Websleuths
Go Back   Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community > Crimes and Trials > Trials > Victoria Stafford

Notices

Victoria Stafford discuss all aspects of this case!


Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-30-2012, 07:53 AM
nursebeeme's Avatar
nursebeeme nursebeeme is offline
WS Super Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: sipping coffee at the Purple Rose Theatre
Posts: 52,141
Long Easter Weekend Thread (Apr. 5, 6, 7, 8, & 9, 2012)

New thread for a new day. Please remember the rules








When posting an opinion please remember to use IMO or JMO.







the crown will present its case in chapters:

Chapter 1: The day of the kidnapping. The surveillance video showing Rafferty driving up the street outside Tori's school and McClintic walking Tori up the street. Witnesses from and around Oliver Stephens public school will talk about seeing Tori.
An identification officer will use photographs and maps to show the route from Woodstock to Guelph.
Tori's mother, Tara McDonald, will testify about the frantic hours the family spent looking for Tori.

Chapter 2: Terri-Lynne McClintic. "She was an essential part of all that happened," Gowdey said. "I expect her credibility will be a major issue in this case."

Chapter 3: Guelph -- video surveillance and bank records detailing the events there.

Chapter 4: the Mount Forest death scene, which the jury will visit. "It will be difficult to go to the very place where this happened, I know that, but understanding the crime scene is crucial to understanding the crime," Gowdey said. Photographs, some of them graphic, will be used to explain "exactly how the killing happened." "Unfortunately it is only through them that you can fully understand (the) evidence," Gowdey said.

Chapter 5: Police interaction with Rafferty.

Chapter 6: The searches of Rafferty and McClintic's residences and the evidence found.

Chapter 7: The Honda Civic. What was found inside.

Chapter 8: Rafferty's connection to the Mount Forest area.

Chapter 9: Comments Rafferty made to friends after April 8. "He had some interesting things to say to other people about Terri-Lynne McClintic and about the kidnapping itself," Gowdey said.

Chapter 10: The May 15 weekend and Rafferty's actions.

Chapter 11: The BlackBerry. The BlackBerry allowed police to track his movements April 8 and after.

Chapter 12: A recap of the surveillance video.
http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/r.../19463111.html

Salem's warning from last week:
Okay everybody - LISTEN UP! We are not bashing, accusing or blaming Tori's family here. It won't be allowed.
Children walk home from school every day without incident. Parents are not perfect, it's just not possible. Tori's parents DID NOT do this to her. TLM and an accomplice DID. That is where the blame goes.
We had a lot of family bashing in the early parts of this investigation after Tori went missing and a lot of baseless accusations - NONE OF WHICH PROVED TO BE TRUE. Victim and family bashing will not be allowed during this trial.
Thank you,
Salem
---------------------------------
and reposting SoSueMe's warning:
As some of you may have noticed, the members following this case are dropping in numbers. It's disheartening to us because we need and welcome discussion of both sides of every issue on Websleuths.
Zero tolerance means ZERO tolerance. Please discuss this case with respect to your fellow members. Subtle and veiled harassment and/or talking in code about other members will not be tolerated.
A word of caution on the Alerts in this forum. If you alert a post, make sure it is a clear violation of our Terms of Service. A difference of opinion is not a violation of TOS.
Please note that everything discussed in court and printed/tweeted is now within the realm of discussion. WS has never and does not now have a policy of "innocent until proven guilty." That is for the court room. Here, we discuss, speculate, theorize and judge according to the opinions we develop from following the case.
Keeping that in mind, abuse of our alert system is a good way to find yourself in timeout or worse. Abuse of the alert systems includes, but is not limited to:
Alerting repeatedly on the same poster;
Demanding a specific outcome;
Alerting on the same post more than once.
Once you have alerted a post, move on and don't question the decisions of our Administrators, Moderators or Owners.
Following this trial is very important to our members and we're going to see that they have their day in court. The "zero tolerance" policy in this forum will continue and it will be enforced.
Thank you and please carry on.
Sue aka SoSueMe
Websleuths Co-Owner
__________________
This bee my opinion

