17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #25

[Adrienne37]

Originally Posted by songline

I think that Oliver is a good friend who spoke to the point and was interviewed by a bear...
Lawrence O’Donnell GILLED Oliver and then spun too.

OLIVER held his own. Yes he is a good friend, and is interfamily related too...

He admitted that he had basically no relationship with Zimmerman at all, was just a coworker so how is that being a good friend much less being interfamily?


~jmo~

[Velouria]

Originally Posted by songline

I think that Oliver is a good friend who spoke to the point and was interviewed by a bear...
Lawrence O’Donnell GILLED Oliver and then spun too.

OLIVER held his own. Yes he is a good friend, and is interfamily related too...

He has admitted that he is NOT a close friend on more than one occasion and is most definitely not related to GZ. Oliver's wife is only friends with GZ's mother-in-law.

[IzzyBlanche]

Originally Posted by RANCH

Rhornsby says "self-reported" when speaking of the broken nose in his article. I referenced the head injuries and grass on the jacket as being on the police report.


http://blog.richardhornsby.com/

Oh okay, I may have misinterpreted. Thanks for the clarification.

[LolaMoon08]

Originally Posted by jaded cat

On the surface, I agree with you. However, when or how would RHornsby have a chance to see any of the forensics? I hope he comes back to tell us more and maybe answer a few of these questions!

He will! Don't worry! Mr. Hornsby is pretty cool! He's been a member here for a while.

[Emma Peel]

Originally Posted by csziggy

Joe Oliver also has shown some very bad judgement in the past:

I noticed this is a complaint filed 23 years ago?

The complaint alleges libel, fraud and invasion of privacy, and seeks an unspecified amount in damages.

Respectfully, how do we leap from a complaint filed 23 years ago to a conclusion that "Joe Oliver has shown some very bad judgement in the past"?

Was this complaint thrown out? Was it struck down? Was it settled? Did it go to trial? Do we have the documentation that explains Joe's role and how it was his responsibility?

This doesn't show bad judgement to me. It shows the guy was working in media back then, though.

[IzzyBlanche]

Originally Posted by songline

I agree with Mr. Hornsby.

Why?

I am very interested to understand why you think Joe Oliver was "good" for RZ when he's contradicting himself all over the place, IMO.

[csziggy]

Originally Posted by Velouria

oooh, I do hope the defense calls Taaffe to the stand. That should be good.

Would the prosecution get to ask Taaffe about his background?

[RANCH]

Originally Posted by jaded cat

On the surface, I agree with you. However, when or how would RHornsby have a chance to see any of the forensics? I hope he comes back to tell us more and maybe answer a few of these questions!

I think that Richard is basing his opinions on the information that we all have, just like all the other members of WS are doing. I've haven't seen him claim any "insider" information on this case. JMO.

[Emma Peel]

Originally Posted by Velouria

oooh, I do hope the defense calls Taaffe to the stand. That should be good.

LOLOL.

OMG, I hope MOM's smarter than that. You know, for the sake of GZ getting a fair trial and all.

But, if prosecution did call Taaffee, defense would cross.


I understand the concern about Taaffee. Kind of a partner-in-arms.
Taaffee kinda sticks in my craw.




and that's 2many puns in 1 post.

[Karmady]

Originally Posted by Velouria

IMO, GZ's nose actually looks better in his most recent mug shot than it did in all the previous photos we've seen!

Not a big fan of personal anecdotes, but that's not always enough to stop me!

The bridge of my nose has been broken several times. You can't tell at all unless you look really closely exactly where I tell you to or if you touch it. Then it is really obvious. My nose remains small and otherwise straight to the point that people comment on it once they know it's been broken multiple times. Once it broke the first time, the future breaks came easily and were along the same path.

[highflyer]

Originally Posted by Emma Peel

Hmmm...

I agree with rhornsby.
I don't think JO did poorly.
I think LO and CBlow came across a bit over the top.

Have we learned anything about where GZ & JO worked?
Did JO really leave work to help out GZ? Is it possible his workplace gave him a paid leave, and JO is just respecting his employer's privacy on that issue?

Digital Risk

[IzzyBlanche]

Originally Posted by songline

I think that Oliver is a good friend who spoke to the point and was interviewed by a bear...
Lawrence O’Donnell GILLED Oliver and then spun too.

OLIVER held his own. Yes he is a good friend, and is interfamily related too...

Even if you are interviewed by a bear, if you are telling the truth your story doesn't contradict itself.

Which JO's does.

[Dr.Fessel]

I think in the long run it is going to be important what is exactly said on the police report about George's back.

Officer Smith never said anything about grass stains. He said George's back was wet and covered in grass as if he had been laying on his back.







Pretty important evidence to just let go and have him ride in the police car and lean against a wall in the police station with.

