briskly away...From this point it seems like a twist of tragic errors on both parties fault lead to an incident, that could have easily been avoided. As a result of those missteps Mr. Martin lost his life and that's saddening.
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What right did Mr. Zimmerman have to question Mr. Martin?

And why would it be wrong for someone having a total stranger questioning him choose to try to evade that person?
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Ok - who called who that Sunday night? Did Trayvon call her @ 7:12 ? Or did she call him?

Let's say it was her phone log - well then, she called 911 on 3/2. She lives in Miami. Why doess the number that calls her back have a 407 area code? Miami is 305 and broward is 954. If she called 911 from Miami and Miami/Dade LE called her back - then the number would be a 305 number.

Nope, I think its Trayvon's records.




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Ok, I believe you. So that means that the post's I read saying that Trayvon had an I-Phone are incorrect?
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Trayvon is considered the victim here, from what I understand.
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Ok - I'll even go one better. The number that calls the phone back at 12:47 and again at 12:49 is SPD. You can see the number from the screen shot and if you go to SPD home page - it is the same number. How's that for odd?

WTH is going on with this phone?



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So then it sounds it was the police calling 911 to figure out the number of the phone. Maybe they just called the number back to make sure the cell phone would ring.
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Ok - I'll even go one better. The number that calls the phone back at 12:47 and again at 12:49 is SPD. You can see the number from the screen shot and if you go to SPD home page - it is the same number. How's that for odd?

WTH is going on with this phone?



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Maybe they were testing it out to see what would display when they called it and what would display at 911 if Tray were somehow able to call them before he was shot. I wonder if 911 may have had some hang up calls at about that time and maybe they're trying to see what Tray's phone would show at the call center.

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I can see T-mobile on the records. I thought the Trayvon had an I-Phone. T-Mobile doesn't do I-Phones as far as I know.
http://www.brighthand.com/default.as...ne+4G+T-Mobile

This is an old article? I also found some that says something about a T-Mobile SIM card working in an IPhone?

http://www.macworld.com/article/1160...4_tmobile.html

ETA: Even all those years of talking about Casey's SIM CARDS, I still have no idea what they are.
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So, any idea's as to why 911 was called from Trayvon's phone on March 2nd? He had been dead for 5 days already?
I must have missed something. Where was the March 2 date of the call reported?

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Ok - I'll even go one better. The number that calls the phone back at 12:47 and again at 12:49 is SPD. You can see the number from the screen shot and if you go to SPD home page - it is the same number. How's that for odd?

WTH is going on with this phone?



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Where is that phone now? Is it missing? Could SPD have been looking for it and calling it to see where it pings?
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Ok, I believe you. So that means that the post's I read saying that Trayvon had an I-Phone are incorrect?
You can have an iPhone on tmobile. It just doesn't let you use all of the features you could if you were with an authorized carrier. (No 3G or 4G for example.) But the phone works.
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I must have missed something. Where was the March 2 date of the call reported?

TIA.
We're looking at a phone log that we believe is Trayvon's and 911 was called on March 2nd. Five days after he was deceased.
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http://www.brighthand.com/default.as...ne+4G+T-Mobile

This is an old article? I also found some that says something about a T-Mobile SIM card working in an IPhone?

http://www.macworld.com/article/1160...4_tmobile.html

ETA: Even all those years of talking about Casey's SIM CARDS, I still have no idea what they are.
The poster never provided a link showing the phone was an I-Phone. So I'm going to say isn't.
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Well unlike you with all due respect I'm not convinced Mr. Martin is a victim per se. Is he a victim in the sense he passed away in a mysterious yet tragic incident of that I have no doubt. Which is exactly why I attended the rally at Fort Mellon park and gave a donation. But lets put aside my generosity and focus on the case at hand:

I feel in the end this may well be something far less than what many have tired to make it out to be... Mr. Zimmerman goes to question an unknown individual and that individual chooses to hide his face and evade him. Meanwhile Mr. Martin unfamiliar with the neighborhood sees a stranger staring at him and feels uncomfortable pulls his hoodie up and begins to walk briskly away...From this point it seems like a twist of tragic errors on both parties fault lead to an incident, that could have easily been avoided. As a result of those missteps Mr. Martin lost his life and that's saddening.
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What right did Mr. Zimmerman have to question Mr. Martin?

And why would it be wrong for someone having a total stranger questioning him choose to try to evade that person?
and yet again, I would like to post the article where Wendy Dorival, the liaison between the watch groups and the police department, is discussing the roles of Zimmerman and the neighborhood watch program.

She states that she met with Zimmerman and his group in August 2011 and provided them information regarding the program.

1. In every presentation, “I go through what the rules and responsibilities are,” she said Thursday. The volunteers’ role, she said, is “being the eyes and ears” for the police, “not the vigilante.” Members of a neighborhood watch “are not supposed to confront anyone,” she said. “We get paid to get into harm’s way. You don’t do that. You just call them from the safety of your home or your vehicle.”
Using a gun in the neighborhood watch role would be out of the question, she said in an interview.

2. In Sanford, she said, watch groups are not even supposed to make the rounds. That is the job of another kind of volunteer organization, Citizens on Patrol, whose members are selected and trained by the police and who drive the streets in a specially marked vehicle. Members of that group, Ms. Dorival said, “are armed only with a radio.”

3. The manual warns that watch members should “not attempt to apprehend a person committing a crime or to investigate a suspicious activity.” It should be emphasized to members of patrols, the materials state, that “they do not possess police power and they shall not carry weapons.” The consequences of not following the guidelines are severe, the manual states: “Each member is liable as an individual for civil and criminal charges should he exceed his authority.”

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