Last edited by Salem; 04-08-2012 at 03:47 PM.
The Following 11 Users Say Thank You to nursebeeme For This Useful Post:
  #2  
Old 04-05-2012, 03:40 PM
Salem's Avatar
Salem Salem is online now
WS Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 27,309
Long Easter Weekend Thread (Apr. 5, 6, 7, 2012)

Please continue here. I'm opening this early, so the weekend can get started and the mods won't have to worry about getting here to open up.

Salem
__________________
"If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." George S. Patton, Jr.
The Following 17 Users Say Thank You to Salem For This Useful Post:
  #3  
Old 04-05-2012, 03:45 PM
captaincanada's Avatar
captaincanada captaincanada is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 290
So they placed two undercover cops in his holding cell with him and all they got out of him was that he wanted some pills?
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to captaincanada For This Useful Post:
  #4  
Old 04-05-2012, 03:46 PM
maxfactor's Avatar
maxfactor maxfactor is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Ontario
Posts: 1,294
Quote:
Originally Posted by captaincanada View Post
So they placed two undercover cops in his holding cell with him and all they got out of him was that he wanted some pills?
So far anyway.
__________________
♥♥♥ In Memory of Tori ♥♥♥
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to maxfactor For This Useful Post:
  #5  
Old 04-05-2012, 03:46 PM
Alice Ramnit's Avatar
Alice Ramnit Alice Ramnit is offline
On Time Out
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 667
I wonder when the Jury will be hearing about the forensic results??
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Alice Ramnit For This Useful Post:
  #6  
Old 04-05-2012, 03:55 PM
roseofsharon roseofsharon is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,586
Regarding the pamxs .... if this was for the Pumas, why not just write Pumas?
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to roseofsharon For This Useful Post:
  #7  
Old 04-05-2012, 03:56 PM
Oldsoul2's Avatar
Oldsoul2 Oldsoul2 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,028
Ok so we now know for sure that Tori was raped in the rear passenger side of the car. 1) The handle on that side was missing, probably removed it due to fingerprints or blood 2) The seat bottom was missing from that side of the car
3) TLM testified that Tori was kicked and on the side of the car, I'm now assuming it was the passenger side. What happened to the Crown discussing the results of the DNA from the material that they sent out?
__________________
Take the road of truth or it will eventually be done for you
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Oldsoul2 For This Useful Post:
  #8  
Old 04-05-2012, 03:57 PM
Oldsoul2's Avatar
Oldsoul2 Oldsoul2 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,028
Quote:
Originally Posted by roseofsharon View Post
Regarding the pamxs .... if this was for the Pumas, why not just write Pumas?
Strongly believe he is talking about some kind of drugs not running shoes. Could simply indicate that he cant sell them so buy them back and pay me for the oxys.
__________________
Take the road of truth or it will eventually be done for you
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Oldsoul2 For This Useful Post:
  #9  
Old 04-05-2012, 03:57 PM
brighidin's Avatar
brighidin brighidin is offline
mansplain this
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: winterpeg
Posts: 1,396
Quote:
Originally Posted by captaincanada View Post
So they placed two undercover cops in his holding cell with him and all they got out of him was that he wanted some pills?
I don't know that this was the end of the testimony. Probably to be continued on Tuesday.
The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to brighidin For This Useful Post:
  #10  
Old 04-05-2012, 04:00 PM
Alice Ramnit's Avatar
Alice Ramnit Alice Ramnit is offline
On Time Out
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 667
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldsoul2 View Post
Ok so we now know for sure that Tori was raped in the rear passenger side of the car. 1) The handle on that side was missing, probably removed it due to fingerprints or blood 2) The seat bottom was missing from that side of the car
3) TLM testified that Tori was kicked and on the side of the car, I'm now assuming it was the passenger side. What happened to the Crown discussing the results of the DNA from the material that they sent out?
Respectfully, I do not think that we know for sure at all! I have not heard of any concrete evidence of that yet.
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to Alice Ramnit For This Useful Post:
  #11  
Old 04-05-2012, 04:00 PM
Jezbel's Avatar
Jezbel Jezbel is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 407
AM980_Court We'll hear from centre of forensic science experts then.
29 minutes ago reply retweet favorite

