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Old 04-10-2012, 04:52 PM
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JHC This guy is SUCH a loose cannon. Really scary!
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Did that lawyer just say "so that the Martins can begin completing the grieving process"
Since when is there a time limit on grieving ?
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Oh, they have been working pro bono up until an arrest was made. That solves the $$$ issue.
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I hope he isn't suicidal. That IMO would not be justice.
I hope not either. I'm worried that's the direction he's heading in.
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Apparently, GZ is not doing well at all.. emotionally or physically. I think it's time for him to turn himself into a mental clinic. I wouldn't feel safe if I was there either.
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Sonner: Spec Pros Office call was today, they wouldn't speak to him unless he had representation.

Uhrig: We frankly believe correct decision not to charge him, nothing we say today should change that.
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Oh, they have been working pro bono up until an arrest was made. That solves the $$$ issue.
So if they were pro bono, then what was the donation site for?
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"Collect call". He's not in the area.
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So if they were pro bono, then what was the donation site for?
anticipated future legal fees if charges were filed and needed defending.
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Sonner: Spec Pros Office call was today, they wouldn't speak to him unless he had representation.

Uhrig: We frankly believe correct decision not to charge him, nothing we say today should change that.
That was very, very wise for them to not speak to them w/o counsel. If he is arrested and charged, they need to carefully protect their case.
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Sonner: Won't even give him a COLLECT call. He's not local then.
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Apparently, GZ is not doing well at all.. emotionally or physically. I think it's time for him to turn himself into a mental clinic. I wouldn't feel safe if I was there either.
I'm not worried about Zimmerman... I'm worried about the people around Zimmerman. What has happened here, with this case, came from issues Zimmerman had before this happened. I have said from the very beginning that he is not stable. The community needs to be protected from him, IMO.
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So if they were pro bono, then what was the donation site for?
Wasn't it worded something like legal expenses if charges are filed?
Plus living expenses.
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Sonner: Everything I've said I stand by, urge all media to look at all evidence that's out there, don't base decision on raw emotion. (Sorry guys I am missing a lot, hard to transcribe when on a conf call) Not sure how much therapy he's gotten in hiding.
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If his ex lawyers have not had contact with him for the past couple of days and they do not know where he is then how in the world can they expect us to believe them when they say Zimmerman is still in the United States?
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Are we sure that Zimmerman's call actually came in at 7:09:34 pm? The timeline I've been following as I've tried to reason out what happened came from here: http://www.tampabay.com/news/publics...n-died/1223083

If the call came in at 7:11, then Zimmerman saw Trayvon start running at 7:13 and he hung up with the operator at 7:15. Cell phone records show that Trayvon's girlfriend called him at 7:12 and the call ended at 7:16 just after she heard Trayvon ask why Zimmerman was following him and Zimmerman ask why Travyon was there. As I understand it since the record came from the bill, it's possible that the call ended between 7:15:30 and 7:16 since the minutes are rounded up on the bill (I could be wrong about this). 911 calls started coming in at 7:16. The shooting was at 7:16:41 and the police arrived at 7:17.

That timeline would allow for Trayvon to either run or walk fast and be nearly home when overtaken just after 7:15 by a Zimmerman who had continued to follow while speaking to the operator, if one believes the girlfriend's account which is that Trayvon told her that Zimmerman was behind him again. Her account that he told her about a suspicious man following him, that she urged him to run, and he said he would just walk very fast fits with this timeline of Zimmerman saying Trayvon was running at 7:13. Her account and Trayvon's cell phone bill fits with the reports of an argument reported by at least one witness before the scuffle or wrestling and wailing and yelling for help prompted a 911 call at 7:16. It also leaves very little time before Trayvon was shot. It's hard for me to believe that the confrontation could have become life and dead for Zimmerman so quickly and makes me think that it's more likely that an angry Zimmerman shot Trayvon because Trayvon fought back not because his life was in danger.
One of our members, csziggy, did a very detailed timeline analysis that can be found at this post:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - FL 17 y/o Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #12


They list the specific links with the city which were the basis for the work.

The timeline generated by much work on our member's part shows the call being connected at 19:09:34, military time or 7:09:34 regular time. That's the basis for all of my time related calculations.

Feel free to check it out if you haven't seen it before. I'm just not sure if the city links are still there after last week's announcement about taking down information.

Considering the source being one of our own, and believing in the effort and accuracy of their work is the reason I use that time for the beginning of this analysis.

In short, I'll ride with a WS member any ole day as to being right, LOL.
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I hope their verbal whipping of the media will have some affect on their treatment of him.
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Uhrig: GZ can't go down to 7-11 and buy a diet coke. He's emotionally alone and you might say emotionally crippled by this case. He goes anywhere, comes out to a view that looks like this (indicating media)
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Sonner: Spec Pros Office call was today, they wouldn't speak to him unless he had representation.

Uhrig: We frankly believe correct decision not to charge him, nothing we say today should change that.
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I missed this, were they saying a decision has been made not to charge?
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Old 04-10-2012, 04:56 PM
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Did his attorney just say that?

"GZ probably can't go to 711 and buy a diet coke".

Well, he wouldn't be the first one who couldn't go to the 711 to buy something.. bad choice of words, ex attorney.
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HU: George can't even go out to buy a diet coke.

Aww... neither can Trayvon.
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If his ex lawyers have not had contact with him for the past couple of days and they do not know where he is then how in the world can they expect us to believe them when they say Zimmerman is still in the United States?
It wouldn't be hard for GZ to leave the US from Fla if he wished to. Lots of easy options.
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Sonner: Had communicated via text, email, phone calls. He has right to counsel of his choice. Up to day of filing, if there were media issues which I didn't expect this much, up to filing or charges was pro bono. GZ owes me no money.
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Uhrig: GZ can't go down to 7-11 and buy a diet coke. He's emotionally alone and you might say emotionally crippled by this case. He goes anywhere, comes out to a view that looks like this (indicating media)
What a stupid thing to say given that Trayvon wasn't allowed to do just that thanks to their former client.

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Sonner: Won't even give him a COLLECT call. He's not local then.
Collect call...don't most cell phones cover the entire country without long distance charges? That tells me he's not local at all. Kwim?
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