17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #33

[LolaMoon08]

Originally Posted by ynotdivein

Remember the Sound Off forum, peeps.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=484

Sorry! I know that one was my fault! I'm too scared to go downstairs though! XOXOXOXO

[highflyer]

Originally Posted by katydid23

In the article they state that there had been several break-ins by young black males in the complex. But if anyone says that here it seems that the response has been that GZ made those stories up.

That's hardly an elephant in the room.

[LolaMoon08]

I will say this... my family has made me the person I am today. My history in this amazing Country, The United States of America, through my family, has made me who I am today. The women and men in my family, before I was even a thought, before my mother or father were even a thought, worked for people's rights in this Country. They fought hard and they believed they had won that fight, but obviously, they have not. My family stood side by side with Women's Rights, Civil Rights for different Races, and Child Labor Laws. A great, proud moment in OUR History! And here we are, again, back where it all started.

All that is needed, is HUMAN DECENCY!

MOO

[Reader]

Originally Posted by Adrienne37

So with the eyes of the world on this case, someone is actually suggesting that Angela Corey is lying and withholding information, and committing a crime? I am so sure that this happened, I mean really. I can see someone that the governor of the state appointed is really going to lie, leave things out, make things up, and just put whatever she wanted to put in an affidavit that a judge has to sign.

~jmo~

IANAL, but with a quick search this link verifies the affidavit of probable cause is to justify a warrant or arrest, it says nothing about presenting any exculpatory or defense evidence. I think that becomes an issue at the trial:

An affidavit of probable cause is a sworn statement, typically made by a police officer, that outlines the factual justification for why a judge should consent to an arrest or search warrant or why an arrest made during a crime-in-progress was based on solid evidence that the person in custody is the person who is likely to have committed the crime. "Probable cause" is the reasonable belief, based on credible facts or situations, that a crime is (or has been) committed; "probable cause" is also a good-faith belief that some material evidence to a crime (a person or object) will be found in a particular location at a particular time.

Read more: Affidavit of Probable Cause | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how-does_5445177...#ixzz1t7aerRP1

Another quote:

As part of pretrial conferencing, defense attorneys may challenge the validity of any warrant based on a lack of sufficient probable cause. This is done at a show-cause hearing, which is an optional step in the criminal trial process; during such a hearing, defense counsel will attempt to show that there was insufficient probable cause for a warrant to be issued. If the defense prevails, than any evidence obtained from that warrant is not admissible at trial.

They've had several hearings now, including GZ making a plea and being put on bond, and I notice that MOM has not made any objection to the affidavit that Ms. Corey made and the judge signed to arrest GZ and charge him. I think I trust MOM's decision about this more than someone who is not involved in defending GZ. He seems to be very competent to me and has a good reputation as far as I can tell.

[Dr.Fessel]

Originally Posted by badme102

Did we ever figure out what these things are in the grass near the crime scene? I took a screen shot from a video, and if you watch it, you can see that there are more than 1 of whatever they are on the grass/ground. Tracy is standing just a few feet away from where Trayvon's body was.
Here's the video link:
Retracing Trayvon Martin's Final Steps Before Vigilante George Zimmerman Lynched Him - YouTube

Here's one pic:

Probably sprinkler control boxes or water meters. Most now days have plastic lids.

[Dr.Fessel]

Originally Posted by mikeysmommom

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...-spray-big-boi

The 28-year-old insurance-fraud investigator comes from a deeply Catholic background and was taught in his early years to do right by those less fortunate. He was raised in a racially integrated household and himself has black roots through an Afro-Peruvian great-grandfather — the father of the maternal grandmother who helped raise him.

Zimmerman worked at a mortgage risk-management company at the time of the shooting and his wife is in nursing school. A website was set up to collect donations for Zimmerman's defense fund. It is unclear how much has been raised.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...ting-case?lite

How do we reckon the two?

[Emma Peel]

Originally Posted by Dr.Fessel

Zimmerman worked at a mortgage risk-management company at the time of the shooting and his wife is in nursing school. A website was set up to collect donations for Zimmerman's defense fund. It is unclear how much has been raised.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...ting-case?lite

How do we reckon the two?

IIRC, GZ was assigned to underwriting.

That function involves risk management ... for mortagages. Fraud falls under risk management.

