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Old 03-29-2012, 09:51 PM
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I would be very upset if I had been screaming for help and no one came out to help me.Had anyone came out it is very possible TM would not have been shot.
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Because he's getting Death Threats. that's why.
I never stated he had to appear publicly anywhere.... He could release his side of the story from an undisclosed location though..Personally, I view him as being a coward...JMHO
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I, in no way, ever mean to mischaracterize anyoone's comments. Since this comment closed with the same assertion of it being true that a tube of Chapstick and a toothpick could put someone in fear of their life, please explain to me how. I'm genuinely and seriously curious.

My original comment was in reference to Zimmerman's brother telling Piers Morgan words to the effect of "You could come over that desk right now with a tube of Chapstick and a toothpick and put me in fear for my life".

I simply don't understand how that statement is anything less than preposterous, so I admit, I made a somewhat facetious claim of my own regarding the Skittles.

But please, if you know something I'm missing in regards to Chapstick and a toothpick, I would appreciate enlightenment.
IMO, the point being made is that if someone wants to do you harm, it doesn't matter if all they are "armed" with is innocuous items in their pockets. Because if they want to hurt you and violently attack you with their bare hands, you are still in danger of your life. IMO, it all has to do with how aggressive and violent the "unarmed" person is. Violent aggression is its own deadly weapon.

ETA: Personally, I've always found the "only armed with skittles and ice tea" offensive. It's an absurd comment about a tragic situation. But that's just me.

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A person making a direct statement to you is not hearsay...
It's certainly is by definition.

Hearsay is information gathered by one person from another person concerning some event, condition, or thing of which the first person had no direct experience.

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You all need to watch Piers Morgan on CNN...GZ'S brother is on giving a new story...And IMHO The whole Zimmerman family are Liars IMHO They all need to stop talking they are making it worse for GZ........
Arggggg!

I'm having Anthony family flashbacks!

Now THAT is the definition of PTS!

Can I get an Amen!?
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Don't people usually stay inside their homes during these kinds of things is because they don't want to get hurt themselves? How am I to know if I'm going to prevent someone from getting killed or just add another body?
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1. Opinion or fact?

2. Opinion or fact?
first one is Opinion and second one is fact.

RZ says his family is getting death threats and anyone who is close to George is also and his Lawyer said that GZ, His Family etc. are getting threats and there is a Twitter page called "Kill Zimmerman".
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Arggggg!

I'm having anthony family flashbacks!

Now that is the definition of pts!

Can i get an amen!?
a m e n ! ! !
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I would be very upset if I had been screaming for help and no one came out to help me.Had anyone came out it is very possible TM would not have been shot.
It's dangerous to interfere in a fight. Especially if a person fighting is armed. I don't blame the neighbors for a second for not interfering, and instead calling 911.
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I'm outta here for awhile.. I need a break. I can't tolerate listening to the people here NOW blame the neighbors for TM's death..JMHO
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I want to know how Trayvon wound up on his stomach with his hands under him after he was shot, especially if Zimmerman was on top of him, or even if Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman. If Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon, I suspect an entry wound to the back, unless Zimmerman moved fast enough that Trayvon was still alive and turned over?? I think Zimmerman took Trayvon down from behind - grabbed Trayvon's arms and took him down.
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Don't people usually stay inside their homes during these kinds of things is because they don't want to get hurt themselves? How am I to know if I'm going to prevent someone from getting killed or just add another body?
And if you see two people fighting, which one are you supposed to help?
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Hi all haven't been here in a while. I have a question. If the men were rolling around on the grass and scuffling, and Mr. Zimmerman effected a chest shot on Trayvon, a chest wound would have massive amounts of blood, right, so why wasn't Trayvon's blood all over Zimmerman's shirt and why was Trayvon face down, was he shot in the back?
Great questions, IMHO and again, IMHO, needed to be addressed at the scene/time of the incident!

BBM............Just addressing the question of blood flow....the amount of blood would be significant as the upper torso/chest area (where the shot is suppose to have hit) is very vascular. Adding to the primary vascularity of the body is the the perfusion of blood in the internal organs (the lungs & pericardial sac with the heart itself) that if punctured would result in massive blood loss. With a "hole" in the skin and agonal blood pressure, the "rolling around and scuffling" would permit the exiting blood to flow onto/into any available surfaces.