AM980_Court Done for the week. Back at 10 am Tuesday.
30 minutes ago reply retweet favorite
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Jezbel For This Useful Post:
  #12  
Old 04-05-2012, 04:06 PM
greenthumb's Avatar
greenthumb greenthumb is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 1,056


There's a peice of Tori's shirt missing as shown in the pic attached to this article... was that missing peice explained in any way? Could it possibly be the peice of grey fabric found in rear of MR's vehicle? There are some definite grey tones in the rest of the shirt. That would be some real physical evidence that would help the Crown's case.

MOO
The Following 12 Users Say Thank You to greenthumb For This Useful Post:
  #13  
Old 04-05-2012, 04:13 PM
KMouse's Avatar
KMouse KMouse is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 2,977
Do men normally keep condoms in their car?
__________________
"No one believes a word out of your mouth, why do you keep talking?" --Ryan Owens (ABC News)
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to KMouse For This Useful Post:
  #14  
Old 04-05-2012, 04:15 PM
Sailor Bug's Avatar
Sailor Bug Sailor Bug is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 3,242
A lasting memory
~~An older Easter article about Tori~~
ELLIOT FERGUSON, SENTINEL-REVIEW
Monday, April 5, 2010 8:42:33 EDT AM

A year ago, Victoria Stafford danced down the aisle at College Avenue Church.

She held a palm leaf over her head, waving it back and forth as she led a Palm Sunday procession.

It is a lasting memory for her family and, for most in the congregation, it is the last time they saw the girl.

"That was Victoria's first Palm Sunday here," said Linda Winters, Victoria's grandmother.

Later that afternoon, Winters helped Victoria sound out the word Jerusalem as they read the Bible story of Palm Sunday together with Victoria's brother Daryn.

Winters read the same Palm Sunday story from the same Bible to the children of College Avenue United Church at this year's service.

"You felt such comfort in Tori," Winters said. "A lot of people saw a little girl who danced around and caused a lot of commotion at school. But if you ever got to know her, the comfort was so overwhelming


http://www.woodstocksentinelreview.c...aspx?e=2520631
__________________
"The dead cannot cry out for justice; it is a duty of the living to do so for them."
★★★★★ ღ♥Lois McMaster Bujold♥ღ ★★★★★
The Following 19 Users Say Thank You to Sailor Bug For This Useful Post:
  #15  
Old 04-05-2012, 04:18 PM
snoofer's Avatar
snoofer snoofer is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,169
Quote:
Originally Posted by captaincanada View Post
So they placed two undercover cops in his holding cell with him and all they got out of him was that he wanted some pills?
unless the info resulted in other investigations
__________________
As always, JMO

Evil is; as evil does.


Prayers for Jun Lin, his family and those that love him.
Justice is patient, relentless in its pursuit and is on the march for Justin Lin....
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to snoofer For This Useful Post:
  #16  
Old 04-05-2012, 04:18 PM
Jezbel's Avatar
Jezbel Jezbel is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 407
Quote:
Originally Posted by greenthumb View Post


There's a peice of Tori's shirt missing as shown in the pic attached to this article... was that missing peice explained in any way? Could it possibly be the peice of grey fabric found in rear of MR's vehicle? There are some definite grey tones in the rest of the shirt. That would be some real physical evidence that would help the Crown's case.

MOO
If I am remembering the testimony correctly, I believe he said something along the lines of it was missing due to decomp/elements etc. Tori was found in the fetal position laying on her right side, the sleeve that is missing is the left and not much was preserved on her left side.

