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Old 04-04-2012, 07:41 PM
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Old 04-04-2012, 07:55 PM
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Did they thank you for spraying the kids?
Just asking because I'm really curious? lol
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They thanked us for calling them because they were pretty sure it was these kids that were hassling the elderly couple. But their parents always said ' Oh No, they were home all night inside with us.'

So spraying them was PERFECT because the parents said 'NO, they were home doing their homework.' But the cops found their bikes outside with wet sweatshirts on the ground next to them. LOL So it proved it was them after all.

This elderly couple has been hassled by these brats for months now. The woman has cancer and needs rest. So they complained that the boys play basketball out in the street lat at night, against the HOA rules. And they sneak into the pool which is right below our houses. And they keep her awake.

So I feel no remorse about my DH spraying them with water when he saw them sneaking up to the house with rotten eggs. And I will GLADLY spray them again if I see them doing it anymore. They are mean bullies and their parents are clueless enablers.

I HOPE it hurt their feelings when they got sprayed but I doubt it.
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Old 04-04-2012, 07:58 PM
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Did they thank you for spraying the kids?
Just asking because I'm really curious? lol
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They thanked us for calling them because they were pretty sure it was these kids that were hassling the elderly couple. But their parents always said ' Oh No, they were home all night inside with us.'

So spraying them was PERFECT because the parents said 'NO, they were home doing their homework.' But the cops found their bikes outside with wet sweatshirts on the ground next to them. LOL So it proved it was them after all.

This elderly couple has been hassled by these brats for months now. The woman has cancer and needs rest. So they complained that the boys play basketball out in the street lat at night, against the HOA rules. And they sneak into the pool which is right below our houses. And they keep her awake.

So I feel no remorse about my DH spraying them with water when he saw them sneaking up to the house with rotten eggs. And I will GLADLY spray them again if I see them doing it anymore. They are mean bullies and their parents are clueless enablers.

I HOPE it hurt their feelings when they got sprayed but I doubt it.
LE thanked you for calling them, but not for spraying the kids. Did they know that you had sprayed them??? I don't think LE would be condoning that.
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Old 04-04-2012, 07:59 PM
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Did they thank you for spraying the kids?
Just asking because I'm really curious? lol
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They thanked us for calling them because they were pretty sure it was these kids that were hassling the elderly couple. But their parents always said ' Oh No, they were home all night inside with us.'

So spraying them was PERFECT because the parents said 'NO, they were home doing their homework.' But the cops found their bikes outside with wet sweatshirts on the ground next to them. LOL So it proved it was them after all.

This elderly couple has been hassled by these brats for months now. The woman has cancer and needs rest. So they complained that the boys play basketball out in the street lat at night, against the HOA rules. And they sneak into the pool which is right below our houses. And they keep her awake.

So I feel no remorse about my DH spraying them with water when he saw them sneaking up to the house with rotten eggs. And I will GLADLY spray them again if I see them doing it anymore. They are mean bullies and their parents are clueless enablers.

I HOPE it hurt their feelings when they got sprayed but I doubt it.
You didn't answer the question. Understand that you believe bullying should be met with bullying but the question was asked.....

Did they thank you for spraying the kids?
Just asking because I'm really curious? lol
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Old 04-04-2012, 08:00 PM
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Joe Oliver steps down as GZ's Press Secretary

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Bringing this over fro the last thread......priceless.
Lawrence O'Donnell is incredible IMO,watch Joe squirm....I lol'd many times..."we were all drunk at family gatherings,I don't know him well,I'm just the only one standing up for him,I'm his uncle,co-worker,I don't know what my role is etc lol
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LE thanked you for calling them, but not for spraying the kids. Did they know that you had sprayed them??? I don't think LE would be condoning that.
YES. They did know we sprayed them. That is how they were caught, because the wet sweatshirts showed their parents were LYING. So LE had no problem with my DH spraying them at the time.

