17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #15

[legalmania]

Originally Posted by vlpate

I'm lost, why is NG being rude to Taffe - I don't watch much anymore. TIA

NG is being rude? Well knock me over with a feather.

[vlpate]

Originally Posted by legalmania

911 Dispatcher asked him are you following and Zimmerman said yes, what other proof do you need? He admitted it himself. Why didn't Zimmerman say hey I'm on the phone with 911 and they are on their way?

When TM took off running, I believe GZ did get out of the car and try to follow behind TM to see where he was going, to "watch" him .... I don't think the verbiage is as important as it's being made out to be. When the dispatcher said, "we don't need you to do that", GZ said "OK". For me, the "OK" is more proof that he stopped following than anything else we have.

I believe GZ had the utmost respect in law enforcement, and so he obeyed the dispatchers request and headed back to his truck. Bringing up the incident 7 years ago when he had an altercation with a plain clothes officer will surely be the answer to that statement, and it doesn't negate everything he's done, consistently, for the past 7 years.

JMO

[marlame]

Originally Posted by vlpate

He was watching a suspicious male that he didn't recognize in a gated community. Trayvon was obviously acting suspicious or Zimmerman would have gone on to Target. He reported him - just like he'd reported 6 BM's before. Judging from George's history in dealing with suspicious individuals in the gated community, I don't buy that GZ purposely stalked, chased, or followed Trayvon in an effort to kill him. He'd never done anything like this before...he only called and waited. I think he was watching him, trying not to lose "sight" of him in an effort to let police know where Trayvon went....which should have been home.

Zimmerman has a busted nose and a gash on his head - why go through that when you're out just trying to pop a cap off in a black kid? The victim, IMO, is George Zimmerman. I believe TM hid and then followed GZ, who was on his way back to his truck and confronted him.

JMO

BBM~ If only GZ acted as he had done in the past and WAITED (as he was told to do and trained to do) this tragedy would not have happened! Following Trayvon was a fatal mistake!

As for the busted nose...has that been confirmed? Has there been any confirmation he had a gash on his head vs. a scratch or a smudge of dirt?

JMHO~

[LambChop]

Originally Posted by vlpate

I'm lost, why is NG being rude to Taffe - I don't watch much anymore. TIA

I guess she thought he had talked with GZ personally about his injuries because of his statement (change) from gash to contusion on Friday. The impression was he had talked to George. He has not seen GZ nor has he spoken with him. jmo

[LolaMoon08]

IMO, the reason the FEDS were out there today was because they enhanced the call and heard what I heard. They have now confirmed that they are doing an investigation of their own. Sounds promising. I just have a feeling that there is a lot more to George Zimmerman than we know? I would love to see computer forensics on his online activity. What forums did he belong to?

8 more days until the Grand Jury meets? Will we get an indictment or will the FEDS swoop in before then?

MOO

[m00c0w]

Originally Posted by LolaMoon08

IMO, the reason the FEDS were out there today was because they enhanced the call and heard what I heard. They have now confirmed that they are doing an investigation of their own. Sounds promising. I just have a feeling that there is a lot more to George Zimmerman than we know? I would love to see computer forensics on his online activity. What forums did he belong to?

8 more days until the Grand Jury meets? Will we get an indictment or will the FEDS swoop in before then?

MOO

Corey has already said she's not bound to Wolfinger's grand jury and may not use a grand jury at all.

[TonyGatto]

Originally Posted by LolaMoon08

IMO, the reason the FEDS were out there today was because they enhanced the call and heard what I heard. They have now confirmed that they are doing an investigation of their own. Sounds promising. I just have a feeling that there is a lot more to George Zimmerman than we know? I would love to see computer forensics on his online activity. What forums did he belong to?

8 more days until the Grand Jury meets? Will we get an indictment or will the FEDS swoop in before then?

MOO

Very good point which may explain why the feds were out there today -- in a big way. My prediction is an arrest before the GJ convenes.

[LolaMoon08]

Originally Posted by m00c0w

Corey has already said she's not bound to Wolfinger's grand jury and may not use a grand jury at all.

Whichever works best works for me.

[belle3]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...y-sought-death

Prosecutor Tougher If Victim's White
A 'Sentinel' Study Finds State Attorney Norm Wolfinger Seeks The Death Penalty Less Often When Victims Are Minorities.
June 1, 1992|By Debbie Salamone And Lynne Bumpus Hooper of The Sentinel Staff

[katydid23]

Originally Posted by Isabelle

If Wolfinger was in no way involved in the decision to not charge GZ, why did he feel the need to remove himself from the case because of a conflict of interest? Could it be because he knows GZ's dad?

I don't think anyone has said he was not involved in the decision. He was the DA. I think the question is did he come to the station in the middle of the night and meet with the Zimmerman family and the Chief of Police. imo

[Beyond Belief]

Shooting someone when they are screaming for help. I am just stunned by that.

[Lovejac]

Originally Posted by Wise Old Owl

Wolfinger removed himself - IIRC. He wasn't asked to be removed. I don't have a link - sorry. But I do remember it was the same day that Chief Lee stepped down temporarily.

So, why would Wolfinger recuse himself then?

JMHO

Maybe up for re-election IMO

[marlame]

Originally Posted by vlpate

When TM took off running, I believe GZ did get out of the car and try to follow behind TM to see where he was going, to "watch" him .... I don't think the verbiage is as important as it's being made out to be. When the dispatcher said, "we don't need you to do that", GZ said "OK". For me, the "OK" is more proof that he stopped following than anything else we have.I believe GZ had the utmost respect in law enforcement, and so he obeyed the dispatchers request and headed back to his truck. Bringing up the incident 7 years ago when he had an altercation with a plain clothes officer will surely be the answer to that statement, and it doesn't negate everything he's done, consistently, for the past 7 years.

