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Old 03-28-2012, 03:46 AM
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I think all male kids of around 17 like to act tough regardless of skin color
You bet. I'm white but if that had happened to me 31 years ago -when I was 17-, some bozo sneaking up on me like that, I would have become confrontational to say the least.

I don't know if Zimmerman was in his right for that level of self-defense, it's not as easy to determine as some TV shows would lead to believe. In order to be acquitted of murder on the grounds of self-defense it is not sufficient for a person to claim they genuinely believed their life was being threatened, this belief of theirs has to be based on sound judgement otherwise it's like handing out a license to kill to any paranoid freak.

My humble opinion is that when an individual chooses to appoint himself a vigilante he has to accept the risks that come with the "position". One of those risks is that if you kill someone you will have to answer for it and prove to justice you were within your legal right.

Unfortunately the case has become a political issue, meaning that the search for what really happened is largely being superseded by the insanity of sensationalism and quest for votes.
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Old 03-28-2012, 03:47 AM
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He was arrested as he should be for a weapons crime. But to make it clear, he wasn't arrested for anything to do with Trayvon Martin right?
Nothing to do with Trayvon Martin other than trying to self promote his own line of bs on the back of a dead child.
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Yep - Trayvon did NOT KNOW about that gun at first. I don't think he would have punched him if he did. Trayvon punches GZ - GZ hits the ground (and his head), goes to his waist for the gun and that's when Trayvon sees it. Screaming ensues, one shot, Trayvon is dead.

All in a matter of 60 - 120 seconds. Man that's fast.


How much longer are they going to let this all simmer? All the testing that needed to be done is (not doing any DNA tests - that we know of). So why are they keeping it all quiet and the nation in the dark?

Man, I hope we get something soon..................



JMHO
Yep. that would fit that short time frame. With some short snarky verbal confrontation up front. And add pressing the gun against Tray's chest.
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Old 03-28-2012, 03:50 AM
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I say it makes a lot more sense that Martin felt threatened, decked Zimmerman, who crumpled, and Martin got him in the mount and started wailing on him, or at least grabbing onto his head/wrestling/whatever. During this, I think it would be very hard for Martin to have not realized Zimmerman had a gun if Zimmerman was carrying it in the front of his pants, considering Martin would probably be sitting directly on top of it. I imagine Martin realized what it was, what it meant, and started to go for it. That's when it turned into the "turning point" situation that the defense keeps talking about. Martin was probably grabbing onto the barrel of the gun, which is why the slide potentially did not fully actuate. The shot to the lower sternum would be about consistant with this position, as well. Because of how quickly Martin seemed to have succumbed, I'd venture to say he was hit in the aorta. The severe drop in blood pressure would have knocked him out in seconds.
This is what I think happened as well....and you know what really ticks me off - the parents would have known this.

IMO - all the little boy pictures and putting out to the press that he was just a small child, screaming for his life while this horrible man shot him down like a dog. They know what happened, the police told them, in spite of the usual, "the police are telling us nothing". Bull.

I feel bad for this family, but not so bad I want to see people killed because Al Sharpton needed a cause.
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Does anyone know if TM's parents, sharpton and jackson spoke out against the trayvon supporters that ransacked the walgreens? I barely found any coverage of that incident.
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Old 03-28-2012, 03:51 AM
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You bet. I'm white but if that had happened to me 31 years ago -when I was 17-, some bozo sneaking up on me like that, I would have become confrontational to say the least.

I don't know if Zimmerman was in his right for that level of self-defense, it's not as easy to determine as some TV shows would lead to believe. In order to be acquitted of murder on the grounds of self-defense it is not sufficient for a person to claim they genuinely believed their life was being threatened, this belief of theirs has to be based on sound judgement otherwise it's like handing out a license to kill to any paranoid freak.

My humble opinion is that when an individual chooses to appoint himself a vigilante he has to accept the risks that come with the "position". One of those risks is that if you kill someone you will have to answer for it and prove to justice you were within your legal right.

Unfortunately the case has become a political issue, meaning that the search for what really happened is largely being superseded by the insanity of sensationalism and quest for votes.


AND media ratings!!!
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I still want to see what Zimmerman's written statement says (in his own writing, time stamped, etc...) and the recorded interview he did with LE that night. I would like to know what made the initial investigator want to charge him with manslaughter?

I'm seriously done with the Sanford Police "telling us" what Zimmerman claimed happened? Put up or shut up! I want to see for myself what he said happened that night.
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This is my suggestion.

Arrest, charge, and prosecute George Zimmerman. Get the same jury that aquitted Casey Anthony (no dessert lady this time ) and he'll walk free. It's a win/win. Those of us who believe that George Zimmerman had no right to kill Trayvon will at least get what we want in him having to answer for what he did. All you who feel he did nothing wrong and should be free get what you want.

Hopefully he won't kill again!
I know your kidding but if he is arrested just to satisfy mob mentality where will it end?
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Old 03-28-2012, 03:54 AM
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This is what I think happened as well....and you know what really ticks me off - the parents would have known this.

IMO - all the little boy pictures and putting out to the press that he was just a small child, screaming for his life while this horrible man shot him down like a dog. They know what happened, the police told them, in spite of the usual, "the police are telling us nothing". Bull.