JMO
The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to Jezbel For This Useful Post:
  #17  
Old 04-05-2012, 04:19 PM
Oldsoul2's Avatar
Oldsoul2 Oldsoul2 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,028
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alice Ramnit View Post
Respectfully, I do not think that we know for sure at all! I have not heard of any concrete evidence of that yet.
That is evidence that I am referring to???
__________________
Take the road of truth or it will eventually be done for you
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Oldsoul2 For This Useful Post:
  #18  
Old 04-05-2012, 04:22 PM
Jezbel's Avatar
Jezbel Jezbel is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 407
Quote:
Originally Posted by KMouse View Post
Do men normally keep condoms in their car?
It doesn't surprise me, especially as how he seems to have random s*x in his car (well with TLM anyway) and how he flits between girlfriends.

JMO
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Jezbel For This Useful Post:
  #19  
Old 04-05-2012, 04:28 PM
swedie's Avatar
swedie swedie is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 3,074
Quote:
Originally Posted by captaincanada View Post
So they placed two undercover cops in his holding cell with him and all they got out of him was that he wanted some pills?
That's all they are telling us so far...sorry. More to come. HTH Me's thinking MR got duped...undercovered police. So yes we now learn MR was heavily into drugs, dealing too buy the sounds of it. He was buy from BA at $3 a pill. I am sure he could have gotten a lot more for them on the street. "I'm one of the good guys". pfft good at what? I wish I knew the answers to that. First answer would be LYING.
__________________
RIP Tim. Justice will prevail


Victoria is the Latin word for 'victory' or 'conquer'. And conquer she did! RIP sweet Tori.

May 15/12, Michael Rafferty guilty; abduction, sexual assault causing bodily harm and murder, first degree. 25 years with no chance of parole. R.I.H. P.O.S.
The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to swedie For This Useful Post:
  #20  
Old 04-05-2012, 04:31 PM
roseofsharon roseofsharon is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,586
PAMXS

I believe Matou is correct with "extra strength".

The "pa" could be pain

the "m" could be management

Some type of painkiller.

I've been Googling to find references, but not positive, as there are many subtitles for pamxs.


MOO
The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to roseofsharon For This Useful Post:
  #21  
Old 04-05-2012, 04:32 PM
Oldsoul2's Avatar
Oldsoul2 Oldsoul2 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,028
Quote:
Originally Posted by swedie View Post
That's all they are telling us so far...sorry. More to come. HTH Me's thinking MR got duped...undercovered police. So yes we now learn MR was heavily into drugs, dealing too buy the sounds of it. He was buy from BA at $3 a pill. I am sure he could have gotten a lot more for them on the street. "I'm one of the good guys". pfft good at what? I wish I knew the answers to that. First answer would be LYING.
A friend of mine is a policer officer, said oxys street value is 30$ a pill, he's a dealer, no question. When he said "under the table" he meant under the table.
__________________
Take the road of truth or it will eventually be done for you
The Following 11 Users Say Thank You to Oldsoul2 For This Useful Post:
  #22  
Old 04-05-2012, 04:34 PM
snoofer's Avatar
snoofer snoofer is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,169
Quote:
Originally Posted by swedie View Post
That's all they are telling us so far...sorry. More to come. HTH Me's thinking MR got duped...undercovered police. So yes we now learn MR was heavily into drugs, dealing too buy the sounds of it. He was buy from BA at $3 a pill. I am sure he could have gotten a lot more for them on the street. "I'm one of the good guys". pfft good at what? I wish I knew the answers to that. First answer would be LYING.
I think he rolled his eyes because he got duped by undercovers too.

No offense but this is why you do not enable 28 year olds to sponge at home IMO....the boyfriend was smart to get out. I have no problem with helping an adult child to get on their feet if they are responsible, trustworthy etc. But would not enable a BUM!!!!!! JMO This 28 year old was a parents worst night mare! IMO
__________________
As always, JMO

Evil is; as evil does.


