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Old 04-15-2012, 05:55 PM
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A minute at the most. That is just a football field.
I agree, 1 minute, more or less.

Notice the real time counter on the 911 snips? George got out of his truck and started the 317' walk at [2:08] run time or 07:11:43 pm real time.

Am I wrong or isn't a minute later [3:08] run time or 07:12:43 pm real time?

George was still on the phone with the 911 dispatcher until [4:07] run time or 07:13:41 pm real time.

How exactly was Trayvon supposed to be beating his azz before he ever got off the phone with 911?
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I think I did it right, but it would take 44 seconds, walking at a solid 3.0 speed, to get 317 feet.
You did it right.
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I agree, 1 minute, more or less.

Notice the real time counter on the 911 snips? George got out of his truck and started the 317' walk at [2:08] run time or 07:11:43 pm real time.

Am I wrong or isn't a minute later [3:08] run time or 07:12:43 pm real time?

George was still on the phone with the 911 dispatcher until [4:07] run time or 07:13:41 pm real time.

How exactly was Trayvon supposed to be beating his azz before he ever got off the phone with 911?
You are right. It is total nonsense.
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I agree, 1 minute, more or less.

Notice the real time counter on the 911 snips? George got out of his truck and started the 317' walk at [2:08] run time or 07:11:43 pm real time.

Am I wrong or isn't a minute later [3:08] run time or 07:12:43 pm real time?

George was still on the phone with the 911 dispatcher until [4:07] run time or 07:13:41 pm real time.

How exactly was Trayvon supposed to be beating his azz before he ever got off the phone with 911?
Thank you, Papa. I just can't wrap my mind around there being enough time for this to have occurred as the Zimmerman camp has said it did. JMO
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Old 04-15-2012, 06:03 PM
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You did it right.
If he was walking back, how long would it take him to get to the area where Trayvon "jumped him from behind?" 22 more seconds or less?
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And why he didn't just drive around the block to check the address is another question? He was not getting out of that car to check an address. He was following Trayvon.

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Trayvon went down the walkway between the rows of townhouses. If GZ really needed an address, he could have given the one that his truck was parked in front of and simply said he was behind that house. Once I called 911 when I saw a kid jumping over my neighbor's back fence late one night (we have had a lot of break-ins here, too). I didn't know her address and just gave mine and described where her house was from mine.
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Trayvon went down the walkway between the rows of townhouses. If GZ really needed an address, he could have given the one that his truck was parked in front of and simply said he was behind that house. Once I called 911 when I saw a kid jumping over my neighbor's back fence late one night (we have had a lot of break-ins here, too). I didn't know her address and just gave mine and described where her house was from mine.
Gotta love how he was so quick to come up with an alternative story? It's going to be interesting to see if this was stated on his original report and recorded interview that night or if this was something added later?
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Old 04-15-2012, 06:10 PM
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Am I reading this correctly that it only takes you a minute to walk the length of a football field? Dang, your legs must be much longer than mine are
I timed it on my treadmill at a pretty fast walk (as I think George was walking fast) and it took 44 seconds.

I remember in track, we used to race to see if we could make it under a minute to run around the track that surrounded the football field? So I guess it's possible?
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Old 04-15-2012, 06:11 PM
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You are right. It is total nonsense.
Bear in mind Doc, thanks to a leak to the Orlando Sentinel, we know this isn't just Robert's story. It's also more or less what George told LE! The City Manager verified it!

I put the article and document up last night at this post:

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Bear in mind Doc, thanks to a leak to the Orlando Sentinel, we know this isn't just Robert's story. It's also more or less what George told LE! The City Manager verified it!

I put the article and document up last night at this post:

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I think it's the story they came up with together? All of them!

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Old 04-15-2012, 06:14 PM
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If he was walking back, how long would it take him to get to the area where Trayvon "jumped him from behind?" 22 more seconds or less?
The 317 feet INCLUDES that distance. That's the distance from his truck to the next street over AND back to where the sidewalks intersect.

No need or reason to add any more time. You're already there.
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Old 04-15-2012, 06:16 PM
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The 317 feet INCLUDES that distance. That's the distance from his truck to the next street over AND back to where the sidewalks intersect.

No need or reason to add any more time. You're already therre.
Oh wow! Sweet! I should have known you had added it all together. I missed almost a whole day yesterday and haven't really caught up!

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Old 04-15-2012, 06:16 PM
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I think it's the story they came up with together? All of them!

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IDK, I'm shaking my head, not only at their story, but at SPD for buying it!

I'd be willing to bet Barney Fife would've seen through this bs.
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Old 04-15-2012, 06:20 PM
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Oh wow! Sweet! I should have known you had added it all together. I missed almost a whole day yesterday and haven't really caught up!

And don't even get me started on how the body was located almost 100 feet away according to BOTH the SPD report AND the SFD fire and rescue dispatch tape!
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Old 04-15-2012, 06:21 PM
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Does Zimmerman's defense team get to do discovery for the SYG hearing or does their SYG defense depend on what they and their client can provide for evidence? I guess they would have to be able to have discovery to see what the prosecution has to fight their SYG claim?