I feel bad for this family, but not so bad I want to see people killed because Al Sharpton needed a cause.
Huffington post had, I think it was at least 20 photos released from the family of TM in a album they created of his life. From birth to prepubescent. Not one within the past few years.
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During his encounter with LE back in 2005. He said that he hasn't seen Zimmerman drink since he's known him.
Oops. Tks .I thought I read it but forgot the 7 years ago.
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Does anyone know if TM's parents, sharpton and jackson spoke out against the trayvon supporters that ransacked the walgreens? I barely found any coverage of that incident.
How would they have any control over what stupid people do? There are always going to be people who take a high profile case and use it as an excuse to do anything. Look at what Joy Wray did in the Casey Anthony case? Or Laura Buchanan? They both tried to create evidence, illegally, in order to help Casey's defense?

Why would they even acknowledge it? Why even associate themselves with it? These people breaking into stores are people taking advantage of a terrible situation and should be ashamed of themselves, but Al Sharpton or Trayvon's family did not MAKE them do it!
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Did his arrest have anything to do with Trayvon other than being a zealot with an agenda wanting to promote his cause? I think most people are smart enough to see through what he was doing.
It was about the $10,000. j/k

What he was doing was pawning a gun. The article is at the link.
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Does anyone know if TM's parents, sharpton and jackson spoke out against the trayvon supporters that ransacked the walgreens? I barely found any coverage of that incident.
No, I do not know if they spoke out on the incident but there are 29 articles second in line on google.
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Old 03-28-2012, 03:59 AM
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This is what I think happened as well....and you know what really ticks me off - the parents would have known this.

IMO - all the little boy pictures and putting out to the press that he was just a small child, screaming for his life while this horrible man shot him down like a dog. They know what happened, the police told them, in spite of the usual, "the police are telling us nothing". Bull.

I feel bad for this family, but not so bad I want to see people killed because Al Sharpton needed a cause.
BBM. Do you know this for a fact? Have the parents seen the autopsy report? Because I know of parents who many years after their childs murder, do not have the autopsy report. Insane I know, but LE in most cases will not release that info to anyone as long as an investigation is ongoing.
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Old 03-28-2012, 04:00 AM
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It was about the $10,000. j/k

What he was doing was pawning a gun. The article is at the link.
Yeah, wanted to clarify it had nothing to do with Trayvon lest people start discussing it did.
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How would they have any control over what stupid people do? There are always going to be people who take a high profile case and use it as an excuse to do anything. Look at what Joy Wray did in the Casey Anthony case? Or Laura Buchanan? They both tried to create evidence, illegally, in order to help Casey's defense?

Why would they even acknowledge it? Why even associate themselves with it? These people breaking into stores are people taking advantage of a terrible situation and should be ashamed of themselves, but Al Sharpton or Trayvon's family did not MAKE them do it!
They are a heading a 'cause' now. Marches, rally's, trips to Capitol hill. The teens that ransacked walgreens were representing their cause.
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Prone position? That would be face down, belly down.
Or do you mean supine position which is face up?
Tks Supine of course .Those all nighters are tough on me.
May be the guy in the white t shirt is the mysterious witness that saw it all.
It is hard when there too many blanks to fill in.
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How would they have any control over what stupid people do? There are always going to be people who take a high profile case and use it as an excuse to do anything. Look at what Joy Wray did in the Casey Anthony case? Or Laura Buchanan? They both tried to create evidence, illegally, in order to help Casey's defense?

Why would they even acknowledge it? Why even associate themselves with it? These people breaking into stores are people taking advantage of a terrible situation and should be ashamed of themselves, but Al Sharpton or Trayvon's family did not MAKE them do it!
Sure they did. It's what they want., but they act like they don't know about it. When they sat in front of the congressional meeting today, they convinced me.
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They are a heading a 'cause' now. Marches, rally's, trips to Capitol hill. The teens that ransacked walgreens were representing their cause.
Yes, I am sure these idiot teens were for the cause? No, they are taking advantage of a cause and using it as an excuse to commit a crime. Anyone who does anything like that, is not for their cause.
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Tks Supine of course .Those all nighters are tough on me.
May be the guy in the white t shirt is the mysterious witness that saw it all.
It is hard when there too many blanks to fill in.
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Prone position? That would be face down, belly down.
Or do you mean supine position which is face up?
Tks Supine of course .Those all nighters are tough on me.
May be the guy in the white t shirt is the mysterious witness that saw it all.
It is hard when there too many blanks to fill in.
I was like what? Thought my ambien might be kicking in
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Sure they did. It's what they want., but they act like they don't know about it. When they sat in front of the congressional meeting today, they convinced me.
Convinced you of what?
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Sure they did. It's what they want., but they act like they don't know about it. When they sat in front of the congressional meeting today, they convinced me.
Yes, I am sure Trayvon's parents want to see more dead kids for their "cause?" That makes sense?
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There is no way the black guy Mary C is talking about could be Trayvon. Mary C called 911 after the shot. And I really don't think Trayvon managed to stand up after being shot. I think she is either confused that Zimmerman is black (because it was dark) or somebody else showed up on the scene.
It is the mystery witness that saw it all
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I was like what? Thought my ambien might be kicking in
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Huffington post had, I think it was at least 20 photos released from the family of TM in a album they created of his life. From birth to prepubescent. Not one within the past few years.
IMO because their lawyers told them to make it of pictures that the masses would think were cute and innocent (I'm not a big fan of lawyers) and sometimes I think they do more harm than good. Anderson Cooper had a slew of recent pics in his report tonight and he looked like a young man becoming a man... Tough, lean, being a wise guy. Sad how people discriminate and judge...
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