Prayers for Jun Lin, his family and those that love him.
Justice is patient, relentless in its pursuit and is on the march for Justin Lin....
The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to snoofer For This Useful Post:
  #23  
Old 04-05-2012, 04:41 PM
swedie's Avatar
swedie swedie is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 3,074
Quote:
Originally Posted by roseofsharon View Post
Regarding the pamxs .... if this was for the Pumas, why not just write Pumas?
Being as the note included oxys, I guess we're safe to say MR wrote pamxs. Pamxs is short for street talk from the anti anxiety line of meds. Lorazapam, alprazolam, clonazepam, diazepam and lorazepam are a few common ones. moo

Many different types of medications are used in the treatment of anxiety disorders, including traditional anti-anxiety drugs such as benzodiazepines, and newer options like antidepressants and beta-blockers. Once you stop taking the drug, the anxiety symptoms often return in full force. If MR was taking pams also, WOWZERS, withdrawal symptoms galore for a few day after incarceration.
__________________
RIP Tim. Justice will prevail


Victoria is the Latin word for 'victory' or 'conquer'. And conquer she did! RIP sweet Tori.

May 15/12, Michael Rafferty guilty; abduction, sexual assault causing bodily harm and murder, first degree. 25 years with no chance of parole. R.I.H. P.O.S.
The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to swedie For This Useful Post:
  #24  
Old 04-05-2012, 04:41 PM
myzzy's Avatar
myzzy myzzy is offline
Just me!
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: London Ontario
Posts: 541
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldsoul2 View Post
Ok so we now know for sure that Tori was raped in the rear passenger side of the car.
I have yet to see any evidence thus far to say he has, not even enough cicrumstantial eveidence in my opinion either.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldsoul2 View Post
1) The handle on that side was missing, probably removed it due to fingerprints or blood
I have had 2 cars in my life that the door handle was broken off for various reason, this is not a direct indication of evidence tampering

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldsoul2 View Post
2) The seat bottom was missing from that side of the car
Have yet to hear anything one way or another on the seat, so we wait still


They seem to have been very careful to not let evidence be known in this case, so once the forensics get their say we will know a lot more
__________________
My opinion is MINE!
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to myzzy For This Useful Post:
  #25  
Old 04-05-2012, 04:43 PM
snoofer's Avatar
snoofer snoofer is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,169
Quote:
Originally Posted by swedie View Post
Being as the note included oxys, I guess we're safe to say MR wrote pamxs. Pamxs is short for street talk from the anti anxiety line of meds. Lorazapam, alprazolam, clonazepam, diazepam and lorazepam are a few common ones. moo

Many different types of medications are used in the treatment of anxiety disorders, including traditional anti-anxiety drugs such as benzodiazepines, and newer options like antidepressants and beta-blockers. Once you stop taking the drug, the anxiety symptoms often return in full force. If MR was taking pams also, WOWZERS, withdrawal symptoms galore for a few day after incarceration.
yep and ativan is one of the most abused medications...right up there with oxy's...people will knock you over the head to steal those meds IMO
__________________
As always, JMO

Evil is; as evil does.


Prayers for Jun Lin, his family and those that love him.
Justice is patient, relentless in its pursuit and is on the march for Justin Lin....
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to snoofer For This Useful Post:
Closed Thread

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Weekend Discussion Thread 3/24-26/2012 daisy.faithfull Victoria Stafford 530 03-27-2012 08:02 AM
**Verdict watch weekend discussion thread** 3/3-4/2012 nursebeeme Michelle Young 1134 03-05-2012 07:25 AM


© Copyright Websleuths 1999-2012 New To Site? Need Help?
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:58 PM.

Advertisements

Pre-Order Imperfect Justice: Prosecuting Casey Anthony today!