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Old 04-12-2012, 11:06 AM
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:13 AM
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Is there any word on what time the bond hearing is?
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:14 AM
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Is there any word on what time the bond hearing is?
1:30 pm Florida time.
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:14 AM
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is there any word on what time the bond hearing is?
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:14 AM
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:15 AM
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darn it! I lost all my quotes to comment on from the last thread!
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:16 AM
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Any idea if and when we would getto see docs. Will any evidence be presented at the pretrial about the syg defense?
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:20 AM
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Just wanted to state that not all of FL is in EST -- I'm on CST and always seem to get the time change wrong
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:25 AM
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What i can't wait for, is all this "secret evidence" to come out. If Zimmerman had the wounds he says he did, i want to see the photographs, i want to see or hear the testimoney of the EMT onsite that attended to him. He says he was bleeding? Then the defense should be able to say where the blood was at on Trayvon. Surely is he's pinning him, punching him in the face, nose and banging hs head on the cement, while muffling his cries for help (per Robert Zimmerman's speech last night) Trayvon had to have some blood on his clothing belonging to Zimmerman???

On the other hand, i think the prosecution is sitting on something, either witness testimony, video that hasn't been released yet, something that nails Zimmerman, or else that would of pursued manslaughter. There's got to be some "smoking gun" that's going to make us all say... "Well there's no ducking your way out of this George!"
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:28 AM
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What i can't wait for, is all this "secret evidence" to come out. If Zimmerman had the wounds he says he did, i want to see the photographs, i want to see or hear the testimoney of the EMT onsite that attended to him. He says he was bleeding? Then the defense should be able to say where the blood was at on Trayvon. Surely is he's pinning him, punching him in the face, nose and banging hs head on the cement, while muffling his cries for help (per Robert Zimmerman's speech last night) Trayvon had to have some blood on his clothing belonging to Zimmerman???

On the other hand, i think the prosecution is sitting on something, either witness testimony, video that hasn't been released yet, something that nails Zimmerman, or else that would of pursued manslaughter. There's got to be some "smoking gun" that's going to make us all say... "Well there's no ducking your way out of this George!"
Maybe looking for a plea?
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I *really* hope the crime scene was processed properly. . .
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:28 AM
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Etilema, in response to your question about the knocking sound on the 911 call.....

I dunno. I guess that's why I am so curious about the outside sounds in this call.

According to csziggy's post on the last thread there were 3 sets of 3 knocks, 2:41:70. 3:04:07, & 3:07:40. Am I figuring it correctly at 26 seconds total?

Those dadgum mysterious knocks vex me!

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Old 04-12-2012, 11:31 AM
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Here is a quick and VERY amateur video I just made regarding the PF9, as there were some questions earlier about sounds in the 911 call. I don't know what the sounds were, but wanted to show what sound this would make if you were "preparing to use/carry etc.."

I'm not a gun expert, just someone who carries.


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Old 04-12-2012, 11:32 AM
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Anyone found any online streaming links for the bond hearing?


ETA: HLN just said they will cover it live - I would still like a streaming link because they always cut to commercials
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:32 AM
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What i can't wait for, is all this "secret evidence" to come out. If Zimmerman had the wounds he says he did, i want to see the photographs, i want to see or hear the testimoney of the EMT onsite that attended to him. He says he was bleeding? Then the defense should be able to say where the blood was at on Trayvon. Surely is he's pinning him, punching him in the face, nose and banging hs head on the cement, while muffling his cries for help (per Robert Zimmerman's speech last night) Trayvon had to have some blood on his clothing belonging to Zimmerman???

On the other hand, i think the prosecution is sitting on something, either witness testimony, video that hasn't been released yet, something that nails Zimmerman, or else that would of pursued manslaughter. There's got to be some "smoking gun" that's going to make us all say... "Well there's no ducking your way out of this George!"
The initial police report stated he was bleeding from his nose and the back of his head.

I know a lot of people do not believe that report, but I just thought I'd point that out.
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:33 AM
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Time Zone challenged! Thanks. I'm central too and always mess it up.
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The initial police report stated he was bleeding from his nose and the back of his head.

I know a lot of people do not believe that report, but I just thought I'd point that out.
I dont disbelieve it, I just dont know its cause. maybe it was like one brilliant poster yesterday said, perhaps the recoil from the gun caused the injuries. perhaps in trayvon's fight for his life against an armed man who was following him he got a few hits in. he died for nothing more than Zimmerman's overzealousness so I sure wouldnt begrudge him some self defense.
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:37 AM
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Here is a quick and VERY amateur video I just made regarding the PF9, as there were some questions earlier about sounds in the 911 call. I don't know what the sounds were, but wanted to show what sound this would make if you were "preparing to use/carry etc.."

I'm not a gun expert, just someone who carries.

PF9 - YouTube

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Thanks. That was scary, but awesome!
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I dont disbelieve it, I just dont know its cause. maybe it was like one brilliant poster yesterday said, perhaps the recoil from the gun caused the injuries. perhaps in trayvon's fight for his life against an armed man who was following him he got a few hits in. he died for nothing more than Zimmerman's overzealousness so I sure wouldnt begrudge him some self defense.
We also don't know if some of that blood came from Trayvon. I doubt that they tested to see if any of the blood was Trayvon's.

Witnesses said ( paraphrasing ) that right after the shooting he was walking with his hands on his head.

Sadly, I don't think we'll ever know the answer to that.

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Here is a quick and VERY amateur video I just made regarding the PF9, as there were some questions earlier about sounds in the 911 call. I don't know what the sounds were, but wanted to show what sound this would make if you were "preparing to use/carry etc.."

I'm not a gun expert, just someone who carries.

PF9 - YouTube

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That was so helpful, Anadarko! Thanks so much for taking the time to do this video for us. YOU ROCK!

Ok now off to compare the sounds in the 911 call!

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The initial police report stated he was bleeding from his nose and the back of his head.

I know a lot of people do not believe that report, but I just thought I'd point that out.
Initial report also states by a PO “While the SFD was attending to Zimmerman, I over heard him state “I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me.”

At this time he did not know that the scream was captures on the 911 call. It is my opinion that it WAS GZ screaming on the 911 tape.
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How long does that screaming last until the shots are fired? Would anybody have had time to hear and come save him?
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Initial report also states by a PO “While the SFD was attending to Zimmerman, I over heard him state “I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me.”

At this time he did not know that the scream was captures on the 911 call. It is my opinion that it WAS GZ screaming on the 911 tape.
I agree.
I think it was GZ also.

From the evidence I have SEEN:
I think he was attacked.
I think he wanted help so he didn't have to shoot TM.

I think this is self defense.

BUT, I have not seen all the evidence and I try to look at each new thing with an open mind.

2nd degree murder? I'm thinking they have something pretty solid.
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BBM.

GZ did not make 46 calls in a year. The call records show that he made about 45 calls from 2004 to 2012, that's about an eight-year period. It's this sort of misinformation that makes me feel sympathy for GZ. The truth is bad enough, it doesn't require embellishment.

(Not directed at you Donjeta, I just find it frustrating that this bad info is still floating around in the memesphere.)

JMO, OMO, and
thanks for the correction. I'll rephrase and say that I find it astonishing that he didn't know the street addresses after all that time he'd spent on neighborhood watch patrol and dealing with whichever issues the residents thought fit to call him about after the flyer was published instructing them to.

There are not that many streets there.
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