JMO

BBM~ If you listen to the 911 call you hear GZ say OK but you also hear him still in pursuit. To me GZ saying OK meant, "yea...whatever"...

He then says have LE call me for my location when they arrive and hangs up. Why not stay on the line with 911? Hmmm...
If he was really waiting as he was told he would not have been behind the houses but NEAR or IN his truck by the club house.

JMHO~

[legalmania]

Originally Posted by vlpate

When TM took off running, I believe GZ did get out of the car and try to follow behind TM to see where he was going, to "watch" him .... I don't think the verbiage is as important as it's being made out to be. When the dispatcher said, "we don't need you to do that", GZ said "OK". For me, the "OK" is more proof that he stopped following than anything else we have.

I believe GZ had the utmost respect in law enforcement, and so he obeyed the dispatchers request and headed back to his truck. Bringing up the incident 7 years ago when he had an altercation with a plain clothes officer will surely be the answer to that statement, and it doesn't negate everything he's done, consistently, for the past 7 years.

JMO

His truck was on the other side of the houses. I'm looking where Zimmerman ended up and IMO he was following.

[belle3]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...sion-wolfinger

Parents Seek 2nd Probe Of Son's Injury Lawyer: Prosecutor Blew Seminole Shooting Case
August 16, 1986|By Jim Robison of The Sentinel Staff

[Chris_Texas]

Originally Posted by katydid23

I think that is kind of a premature assessment, imo.

Hopefully you are correct. I really want to be wrong. In fact, what I want is for the police to stop screwing around put their evidence on the table and say "THIS is what we know, this is why we did what we did, HERE are the photo's of Mr Zimmerman's brutal injuries, here's the coroner's report, here's the video..." I want to see evidence so compelling that I change my mind.

In my opinion the police and prosecutors in this case are out of time. Their own actions and inaction have caused millions of very reasonable people -- including people like me who support LE and other LE agencies including the FBI -- to question their ethics and conduct. For this guy to act outraged at this point is the very definition of hypocrisy, it's as absurd as Jeff Dahmer complaining about the meals they serve in prison.

IN MY OPINION.

[mfcmom]

Interesting point made by Alan Dershowitz this evening on CNN. They should have done scrapings on the fingernails of Trayvon and of Zimmerman, as well as taken Zimmerman's clothes and shoes and tested for gun residue. It appears this was not done by Sanford PD>

[LolaMoon08]

There is so much more going on, IMO. Feds come into town and it's like shining a light on a group of cockroaches hiding behind a refrigerator. They're all running around like crazy. Hope they made sure to delete the video of the "crew" meeting at the SPD. There's always witnesses that may be tired of covering for the "boys."

[mikeysmommom]

Originally Posted by Horace Finklestein

So - honest question here. If the FBI doesn't find anything significant in building a case against GZ, will they be considered racists and part of the good old boy system?

IMO YES Also IMO GZ might get charged to end the madness of the mob mentality even if he acted within the law.

[Adrienne37]

Originally Posted by marlame

BBM~ If only GZ acted as he had done in the past and WAITED (as he was told to do and trained to do) this tragedy would not have happened! Following Trayvon was a fatal mistake!

As for the busted nose...has that been confirmed? Has there been any confirmation he had a gash on his head vs. a scratch or a smudge of dirt?

JMHO~

I really hope Trayvon busted his nose and got himself a few other good ones in while he was at it.

~jmo~

[suzihawk]

Originally Posted by katydid23

Alcoholism is considered an illness according to state and federal employment guidelines. An employee cannot be fired just for a DUI unless they are DRIVING for a living. And second chances are almost always given under most instances.

It's also a CHOICE whether to drink and drive. No prosecutor with a history of drunk driving should, ever EVER be involved in deciding cases of homicide - many, MANY of which are vehicular homicide. And that means they're incapable of performing their job. They need to find another line of work where they wouldn't be biased by their own experience. MO

[belle3]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...-investigation

Letter To Governor: State Probe Is Whitewash
2 Seminole Sergeants Blast An Investigation Of Brutality Complaints Against County Drug Agents.
May 16, 1992|By Robert Perez Of The Sentinel Staff

[lillygator]

Originally Posted by LolaMoon08

IMO, the reason the FEDS were out there today was because they enhanced the call and heard what I heard. They have now confirmed that they are doing an investigation of their own. Sounds promising. I just have a feeling that there is a lot more to George Zimmerman than we know? I would love to see computer forensics on his online activity. What forums did he belong to?

8 more days until the Grand Jury meets? Will we get an indictment or will the FEDS swoop in before then?

MOO

could be the same for TM too....

[Chris_Texas]

Originally Posted by Horace Finklestein

So - honest question here. If the FBI doesn't find anything significant in building a case against GZ, will they be considered racists and part of the good old boy system?

Honest answer...

Some will believe so, yes. I suspect that right or wrong, many will assume that the delay damaged the Fed's ability to build a case, and that local obstruction and the old-boy network protected its own -- just as it did in the old days.

This is a bad situation.

IN MY OPINION of course.

[marlame]

Originally Posted by mfcmom

interesting point made by alan dershowitz this evening on cnn. They should have done scrapings on the fingernails of trayvon and of zimmerman, as well as taken zimmerman's clothes and shoes and tested for gun residue. It appears this was not done by sanford pd>

just shocking...!