IMO, he may have never gone into an office. He may have been sent boxes of files to work on at home. JMHO.

This is why Joe hesitated when they drilled him regarding if he ever saw GZ at the office.

IMO, they could have both been working at home offices - telecommuting for this big mortgage clearance paper monster of a firm.

[LolaMoon08]

Originally Posted by Dr.Fessel

Zimmerman worked at a mortgage risk-management company at the time of the shooting and his wife is in nursing school. A website was set up to collect donations for Zimmerman's defense fund. It is unclear how much has been raised.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...ting-case?lite

How do we reckon the two?

[Allusonz]

Originally Posted by Karmady

I'm pretty sure she won't comment, either, but it won't be for the reason you mention.

I as well am certain she will not comment as well but I bet she is squirming in her chair right now....or hiring a good lawyer.

[Ambrosia]

[quote=badme102;7836003]Tracy is standing just a few feet away from where Trayvon's body was.
Tracy is standing just a few feet away from where Trayvon's body was. In the video there is the black enclosed patio - the cut-through where that black porch is in the background. I hope they try and see if there are any sounds in the background of Zimmerman's 911 call that might have come from there, the sound of the door latch, the sliding of an aluminum patio chair on concrete, squeaky ceiling fan, a bucket or puddle from the rainwater drops, Zimmerman's fingerprints! etc. Also: Mr. Tracy in that video describes where the body of Travon was found and the position. With the feet to that sidewalk, as told to him by detectives. BUT This is not the position nor the location of the yellow tarp with the body of Trayvon under it that is seen in the original crime scene video on that night. That body was in the grass nearer to the open porch. There is a still shot of that posted here a day or so ago.

[Dr.Fessel]

Originally Posted by Emma Peel

IIRC, GZ was assigned to underwriting.

That function involves risk management ... for mortagages. Fraud falls under risk management.

IMO, he may have never gone into an office. He may have been sent boxes of files to work on at home. JMHO.

This is why Joe hesitated when they drilled him regarding if he ever saw GZ at the office.

IMO, they could have both been working at home offices - telecommuting for this big mortgage clearance paper monster of a firm.

So lets say you can't make your house payment and it gets foreclosed on, would he be going over the details you put on your application to see if you lied?

[Emma Peel]

Originally Posted by Dr.Fessel

So lets say you can't make your house payment and it gets foreclosed on, would he be going over the details you put on your application to see if you lied?

probably that was common - file review of mortgage application fraud. They look for the easiest way to cancel the mortgage. Foreclosure is the longer process. Fraud is quicker. JMHO.

and in rare cases -
Those who couldn't make mortgage payments and were threatened with foreclosures during the crisis may have (ahem) attempted to find ways to collect from their insurance cos b/4 the house was foreclosed upon via arson...

[Ambrosia]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/att...chmentid=21390

[Dr.Fessel]

Originally Posted by Emma Peel

probably that was common - file review of mortgage application fraud. They look for the easiest way to cancel the mortgage. Foreclosure is the longer process. Fraud is quicker. JMHO.

and in rare cases -
Those who couldn't make mortgage payments and were threatened with foreclosures during the crisis may have (ahem) attempted to find ways to collect from their insurance cos b/4 the house was foreclosed upon via arson...

Rut Roh Under the SYG law you can shoot someone you see committing arson.

[Emma Peel]

Originally Posted by Dr.Fessel

Rut Roh Under the SYG law you can shoot someone you see committing arson.

[Reader]

This link is from the main Fox link that was posted by impatientreadhead today, I believe. It verifies something that I posted way back from a link no longer approved. This is a letter that Mr. Crump sent to DOJ about the meeting at the police station the night GZ was first brought in. Dated 4/2/12.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photog...DOJ_Page_1.htm

I can't copy it but here is a short excerpt:

In particular, we learned that on the night of February 26, 2012, within hours of the shooting in which Trayvon Martin was killed, Sanford Chief of Police Bill Lee met with State Attorney Norn Wolfinger. We also believe that family members of shooter George Zimmerman were present at the police department. It was further revealed that State Attorney Norm Wolfinger and Chief Bill Lee overruled the recommendation of the lead investigator, Chris Serino, who recommended that George Michael Zimmerman be arrested for manslaughter..........Mr. Serino filed an affidavit stating that he did not find Zimmerman's statements credible in light of the circumstances and facts surrounding the shooting.

