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Well, when you take it out of context, not much. But within the context that the OP laid out, it shows a pattern of irresponsible and, IMO, narcissistic behaviour.
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Well, when you take it out of context, not much. But within the context that the OP laid out, it shows a pattern of irresponsible and, IMO, narcissistic behaviour.
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I kind of agree with the irresponsible part and it may mean he has problems with accountability of some sort, but not narcissism. There are millions of people who default on credit cards, and his was a relatively small amount.
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Well, when you take it out of context, not much. But within the context that the OP laid out, it shows a pattern of irresponsible and, IMO, narcissistic behaviour.
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It also goes to the history he has with not wanting to pay for things he is responsible for paying. He didn't want to pay rent to a landlord (called cops), didn't want to pay someone for their services (call cops), now the credit card, and also him throwing himself a nice little party for a degree he didn't have. It's a pattern. Everything in his life these past few years shows a pattern of a man who imo, was a ticking time bomb. His sense of self-entitlement is, IMO, off the charts!
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It also goes to the history he has with not wanting to pay for things he is responsible for paying. He didn't want to pay rent to a landlord (called cops), didn't want to pay someone for their services (call cops), now the credit card, and also him throwing himself a nice little party for a degree he didn't have. It's a pattern. Everything in his life these past few years shows a pattern of a man who imo, was a ticking time bomb. His sense of self-entitlement is, IMO, off the charts!
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Maybe the folks who attended the party knew the circumstances of what he was celebrating (that he was close to getting a degree). Although I guess that would be assuming things we don't know.
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Maybe the folks who attended the party knew the circumstances of what he was celebrating (that he was close to getting a degree). Although I guess that would be assuming things we don't know.
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Maybe? But, according to the "friend" that reported this story, he said George had informed them all that he had gotten his AA in criminal justice? Whatever floats his boat, I guess? I personally think he was trying to get his parents approval, as it seems he and his brother were not really raised by them? The same way I feel he wanted the approval of LE? I just think he has problem? Like serious problems!
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I kind of agree with the irresponsible part and it may mean he has problems with accountability of some sort, but not narcissism. There are millions of people who default on credit cards, and his was a relatively small amount.
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I can understand that if you take it out of context. The totality of his behaviour suggests to me a narcissistic component. For example, I think he fancies himself as the hero of his high flying fantasies, superior to others and special; he is grandiose. He acts above the law- the rules don't apply to him. He showed no remorse until it was convenient and useful. He seems to be paranoid as well. He doesn't have a stable job history either and possesses a cleaned up record of aggressive behaviour. He's skilled enough to get others to cover up for him or fix things for him and is weak in accountability. I wouldn't be surprised to find that the bad things that happen due to his behaviour are always someone else's fault and that he portrays himself as the eternal victim. He even has cultivated a meek and mild persona (yet carries a gun with hollow point bullets). Makes me go hmmmm.
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Do you know how many under 23 year olds default on credit cards? A ton.
Reason: the credit card companies target that age range because they know they are irresponsible.
They set up booths at colleges. They practically beg for the young people sign on the dotted line.
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Do you know how many under 23 year olds default on credit cards? A ton.
Reason: the credit card companies target that age range because they know they are irresponsible.
They set up booths at colleges. They practically beg for the young people sign on the dotted line.
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Again, it is the totality of behaviour that needs to be examined, IMO.
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Do you know how many under 23 year olds default on credit cards? A ton.
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They set up booths at colleges. They practically beg for the young people sign on the dotted line.
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I can understand that if you take it out of context. The totality of his behaviour suggests to me a narcissistic component. For example, I think he fancies himself as the hero of his high flying fantasies, superior to others and special; he is grandiose. He acts above the law- the rules don't apply to him. He showed no remorse until it was convenient and useful. He seems to be paranoid as well. He doesn't have a stable job history either and possesses a cleaned up record of aggressive behaviour. He's skilled enough to get others to cover up for him or fix things for him and is weak in accountability. I wouldn't be surprised to find that the bad things that happen due to his behaviour are always someone else's fault and that he portrays himself as the eternal victim. He even has cultivated a meek and mild persona (yet carries a gun with hollow point bullets). Makes me go hmmmm.
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It's amazing you can get all that from what you read on tv and bits and pieces of past incidents that to me doesn't tell how a person really is. I do think he seems somewhat paranoid based on his 911 calls but their are alot of paranoid people in the world. I think that he did have a huge interest in the justice system based on taking a LE class and majoring in criminal justice, but a lot of other people do too.
I think there are tons of folks with credit card issues, much worse than his debt issues. I think his past incidents are minor in the grand scheme of things. And I don't think owning a CCV means someone is scared or trying to act big.
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I honestly don't see GZ's credit history coming into play at trial. I really don't. I don't think bad of him for it either. It's something that happens to lots of people. iirc reading about it he did settle which is more then I beat most do.jmo
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Do you know how many under 23 year olds default on credit cards? A ton.
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How many of them are up on second degree murder charges?
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A lot more than you think. Not all of those are guilty either.
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That is completely irrelevant.
His financial history has nothing to do with this case.
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Maybe? But, according to the "friend" that reported this story, he said George had informed them all that he had gotten his AA in criminal justice? Whatever floats his boat, I guess? I personally think he was trying to get his parents approval, as it seems he and his brother were not really raised by them? The same way I feel he wanted the approval of LE? I just think he has problem? Like serious problems!
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Bringing belle3's post over from closed thread.
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Officer Anthony Raimondo was another officer that was involved in that case who was also on the scene the night of Trayvon's killing.
There was some discussion about it here;
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...=167001&page=9
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