If they do get discovery, will that make whatever they get available to the public under the Sunshine Law?
The hearing is just like a regular trial except no jury. So each side will see what the other has in the way of evidence ( through discovery) and the defense will have to present their case; witnesses, records, the whole enchilada.

But let's not forget, prior to all this the defendant also has the opportunity to ask for a regular old garden variety dismissal after they review discovery. When that gets denied then they will move on to the SYG hearing (I assume) for immunity there.

What makes SYG unique is this pre trial hearing for immunity. The self defense-defense is not really unique in and of itself- it is the SYG immunity that is the twist.

as always JMHO.
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I think it's the story they came up with together? All of them!

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Was there time that night for GZ to call his family and come up with the story we have now or were GZ's family and "friends" relaying and embellishing what he told them later?
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Was there time that night for GZ to call his family and come up with the story we have now or were GZ's family and "friends" relaying and embellishing what he told them later?
Who knows? Once I read that article from the Sentinel and saw the press release from the City Manager verifying it being what GZ had told SPD, I realized each other's stories are very nearly word for word the same. The only difference is in the Sentinel article, reference is made to a "one minute time gap" that Robert Zimmerman filled in with "looking for an address, yada, yada, yada".

Either way, it doesn't work.
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Old 04-15-2012, 06:32 PM
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Instead of discussing ad nauseum the minutia of esoteric details that may or may not play a role in the ultimate resolution of this case, how about considering what I see as an elephant in the room of Mr. Zimmermanís stated reasons and justification for a defense of Stand Your Ground?



Watch this video. Listen to George Zimmermanís words, not mine or yours. Listen to Robert Zimmermanís words regarding the actions of his son.

Between the words of George, Robert, and the 911 call itself a step by step picture of the alleged actions and timeline of George Zimmerman and his SYG defense is laid out for us.

The Flawed Core of George Zimmerman's Stand Your Ground Defense - YouTube

How long do YOU think it should take to walk 317 feet?

Then, as many of you have done so many times for a long, long time, show me why this story isnít an elephant.
May I just add that we know Travon Martin had a reason to dawdle during the missing two minutes: he was chatting on the phone with his girlfriend.

But per GZ's story, he had nothing to do but walk directly to the next street, check the house number and then walk back to his truck. On a cold, rainy night, there shouldn't have been any reason not to do so quickly, imo.
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May I just add that we know Travon Martin had a reason to dawdle during the missing two minutes: he was chatting on the phone with his girlfriend.

But per GZ's story, he had nothing to do but walk directly to the next street, check the house number and then walk back to his truck. On a cold, rainy night, there shouldn't have been any reason not to do so quickly, imo.
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Wasn't it during this time that Trayvon was trying to elude the man who was watching him? His girlfriend said that he felt that he had lost him and he would walk fast but not run.
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heres what i wonder...if after the defense receives its first set of discovery , can they change their defense strategy and forgo the whole stand your ground defense? and if they do, what other defense could they claim?
Yes, they can change their strategy, but it's hard to imagine they will.

It's too late to claim GZ didn't shoot TM.

I suppose they could switch to some sort of insanity defense, but those almost never work nowadays.
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Walking to the next street to get a house number is just patently absurd. George is a coward, imo.

I think George ran around the first set of houses on Twin Trees, cut through inbetween that set and the next set, and accosted Trayvon (who was turned around looking north for signs of George) on the sidewalk by sneaking up behind him and pulling on Trayvon's arm or the hood of his sweatshirt with his gun already drawn.

Similar to one of Concerned Poppa's theories, but I don't think George went all the way around to Retreat View Circle, I think he cut through from Twin Trees Lane.

Anyhow, that's what I think, and its just my opinion.
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welll then, if it does match, then i would think the sa overcharged. But im not sure how the evidence from trayvons autopsy would help exonerate gz. Evidence of gzs injuries, i believe would help. If there are signs of a struggle on trayvons body it would only prove that an altercation did happen. i could be missing something though??
I believe in some cases a distinction can be made between offensive and defensive injuries which might shed light on what happened during the altercation.
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I was going to get on my treadmill and time it out... give me a rough estimate on the number I need for 317 feet.... because I was going to get on and count 317 steps! Math is not my thing.
For the average person, one step is approximately 2.5 feet.

http://www.thewalkingsite.com/10000steps.html


So if you walked 500 steps, that was roughly 1,250 feet or almost a quarter of a mile. Much farther than the distances covered by GZ on foot that night.
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I agree, 1 minute, more or less.

Notice the real time counter on the 911 snips? George got out of his truck and started the 317' walk at [2:08] run time or 07:11:43 pm real time.

Am I wrong or isn't a minute later [3:08] run time or 07:12:43 pm real time?

George was still on the phone with the 911 dispatcher until [4:07] run time or 07:13:41 pm real time.

How exactly was Trayvon supposed to be beating his azz before he ever got off the phone with 911?
Exactly. And why didn't he report the address he was allegedly getting for the dispatcher? They were still on the phone at the time GZ supposedly got to the other street.
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