They were sneaking up in the dark with rotten eggs to throw at the house of an 80 yr old couple, one of whom has cancer. Do you think the cops were worried that they were sprayed with water?
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Tony Gatto posted the link to this article on the last page of the last thread.

I am reposting because I find this guy kind of fascinating.

Joe Oliver, George Zimmerman's 'friend', no longer his media advisor

By Joy-Ann Reid
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12:39 PM on 04/04/2012

"Joe Oliver, who made a media splash as the friend who stepped forward to support George Zimmerman, has stepped down as Zimmerman's media adviser.

Oliver, 53, first told theGrio he reached out to Zimmerman's attorney, Craig Sonner, after he was unable to reach George, with whom Oliver works at a Florida mortgage security firm."

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""My whole intention from the beginning was to help George with the media," Oliver told theGrio, claiming his many television appearances began with a mere coincidence.

"It just so happened that when I finally got in touch with Craig" to offer his services, on the day of their initial meeting just over a week ago, "ABC News was already there to interview Craig."

Oliver said he stepped forward to join the team because in his words, Sonner was inexperienced in dealing with the media, and Oliver, a former news anchor with NBC affiliate WESH in Orlando, who also worked for CNN, "was aware of what the media storm that was brewing was going to be like, having had 20 plus years experience both local and network. As a friend, acquaintance -- however you or anybody else wants to define it -- it was my obligation to offer my expertise to his counsel in dealing with the media.""

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Old 04-04-2012, 08:04 PM
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My face hurts so much from smiling! I pray that when my new nephew/niece is born, and he/she grows up, things like this won't be an issue? I already have two nieces growing up in this world today... I try and teach them each and every day... something new. Something that will shape their minds and their hearts... to make them better people... to allow them to see the world with real meaning... and I'm so proud of them for who they have become already. Now I have a new little one on the way (BEAMING!!) and I can only hope that they are able to grow up the same way? My sister's children have been 10 years, and now 7 years apart... I just hope the newest member of my family is as blessed as much as my nieces?

I hate to be so sentimental... but when you know a new life is forming... it makes you think about the future?
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YES. They did know we sprayed them. That is how they were caught, because the wet sweatshirts showed their parents were LYING. So LE had no problem with my DH spraying them at the time.

They were sneaking up in the dark with rotten eggs to throw at the house of an 80 yr old couple, one of whom has cancer. Do you think the cops were worried that they were sprayed with water?
But...wet sweatshirts does NOT mean LE knows how they got wet- that your husband sprayed them. I stand by my point, no matter how rotten they were.
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You didn't answer the question. Understand that you believe bullying should be met with bullying but the question was asked.....

Did they thank you for spraying the kids?
Just asking because I'm really curious? lol
I did not say that 'bullying should be met with bullying.' Do not put words in my mouth.

I did say that SOMETIMES they need to be shown how it feels to have their own feelings hurt. And I do believe that. That is not bullying, imo.

And yes, they were glad that my DH sprayed the bullies with water because that is the ONLY reason they were caught. Their parents were proven to be lying for them because of the wet clothing.

The cops came and thanked us for ' getting involved.' I don't think they ever said for spraying them, but for getting actively involved and helping the neighbors. They knew my DH sprayed them though, and they never said it was wrong given the circumstances.
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Maybe the 'bully' stuff should go to the 'bully' forum? Just an idea.
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I did not say that 'bullying should be met with bullying.' Do not put words in my mouth.

I did say that SOMETIMES they need to be shown how it feels to have their own feelings hurt. And I do believe that. That is not bullying, imo.

And yes, they were glad that my DH sprayed the bullies with water because that is the ONLY reason they were caught. Their parents were proven to be lying for them because of the wet clothing.