[elementary]

Originally Posted by mikeysmommom
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...-spray-big-boi

The 28-year-old insurance-fraud investigator comes from a deeply Catholic background and was taught in his early years to do right by those less fortunate. He was raised in a racially integrated household and himself has black roots through an Afro-Peruvian great-grandfather — the father of the maternal grandmother who helped raise him.

Actually, how do we reconcile the three?

"In 2004, Zimmerman partnered with an African-American friend and opened up an Allstate insurance satellite office, Donnelly said.Then came 2005, and a series of troubles. Zimmerman's business failed, he was arrested, and he broke off an engagement with a woman who filed a restraining order against him.
<snip>
In 2007 he married Shellie Dean, a licensed cosmetologist, and in 2009 the couple rented a townhouse in the Retreat at Twin Lakes. Zimmerman had bounced from job to job for a couple of years, working at a car dealership and a mortgage company. At times, according to testimony from Shellie at a bond hearing for Zimmerman last week, the couple filed for unemployment benefits.
Zimmerman enrolled in Seminole State College in 2009, and in December 2011 he was permitted to participate in a school graduation ceremony, despite being a course credit shy of his associate's degree in criminal justice. Zimmerman was completing that course credit when the shooting occurred.."

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...on-martin?lite


So was he going to school full time or working or both? Nowhere does it mention that in the recent past he had a job or what that job was. Maybe I missed it somewhere.

[katydid23]

It is interesting that he was allowed to walk in the graduation ceremony in December though. So that is why he had the party, since he accepted the diploma on stage. Didn't many people here criticize him for having that party, calling him deceitful, dishonest, and narcisstic? I don't see anything wrong with it if the school is allowing him to walk during the graduation ceremony.

[Allusonz]

Originally Posted by Dr.Fessel

IMO if they are taking notes about what he is saying they are drawing in that little laughing guy rolling around right after them.

Taking notes? I would hope so.

Making fun of it? I would hope they are smarter than that.

[Dr.Fessel]

Originally Posted by Emma Peel

See what ya started!

Pillow Fight Breaks Out On Airliner (HQ) - YouTube

Pillow Fight Breaks Out On Airliner (HQ) - YouTube

[Allusonz]

Originally Posted by katydid23

It is interesting that he was allowed to walk in the graduation ceremony in December though. So that is why he had the party, since he accepted the diploma on stage. Didn't many people here criticize him for having that party, calling him deceitful, dishonest, and narcisstic? I don't see anything wrong with it if the school is allowing him to walk during the graduation ceremony.

This is not uncommon.

They can walk up but don't actually receive a diploma/degree et al.

That would be mailed after they had completed the program requirements.

I as well see nothing wrong with it.

[LolaMoon08]

Originally Posted by katydid23

It is interesting that he was allowed to walk in the graduation ceremony in December though. So that is why he had the party, since he accepted the diploma on stage. Didn't many people here criticize him for having that party, calling him deceitful, dishonest, and narcisstic? I don't see anything wrong with it if the school is allowing him to walk during the graduation ceremony.

I am one of those people! I have also said that it makes me feel better KNOWING that he did actually walk across a stage for graduation... even though he didn't graduate, but it does make it a little less "event coordinator" ISH.

However... If my niece was walking and not getting an actual diploma.. she wouldn't get what she was getting for graduating! Actually, she wouldn't get anything!

MOO

[Dr.Fessel]

Originally Posted by katydid23

It is interesting that he was allowed to walk in the graduation ceremony in December though. So that is why he had the party, since he accepted the diploma on stage. Didn't many people here criticize him for having that party, calling him deceitful, dishonest, and narcisstic? I don't see anything wrong with it if the school is allowing him to walk during the graduation ceremony.

Who was the source of that little tidbit, Francis Taaffe?

[christee]

Originally Posted by Dr.Fessel

See what ya started!

Pillow Fight Breaks Out On Airliner (HQ) - YouTube

Did I hear the faint sound of feathers flying?
Carry on

[LolaMoon08]

Graduating, like actually graduating, is a big deal! It is one of the proudest moments in life -- I remember mine like it was yesterday. I actually walked up on stage and received an actual diploma. There was no "*" by my name or a blank piece of paper being handed to me! It was a diploma! There will be no "*" by my nieces name either!

MOO