17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #10

[tehcloser]

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/2...reaks-silence/

An eyewitness provides details about what was heard and seen before and after George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin.

[Dr.Fessel]

For some reason this brother refused to say when he first heard from George about the shooting. He would only narrow it down to 24 hours.

[m00c0w]

It sounds to me like the witness didn't actually see anyone get up.

[LambChop]

Originally Posted by uvamerica

Did GZ move TM ? or could GZ have shot TM when TM was standing up and when he was shot he fell forward ? would his arms have landed under him ? I have many questions on this point !

Okay, here's the problem. TM's body was found with his feet touching the sidewalk but his whole body was on the grass facing towards the house. He was lying face down, hands touching each other, arms under his body. GZ claims TM was on top of him banging his head on the cement sidewalk which means he was in the opposite direction from where TM's body ended up. Something does not add up. They need an accident reconstructionist. jmo

[Kimberlyd125]

Originally Posted by suzihawk

He was actually showing his face. I have to give him credit for manning up to do that - unlike his father.

It's his right not to show his face. He has received death threats.

IMO that does not make him less than a man.

[mikeysmommom]

Originally Posted by jjenny

It's dangerous to interfere in a fight. Especially if a person fighting is armed. I don't blame the neighbors for a second for not interfering, and instead calling 911.

I do not blame them either.George was on the neighborhood watch and did watch out for his neighbors just ironic that when he needed help no one helped him.

[Dr.Fessel]

Originally Posted by tehcloser

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/2...reaks-silence/

An eyewitness provides details about what was heard and seen before and after George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin.

When do the transcripts come out for Anderson? I know I have seen them then I have trouble finding them.

[songline]

Originally Posted by Horace Finklestein

Not sure if we know it's a "crime scene" just yet. There were no arrests.

No. we do not know if it is a crime scene.


I was just thinking when something happens in an area and the area guards, or watchman don’t exert themselves which is most common.
The neighbors scream, "Those Guys" they don’t do much. But when you get one that is alert, they call him a racist.

But sadly videos are coming out that contradict some of what is coming from the GZ camp. And While I feel strongly that GZ did not just kill anybody, it is getting hard to understand his decision making process since he could have shot; but not to kill. I think the Police does have to answer - it may not be a crime at all you are right - but It did not have to happen GZ is overzealous.

[LolaMoon08]

Originally Posted by Kimberlyd125

It's his right not to show his face. He has received death threats.

IMO that does not make him less than a man.

I don't have a problem with them not showing their faces. I wouldn't want to show my face either.


Did the brother say what he did for a living? Just curious?

[flourish]

Originally Posted by songline

No. we do not know if it is a crime scene.


I was just thinking when something happens in an area and the area guards, or watchman don’t exert themselves which is most common.
The neighbors scream, "Those Guys" they don’t do much.
But when you get one that is alert, they call him a racist.

But sadly videos are coming out that contradict some of what is coming from the GZ camp. And While I feel strongly that GZ did not just kill anybody, it is getting hard to understand his decision making process since he could have shot; but not to kill. I think the Police does have to answer - it may not be a crime at all you are right - but It did not have to happen GZ is overzealous.

GZ was not a guard or a watchman! Who called him racist?

[Isabelle]

Originally Posted by tehcloser

Here is the 6 minute time stamped video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WWDN...ature=youtu.be

That video is in slooooow motion. Total time wasn't 6 minutes, right? Total time in real time, that is.

[RANCH]

Originally Posted by mfcmom

Hi all haven't been here in a while. I have a question. If the men were rolling around on the grass and scuffling, and Mr. Zimmerman effected a chest shot on Trayvon, a chest wound would have massive amounts of blood, right, so why wasn't Trayvon's blood all over Zimmerman's shirt and why was Trayvon face down, was he shot in the back?

Originally Posted by flourish

RBBM Can you clarify as to what blood transfer? Blood transfer in general? tia

In regards to mfcmom's post. Trayvons blood transfering onto GZ's shirt.

[joypath]

Originally Posted by RANCH

BBM
So all we need is a witness saying that they where "rolling around" to fit this scenario. JMO.

Well, my "rolling around" in the re-quoted post below (bolded by you) was in response to a specific scenario presented by mfcmom.


Originally Posted by joypath

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Great questions, IMHO and again, IMHO, needed to be addressed at the scene/time of the incident!

BBM............Just addressing the question of blood flow....the amount of blood would be significant as the upper torso/chest area (where the shot is suppose to have hit) is very vascular. Adding to the primary vascularity of the body is the the perfusion of blood in the internal organs (the lungs & pericardial sac with the heart itself) that if punctured would result in massive blood loss. With a "hole" in the skin and agonal blood pressure, the "rolling around and scuffling" would permit the exiting blood to flow onto/into any available surfaces.

Example: think of a fluid filled toy within a balloon....break the surface of the balloon, air leaks out but if one punctures the balloon & the toy, both air & fluid pour out.

NOW...if the scenario is as explained by some that TM was ON TOP of GZ then GRAVITY alone should have permitted SOME blood staining onto whatever article in below the bleeding individual.