The cops came and thanked us for ' getting involved.' I don't think they ever said for spraying them, but for getting actively involved and helping the neighbors. They knew my DH sprayed them though, and they never said it was wrong given the circumstances.
That is my point- they wouldn't thank you for spraying the kids, because it is legally assault!
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But...wet sweatshirts does NOT mean LE knows how they got wet- that your husband sprayed them. I stand by my point, no matter how rotten they were.
YES, We told them before they even went to the boys house that they were sprayed in the act of throwing the eggs. They did not say anything about that at all.
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YES, We told them before they even went to the boys house that they were sprayed in the act of throwing the eggs. They did not say anything about that at all.
And did you clarify that it was your husband who did the spraying?
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I did not say that 'bullying should be met with bullying.' Do not put words in my mouth.

I did say that SOMETIMES they need to be shown how it feels to have their own feelings hurt. And I do believe that. That is not bullying, imo.

And yes, they were glad that my DH sprayed the bullies with water because that is the ONLY reason they were caught. Their parents were proven to be lying for them because of the wet clothing.

The cops came and thanked us for ' getting involved.' I don't think they ever said for spraying them, but for getting actively involved and helping the neighbors. They knew my DH sprayed them though, and they never said it was wrong given the circumstances.
It is bullying whether you can recognize it in yourself or not.
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That is my point- they wouldn't thank you for spraying the kids, because it is legally assault!
If it was a legal assault we would have been arrested, right?

They thanked us for 'getting involved.' Since the only thing we did was spray them , watch them run home and then call LE, then I guess they are thanking us for spraying them.
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It is bullying whether you can recognize it in yourself or not.
Okay, Fine. I bullied 2 13 yr olds who were throwing rotten eggs at my 80 yr old neighbors house. I am a BULLY. Fine with me.
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And did you clarify that it was your husband who did the spraying?
YEP. And believe it or not, they were a bit more concerned with the 80 yr old cancer victim who was being vandalized and harassed for months. I guess spraying them with a garden hose while they had rotten eggs in their grubby little mitts pales in comparison.
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If it was a legal assault we would have been arrested, right?

They thanked us for 'getting involved.' Since the only thing we did was spray them , watch them run home and then call LE, then I guess they are thanking us for spraying them.
I'm sorry to seem so nitpicky, but you still have not made it clear to me whether or not LE knew it was your husband who did the spraying. The parents of the kids can press charges against you for assault for spraying them. I would assume, the "getting involved" that LE is thanking you for is for calling them, which is what any Neighborhood Watch person would do. They would not go beyond that.
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17-years here on this Earth! Bless you Trayvon. Bless you! May you be at peace in the arms of our Lord. I pray everyday that you are blinded by what is going on down here on Earth. Be at peace, young Trayvon! Be at Peace!
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I could have sworn that I heard him tell Lawrence O'Donnell that he had quit his job. Which is why I believed that he is the one that supplied the newer recent photo of George, to the media. And, that maybe if he did that, he might have been fired? I dunno. He is fascinating.
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I'm sorry to seem so nitpicky, but you still have not made it clear to me whether or not LE knew it was your husband who did the spraying. The parents of the kids can press charges against you for assault for spraying them. I would assume, the "getting involved" that LE is thanking you for is for calling them, which is what any Neighborhood Watch person would do. They would not go beyond that.
YES. THEY KNEW HE SPRAYED THEM WITH THE HOSE. They did not care. They thanked us.

The boys were between our side yard and our neighbors yard. they did not see my husband sitting there at the time. It was dark. He had the water hose in his hand as he was getting ready to wash something out. The boys were creeping up in the shadows with their eggs. So he lifted the hose and sprayed.
I love him for it. If that makes me a bully and a psycho, so be it.
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"This now allows me to go back to my job, which I was never fired from and never quit." — Joe Oliver

I could have sworn that I heard him tell Lawrence O'Donnell that he had quit his job. Which is why I believed that he is the one that supplied the newer recent photo of George, to the media. And, that maybe if he did that, he might have been fired? I dunno. He is fascinating.
He did say he had left his job during the interview with Lawrence O'Donnell. I saved the program on my DVR just so I could rewatch it again because man, that was some of the greatest TV ever. Anyway, I'll go back through and see exactly what it was he said.

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