Example: think of a fluid filled toy within a balloon....break the surface of the balloon, air leaks out but if one punctures the balloon & the toy, both air & fluid pour out.
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I, in no way, ever mean to mischaracterize anyoone's comments. Since this comment closed with the same assertion of it being true that a tube of Chapstick and a toothpick could put someone in fear of their life, please explain to me how. I'm genuinely and seriously curious.

My original comment was in reference to Zimmerman's brother telling Piers Morgan words to the effect of "You could come over that desk right now with a tube of Chapstick and a toothpick and put me in fear for my life".

I simply don't understand how that statement is anything less than preposterous, so I admit, I made a somewhat facetious claim of my own regarding the Skittles.

But please, if you know something I'm missing in regards to Chapstick and a toothpick, I would appreciate enlightenment.
He was making a point that it doesn't matter what a person has on them (whether it's skittles or chapstick), that person is still capable of putting another in a reasonable fear for their life. That's it.
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If the GF was in such shock and trauma she had to be hospitalized,she might not be remembering the conversation word for word.Also unless call was taped who can be sure if what she says is true.IMO Anyone who did not come out right away, I will be taking with a large grain of salt.Police do go to hospitals every day to speak to people about crimes.JMO
She's a minor.
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Are 17-year-olds legally allowed to carry mace or pepper spray? I'm thinking about buying my niece some? Just spray and run!
And pray the person doesn't have a loaded gun.
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And if you see two people fighting, which one are you supposed to help?
Agreed. If it's an adult and child, that's one thing, but two adults? I'd call the police, but I'm not going outside!
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Ok, I'll bite.

Would you please explain how a tube of Chapstick and a toothpick could realistically put someone in fear for their life in the context of this situation?

Thanks!
Perception is reality for a person in the heat of the moment. If you don't know they are chap stick and a toothpick, you may perceive them as weapons. Ever hear of people robbing a store by putting their hand in their pocket and claiming they have a gun?
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MarinadeDave has a photo of the scene by the tree and indicates that's where the body was. Could that be what you were thinking of?

http://marinadedave.com/journal/2012....html#comments
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This is the spot where Trayvon died, just to the left of the small tree.
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MarinadeDave has a photo of the scene by the tree and indicates that's where the body was. Could that be what you were thinking of?

http://marinadedave.com/journal/2012....html#comments
Thanks, I just went to his site and saw the image you're referring to and believe Dave and Mr. Martin are saying the same thing.

"This is the spot where Trayvon died, just to the left of the small tree." would certainly be true if you are on the long sidewalk between the buildings, facing the tree.

Where Mr. Martin indicates the body was found scales 69 feet from the intersection of the two sidewalks which would be just to the left of the small tree.
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I was talking about "John." There a 911 call that seems to fig with it being from "John" I agree no one said they saw that whole thing from start to finish, so that person either didn't call 911 or for whatever reason his call was not released.



That's what I had said, when you responded that you don't know how I could say that.

This supposed witness says that he saw the whole thing, he was dwon there and that he said to stop and he was going up to call 911. We never heard that 911 call, the ones we heard said they didn't see what was going on.

To me it's a little hinky that either he never called 911 or that's the only 911 call not to get released.

No matter, time will tell and there's no point going round and round about it now.

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Great questions, IMHO and again, IMHO, needed to be addressed at the scene/time of the incident!

BBM............Just addressing the question of blood flow....the amount of blood would be significant as the upper torso/chest area (where the shot is suppose to have hit) is very vascular. Adding to the primary vascularity of the body is the the perfusion of blood in the internal organs (the lungs & pericardial sac with the heart itself) that if punctured would result in massive blood loss. With a "hole" in the skin and agonal blood pressure, the "rolling around and scuffling" would permit the exiting blood to flow onto/into any available surfaces.

Example: think of a fluid filled toy within a balloon....break the surface of the balloon, air leaks out but if one punctures the balloon & the toy, both air & fluid pour out.
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So all we need is a witness saying that they where "rolling around" to fit this scenario. JMO.
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Don't people usually stay inside their homes during these kinds of things is because they don't want to get hurt themselves? How am I to know if I'm going to prevent someone from getting killed or just add another body?
They were following the rules of their NWP by calling 911 and staying put. Something GZ should have done. jmo
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I would be very upset if I had been screaming for help and no one came out to help me.Had anyone came out it is very possible TM would not have been shot.
Or they could have ended up with more people shot.
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Can they pull Trayvon's girlfriend's cell phone and texting records from the night he was shot? I think this could answer some questions! Especially what happened after 7:16 PM
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