NB: one possibility why no staining is observable on GZ's grey shirt: it was turned around so the front was now the back and perhaps GZ didn't have his jacket on during the altercation so no blood on that garment.

[tehcloser]

Originally Posted by Dr.Fessel

When do the transcripts come out for Anderson? I know I have seen them then I have trouble finding them.

I'm not sure...I'll look around.

[m00c0w]

Originally Posted by Dr.Fessel

When do the transcripts come out for Anderson? I know I have seen them then I have trouble finding them.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/acd.html

[mfcmom]

Originally Posted by m00c0w

It sounds to me like the witness didn't actually see anyone get up.

The witness said Zimmerman got up in seconds and was walking around and didn't look injured and Trayvon was dead.

[Kimberlyd125]

Originally Posted by LolaMoon08

I don't have a problem with them not showing their faces. I wouldn't want to show my face either.


Did the brother say what he did for a living? Just curious?

I didn't watch.

Swamp People was on. A good Louisianian would never miss Troy Landry.

JMO

[LolaMoon08]

Originally Posted by mikeysmommom

I do not blame them either.George was on the neighborhood watch and did watch out for his neighbors just ironic that when he needed help no one helped him.

Maybe they didn't like him?

Look, George reminds me of a neighbor I would never want to have. There's a difference from someone really looking out for their neighbors and someone who makes their neighbors lives a living hot place because he is constantly in your business and harrassing you. I've had to call the cops a lot of times for things going on in my gated complex... I will be honest and say that if a woman was being attacked by a man, I would 100% go out there. If it's man on man or woman on woman... I don't think I would get involved other than calling police?

[tehcloser]

Originally Posted by Isabelle

That video is in slooooow motion. Total time wasn't 6 minutes, right? Total time in real time, that is.

I don't know........

[mfcmom]

Originally Posted by joypath

Well, my "rolling around" in the re-quoted post below (bolded by you) was in response to a specific scenario presented by mfcmom.


Originally Posted by joypath
Great questions, IMHO and again, IMHO, needed to be addressed at the scene/time of the incident!

BBM............Just addressing the question of blood flow....the amount of blood would be significant as the upper torso/chest area (where the shot is suppose to have hit) is very vascular. Adding to the primary vascularity of the body is the the perfusion of blood in the internal organs (the lungs & pericardial sac with the heart itself) that if punctured would result in massive blood loss. With a "hole" in the skin and agonal blood pressure, the "rolling around and scuffling" would permit the exiting blood to flow onto/into any available surfaces.

Example: think of a fluid filled toy within a balloon....break the surface of the balloon, air leaks out but if one punctures the balloon & the toy, both air & fluid pour out.

NOW...if the scenario is as explained by some that TM was ON TOP of GZ then GRAVITY alone should have permitted SOME blood staining onto whatever article in below the bleeding individual.

NB: one possibility why no staining is observable on GZ's grey shirt: it was turned around so the front was now the back and perhaps GZ didn't have his jacket on during the altercation so no blood on that garment.

Several witnesses identified GZ wearing a red jacket.

[RANCH]

Originally Posted by LambChop

Okay, here's the problem. TM's body was found with his feet touching the sidewalk but his whole body was on the grass facing towards the house. He was lying face down, hands touching each other, arms under his body. GZ claims TM was on top of him banging his head on the cement sidewalk which means he was in the opposite direction from where TM's body ended up. Something does not add up. They need an accident reconstructionist. jmo

How do we know that Trayvon's body was found in that manner? Feet touching the sidewalk, body on grass facing the house?

[tehcloser]

Anderson Cooper transcripts can be found here, but tonight's show is not up yet......

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/acd.html

[OneLove]

Originally Posted by suzihawk

Yeah... he didn't understand why TM didn't wait for it to stop raining to go to the STORE. Yet, in the same breath, he said his brother wasn't 'patroling the neighborhood'. That he was merely on his way to the STORE (Target). Huh?! Maybe it wasn't raining on George's side of the street. LOL

Yes, the statement and the actions don't match. That's called hypocrisy and double standard. It was okay for HIM to be going to a store in the rain, but the BLACK SUSPICIOUS LOOKING GUY should have waited til it wasn't raining and therefore not cast suspicion upon himself. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!!!!!

[Isabelle]

Originally Posted by LolaMoon08

Maybe they didn't like him?

Look, George reminds me of a neighbor I would never want to have. There's a difference from someone really looking out for their neighbors and someone who makes their neighbors lives a living hot place because he is constantly in your business and harrassing you. I've had to call the cops a lot of times for things going on in my gated complex... I will be honest and say that if a woman was being attacked by a man, I would 100% go out there. If it's man on man or woman on woman... I don't think I would get involved other than calling police?

I wouldn't get involved either, except to call 911. Maybe the neighbors were afraid of GZ!

[iluvmua]

Originally Posted by Lovejac

PTS, didn't you hear?

Umm.... GZ IS getting Death Threats!!!!

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/tray...oting-15995326