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Old 03-30-2012, 12:09 PM
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I am not sure all kids end up with a blemish for drinking etc...by the age of 17.
I do not live under a rock and the kids I see for the most part... have never ever been dismissed from school one day. Some have, and frankly they should have been.
While TM had a right to walk home. There is reason for GZ to wonder...
Who is this unfamiliar boy out there - in light of 8 robberies in the community.
I would also be thinking Why is anyone out there in the rain? To get an Ice tea? hmmm

Then there are - people dredging up GZs history from 2005....
FAIR GAME SAID:
Lets find out the character of this boy too:
And we find 3 suspensions one of which was finding ladies jewelry and a screw driver in his locker.
FROM THIS MY ASSESSMENT IS:
Maybe GZ had perfect premonition? Just maybe? and maybe he did size him up right? WE DO NOT KNOW WE WILL NEVER KNOW.


The 911 guy said "We do not need you to do that" which is not an order at all. GZ was overzealous, no doubt. I am not taking a side.
I want to see a real investigation.
This is what I mean when I ask whether people feel it should be ok to shoot a burglar. Even if Trayvon WAS a burglar, for 100% sure, that is not the question here.

The question is whether GZ initiated the assault. Did he touch Trayvon first?

But even if he didn't touch Trayvon first, the various 911 calls and witness reports would seem to support the idea that he did initiate the confrontation verbally, at least.

If he touched Trayvon first, then he cannot claim self-defense. If he started the altercation by verbally confronting or threatening Trayvon, he is not legally responsible, but he is, IMO, morally responsible for Trayvon's death.

It doesn't matter if Trayvon was a known burglar with a record a mile long, or if GZ was a known nut with a power complex, or vice versa. The only thing that would make a difference to me would be if Trayvon intentionally attacked GZ, for instance because he didn't like GZ following him.

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What keeps glaring at me (as a parent) is the fact that Zimmerman had to exit his vehicle, in the rain, in order to follow TM into what is essentially an alley when GZ could and should have stayed in the sheltered safety of his vehicle while on the phone with 911. IMHO - Getting out of the vehicle in the rain with a gun was a very conscious decision on the part of GZ as he wasn't going to let TM "get away". JMO
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I didn't say a criminal DEFENSE attorney.

An attorney that deals with crimes. Not civil rights issues.
The "law" and I mean cops and states' attorney deemed no crime was committed
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Trayvon Martin case: Mayor says police resisted release of 911 tapes

SANFORD, Florida -- The mayor of the city where Trayvon Martin was killed says he overruled police and prosecutors who opposed the release of tapes of 911 calls, telling them: “We're not here to hide anything.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...e-of-911-tapes
Lucky for Trayvon that Norton Bonaparte, Jr. learned his lesson about 'transparency' when he was fired as City Manager of Topeka in early 2011 for allegedly: "not being open about an incident where a city employee used a porn chat line while on the job. Alcala also questioned the way Bonaparte handled an alleged theft of scrap metal by city employees from a work site."

Otherwise, I think Lee would still be Chief of Police.

Here is an article: http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/119436399.html
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Jump on the link below, please. Locking up this thread.


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I wonder if JJ, AS and the Black Panthers would have my back in a civil case.
Makes you wonder.
I guess if you fell under what they advocate for they would. But if you don't, why would they?
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Old 03-30-2012, 12:12 PM
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Lucky for Trayvon that Norton Bonaparte, Jr. learned his lesson about 'transparency' when he was fired as City Manager of Topeka in early 2011 for allegedly: "not being open about an incident where a city employee used a porn chat line while on the job. Alcala also questioned the way Bonaparte handled an alleged theft of scrap metal by city employees from a work site."

Otherwise, I think Lee would still be Chief of Police.

Here is an article: http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/119436399.html
I can't remember which program he was on last night but boy he sure had a hard time conveying what he was trying to say and answering their questions.

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I didn't say a criminal DEFENSE attorney.

An attorney that deals with crimes. Not civil rights issues.
What do you think a criminal attorney does?

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Here is why...
A civil right is an enforceable right or privilege, which if interfered with by another gives rise to an action for injury. Examples of civil rights are freedom of speech, press, assembly, the right to vote, freedom from involuntary servitude, and the right to equality in public places.

Learning there son was shot and killed while walking home from 7 eleven and NO ARREST WAS MADE, turned this case into a civil rights case. Trayvon was fataly injured. Trayvon had every right to be in the neighborhood. GZ interfered with that right due to his vigilante behavior.JMHO...
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TM had every right to be walking home is correct.
GZ interfering with it as a vigilante is your opinion
This does not make it a civil right case.
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Old 03-30-2012, 12:14 PM
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http://parkscrump.com/attorneys/benjamin-crump/

According to his very own website, Benjamin L Crump is specifically interested and practices in the areas of:
* Personal Injury
* Wrongful Death
* Medical Malpractice
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And then you could potentially go to jail for assault with a deadly weapon, because you obviously didn't fear for your life enough to escalate to deadly force. Otherwise you would have shot him. JMO
huh? I don't get what you're saying. First, in this example the dude was in the process of committing a crime and depending on which example he chose to take would depend on if I ever pulled the trigger.

If he had a gun and pulled and fired - welp, he's in even bigger deeper doo-doo (down here in Florida - the gun changes everything and escalates charges).

Catching a criminal in the process of commiting a crime and holding that guy at gunpoint until cops get there is not assault with a dealy weapon. Now, if it turns out I didn't have a CWP or the gun was legitimately registered to me - there could be poitential for minor charges. Even without the CWP if I was at my house and the robber was going into the house across the sctreet - as long as I stayed on my property - then no need for a CWP.

No way would the person holding that robber at gunpoint until cops arrive be charged with assault. No way. Not here in Florida.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying.



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Old 03-30-2012, 12:15 PM
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You don't have to defend them.

I'm just asking a question.

Why a civil rights attorney? On day 2.

That just seems odd to me.
It's pretty apparent that there are a number of folks on this thread who do indeedy feel the need to defend not just TM's integrity but that of his parents as well.

Any guesses as to why that is?
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And then you could potentially go to jail for assault with a deadly weapon, because you obviously didn't fear for your life enough to escalate to deadly force. Otherwise you would have shot him. JMO
When I said earlier that I have heard discussions about how to bolster a self-defense claim, this is the type of concern people have. They could even get sued by the criminal if they don't make sure to kill him, they say. The logic is, don't take a chance of being charged with assault or being sued. You're better off to kill him and say it was self-defense. Stage the scene, if necessary.
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