No stains, just loose grass.



http://cnninsession.files.wordpress....olicreport.pdf

[Velouria]

Originally Posted by csziggy

Would the prosecution get to ask Taaffe about his background?

I don't know how much leeway they'll have there in the beginning, but I feel certain that Mr. T will say something that opens the door wide enough for the prosecution to drive a truck through.

[Emma Peel]

Originally Posted by Adrienne37

Bumping l.b.nora's post 714. Just as he said, Oliver had a whole lot of interviews at the beginning of this case and if I recall correctly, there was some references made that "George told me this, George told me that" so yes, if he stated something in any of them, no matter how mundane they may seem, he can be called as a witness.



~jmo~

okay.
thanks for this Adrienne. I will make a point to catch up and watch them soon.

fessel usually bonks me on the head with this stuff I've missed but I think he's watchin' the tube & letting y'all do all the work.

anyway, appreciate it.

[JBean]

Originally Posted by IzzyBlanche

Why?

I am very interested to understand why you think Joe Oliver was "good" for RZ when he's contradicting himself all over the place, IMO.

Well, I think when Joe Oliver explains that the word "goon" is sometimes used as a term of endearment, it really helps us to better understand the situation that night.

[Emma Peel]

Originally Posted by Dr.Fessel

I think in the long run it is going to be important what is exactly said on the police report about George's back.

Officer Smith never said anything about grass stains. He said George's back was wet and covered in grass as if he had been laying on his back.







Pretty important evidence to just let go and have him ride in the police car and lean against a wall in the police station with.

No stains, just lose grass.



http://cnninsession.files.wordpress....olicreport.pdf

oh, there you are.

gotta tell richard that. I agree. Gosh, the altercation evidence is the key evidence here. For realzies.

The confused friends trying to support GZ on TV? Not so important. Although I know you're lovin the "go with that story" quote.

[jaded cat]

Originally Posted by Emma Peel

I noticed this is a complaint filed 23 years ago?



Respectfully, how do we leap from a complaint filed 23 years ago to a conclusion that "Joe Oliver has shown some very bad judgement in the past"?

Was this complaint thrown out? Was it struck down? Was it settled? Did it go to trial? Do we have the documentation that explains Joe's role and how it was his responsibility?

This doesn't show bad judgement to me. It shows the guy was working in media back then, though.

I agree with this. I so do not want people holding against me the bad things I did or poor judgement I exhibited in the past. I'd have no friends and most of my family might have disowned me.

Ok, nothing terrible or criminal but I was thoughtless, I ran my mouth a few times when I should have kept quiet and I hurt some people by my deliberate acts. Thank heavens we all get older and our true friends and family are willing to forgive us.

I hold someone in a public position to a higher standard, all the time remembering they are just human too.

[jaded cat]

Originally Posted by Karmady

Not a big fan of personal anecdotes, but that's not always enough to stop me!

The bridge of my nose has been broken several times. You can't tell at all unless you look really closely exactly where I tell you to or if you touch it. Then it is really obvious. My nose remains small and otherwise straight to the point that people comment on it once they know it's been broken multiple times. Once it broke the first time, the future breaks came easily and were along the same path.

Ouch! MrJC had his nose broken twice and said the same thing about his.

[Dr.Fessel]

Originally Posted by Velouria

I don't know how much leeway they'll have there in the beginning, but I feel certain that Mr. T will say something that opens the door wide enough for the prosecution to drive a truck through.

I really think Francis Taaffe is a loose cannon. I don't think Zimmerman's lawyer can stop him and I think he is about scared to try.

In my book Taaffe could flip to the other side in the blink of an eye. He is loving this spotlight. All IMO

[IzzyBlanche]

Originally Posted by LolaMoon08

BBM Could you expand on this?

I am not trying to speak for Songline, but I believe the reference is to JO saying that GZ's MIL is a close friend of his (JO's) family.

JO says that in the link I posted earlier.

[Velouria]

Originally Posted by LolaMoon08

That is what I assumed... I just never knew that? So it's new to me? Good to know though! This explains RZ saying they had "black family" and that GZ "mentored black children." Which, IMO, would mean his own nieces or nephews!

IF it is true he belongs to that family?

NOoooo! I mean no, Lola, he doesn't.

Joe Oliver's wife is friends with GZ's mother-in-law. That's it. No relation through blood or marriage.

[IzzyBlanche]

Originally Posted by songline

I agree with Mr. Hornsby.

In what respect?

[octobermoon]

I give up

G'night all

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[Emma Peel]

Okay, so Digital Risk.

I just looked at their website. Mortgage Loan work-out company.

Did we ever learn what GZ did, specifically for Digital Risk?

It could be clerical, data-entry, bookkeeping, collections, appraisals, insurance, or physically driving around to properties completing reports or doing property condition punch lists, property maintenance ...

I can see if he worked for this firm, why he might think about law. But not criminal law - Real Estate law.

Any ideas what work he did for them?