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Old 04-10-2012, 05:54 PM
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At this point in the investigation we don't KNOW exactly who ALL the victims are now. We KNOW that Trayvon is a victim, because he is dead. However, news breaks and new leaks come forth everyday and it is still unclear whether Zimmerman was a victim of any violence. Until more verifiable FACTS are available, WS has chosen to err on the side of treating both the confirmed (Trayvon) AND potential (Zimmerman) victim, both as victims.
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Old 04-10-2012, 05:59 PM
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After learning all we've learned about GZ today, go back and listen to his call to police.
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:00 PM
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Talk about a ride on the crazy train today...just whoa...
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:00 PM
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The lawyers said they were working for free until he gets arrested. I think that is their words.
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:01 PM
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:01 PM
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Talk about a ride on the crazy train today...just whoa...
I knew better than to follow another case in Florida.
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:03 PM
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George is not going crazy. This is George and how he has always been. He called the cops on his landlord because the landlord wanted rent and George did not feel it was right because the house was being foreclosed on.
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:03 PM
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That's right-they considered themselves his attorneys

(brought this over from other thread so may be UGLY)
and it's GZ who told the SA when he called them directly that the two attorneys were just his "legal advisers" and not his attorneys. Naturally, the SA's office would not speak with him further as it would be unethical.

I just can't believe that they stood there and stated they were withdrawing as counsel and then proceeded to continue to speak about and for their former client. I find that highly questionable in the ethical realm. You need permission to speak publicly and share information the client divulged to you. However, I wonder what, if anything, was divulged or whether they got all their info from the father and the media? I know I found it odd that they continued to not meet with their client. At first I thought it was so they would not be able to "see" his serious "injuries" but after all this time even his life threatening shaken baby injuries would likely be healed to the human eye so it was likely just George being controlling. Honestly, as time goes on he seems nuttier and nuttier.




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I don't think it matters if they were paid or not; a pro bono client relationship is just as good as a paid one afaik. IMO an attorney doesn't have to meet your client personally either in order to work with them although it would help tremendously imo.

Was it the attorneys or GZ who said that they weren't his attys but only his legal advisers?

They have been referred to as his attorneys in the media multiple times until now and no one has ever objected to the description until now.
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When I heard the lawyers were calling a presser I was sure that they were announcing GZ'z arrest. LOL Boy, was I off.
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:04 PM
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"Couth". Those two (especially the older fella) are not "couthy" at all!! What a shameful shame. I cannot believe that these two attorneys turned a press conference into a side show. A simple, "we are no longer GZ's attorneys of record. Please direct any further inquiries to RZ" would have sufficed.

I would be calling the Florida Bar right now if I were GZ. There is no need for the world to know that he is out of Florida. That was told in confidence!!!
Did I hear this right???? Did I hear Atty Sonner say that GZ was obviously close if he planned to turn himself in????? Someone then asked if he knew where he was and he laughed and said no and if someone else knows where he is I won't tell you who that is either???? The only thing he did not say was "it starts with an O and ends with an O" (he did not say that, just an example). Then he said if GZ wanted him to, Sonner could bring him in to turn himself in and then back peddled to, but not in my car, not my car, I would not bring him in my car, I'd make special arrangements. lol How do these attorneys make any money? Why are they still attorneys????? jmo
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Anyone think the lawyers quitting is a stall tactic?
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:05 PM
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George is not going crazy. This is George and how he has always been. He called the cops on his landlord because the landlord wanted rent and George did not feel it was right because the house was being foreclosed on.
His former atty from 2005 said on hln that he was an 'assertive' client.
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:06 PM
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Could this whole "withdraw" from legal counsel have been a ploy?

I mean, things had calmed down a lot! People were calmly waiting for the decision from the SA? Now all the sudden, these two lawyers, who are not even GZ's lawyers, come out swinging and bring back a lot of raw emotions that were there at the beginning? I think their plan was to bait the public so they could get everyone angry again and hope for it to boil over so much so that when Zimmerman is arrested, the potential jury would be influenced by any countering statements/actions made?

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Man Vinnie speaking to states he feels GZ has paranoid issues.
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That was the dadgummist thing I ever saw...........
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His former atty from 2005 said on hln that he was an 'assertive' client.


Thin line between assertive and aggressive...

Says a lot about him in general IMO
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Anyone think the lawyers quitting is a stall tactic?
Are they even lawyers?

This entire press conference has to be the most bizarre thing I have ever heard of.

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Crump "great concern for family of TM"...they ask "does this mean they don't know where GZ is at" they ask "is he a flight risk"?
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After learning all we've learned about GZ today, go back and listen to his call to police.
Can you be more specific??? I'm suffering from shell shock over this pressor???
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Anyone think the lawyers quitting is a stall tactic?
I don't see why. If Corey decides to arrest him she won't base it on whether he has an attorney or not.
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That was the dadgummist thing I ever saw...........
There has to be something in the water down there?????
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Are they even lawyers?

This entire press conference has to be the most bizarre thing I have ever heard of.

Mark Nejame on HLN says there's got to be more going on...losing contact for a day or so isn't a reason to drop a client.
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There was always something so fishy about the attorneys never meeting with him face to face. Now even more so. IMO

That was a shameful display for those men who call themselves attorneys. I'm embarassed for them. Shameful an unprofessional! Some of the pundits keep saying they're well respected. If they once were, they are no longer. IMO
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I don't see why. If Corey decides to arrest him she won't base it on whether he has an attorney or not.
She won't talk to him without an attorney, and I believe I read or heard that a meeting was set up with Zimmerman. I don't know, I was just thinking...so confused lol
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