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Old 04-26-2012, 03:36 PM
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ME TOO.
My youngest sister was also a victim of a "trusted" uncle, and I was the one who reported the incest to my mother and the perp's oldest daughter. No one would believe me! My sister has had lifelong psychiatric problems, suicide attempts, etc. that I believe stem from this abuse by an uncle.
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I understand that the uncle made a lot of people's hinky meters go up but my goodness. Just because someone looks a certain way does not make them a criminal. And just because someone may post certain things on Facebook does not mean they would ever molest a child. I have seen MANY comments of this nature about Isabel's uncle and it just really bugs me.

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Old 04-26-2012, 03:42 PM
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Hi, my first time posting, but have been reading like crazy for a few days.
This is about the non-operative car. Could someone have been sleeping in that car? The police did remove pillows, some carpet and I don't know what else from that car. Maybe the two men the neighbor heard had something to do with a person sleeping in that car. Did something take place in the car where someone was sleeping near, very near, the house?


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Old 04-26-2012, 03:42 PM
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I hate that LE can't seem to rule the parents out...it makes me think they are not any closer than the day she was discovered to be missing...
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Old 04-26-2012, 03:46 PM
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Standing in the back of the house, I am thinking the two windows on the left side of the house just maybe the Master Bedroom with a bathroom. This would be the structure being the gargage.

On the right side of the house, with the window with the ladder underneath, is a bedroom and a bath.

On the side of the house facing the neighbor, there are two small windows and one standard window. I feel this is another bedroom with a bath.

The first small window on the end, would be the bath to the bedroom that has the ladder underneath.

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I understand that the uncle make a lot of people's hinky meters go up but my goodness. Just because someone looks a certain way does not make them a criminal. And just because someone may post certain things on Facebook does not mean they would ever molest a child. I have seen MANY comments of this nature about Isabel's uncle and it just really bugs me.
I think it is because he so closely fits the profile of this case. This little girl was probably taken by someone very close to the family, considering the way she disappeared. And his was the first face and voice we heard. So some of us are going to be suspicious of him, given his odd choice of words and weird FB topics. I have not ruled him out yet.
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Old 04-26-2012, 03:49 PM
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I hate that LE can't seem to rule the parents out...it makes me think they are not any closer than the day she was discovered to be missing...
I personally think that they are just not going to rule out anyone until they arrest someone.
I don't think that it means they believe the parents had anything to do with it. They may know they did not.

We've seen it done in other cases, even when it was clear the parents were ruled out.
They were not "officially" ruled out until someone else was "officially" ruled in. That's just how some LE work.
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Old 04-26-2012, 03:50 PM
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Since no one saw Isa leaving ... they can't know for SURE what she had on. We have this problem with other cases.
The question "What was she last seen wearing?" DOES have an answer, and the parents who put her to bed know what she had on at that time. ONLY if that outfit is still at the house would I entertain the possibilty she was NOT wearing that.
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Old 04-26-2012, 03:50 PM
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I understand that the uncle make a lot of people's hinky meters go up but my goodness. Just because someone looks a certain way does not make them a criminal. And just because someone may post certain things on Facebook does not mean they would ever molest a child. I have seen MANY comments of this nature about Isabel's uncle and it just really bugs me.
I agree. He's a single young man. That he likes bikini season or half naked women would not be something that would point to him being a pedophile in my book.

However, I do note that he appeared to move to AZ a year ago and posted he loved being loved and being an uncle, once he got to AZ. Nothing sinister there at all, but any change in the family dynamic should be looked at by LE.
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Old 04-26-2012, 03:52 PM
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I personally think that they are just not going to rule out anyone until they arrest someone.
I don't think that it means they believe the parents had anything to do with it. They may know they did not.

We've seen it done in other cases, even when it was clear the parents were ruled out.
They were not "officially" ruled out until someone else was "officially" ruled in. That's just how some LE work.
I understand that...yet they keep saying they are included as POI's...as opposed to Sierra's case, for instance, where LE pretty much said very early on that the family was cleared. It bothers me that LE keeps reinforcing this, and JMO anyway.
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Old 04-26-2012, 03:55 PM
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I can't shake the feeling of the uncle. Hope I can say this. Molestation by an uncle is quite common, more than you would think. It happened to me and my mother and many other girls that I have talked to over the years. (snip)
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Happened to my Mom as well. She and my Dad were both only children, so I never had aunts, uncles or cousins, which has always made me sad. Now I guess I should be relieved.
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Old 04-26-2012, 03:55 PM
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The person who took her also knows what she had on at the time.
That could be one of those things used to weed out false confessions or false tips.

They aren't likely to leave her in the same clothes she was wearing anyway.
But say they interview someone who claims he abducted her... they ask him what she was wearing and he says "a pink princess nightgown..."
If she doesn't even own one... or they know that's not what she was wearing, then they know he's just guessing.

Same reason they don't release cause of death in homicide cases... or whether the victim was clothed, restrained, etc.
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The question "What was she last seen wearing?" DOES have an answer, and the parents who put her to bed know what she had on at that time. ONLY if that outfit is still at the house would I entertain the possibilty she was NOT wearing that.
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Old 04-26-2012, 03:58 PM
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RAW VIDEO: Isabel Celis' father appears in city court
This for the "Dog" charges-

http://www.kvoa.com/news/raw-video-i...in-city-court/
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In most cases, they DO say what the victim was last wearing and are pretty specific, if they know...in case someone finds an item of clothing in an unusual place...JMO
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I understand that...yet they keep saying they are included as POI's...as opposed to Sierra's case, for instance, where LE pretty much said very early on that the family was cleared. It bothers me that LE keeps reinforcing this, and JMO anyway.
But how do you "prove" you were just sleeping. KWIM?

Some cases, fellow employees/time clock can be proof. Cell phone pings can place a person away from the "scene". Sleeping ... how do you "prove" that?

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Old 04-26-2012, 04:02 PM
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In most cases, they DO say what the victim was last wearing and are pretty specific, if they know...in case someone finds an item of clothing in an unusual place...JMO
Have there been any public searches. I know LE has conducted searches but has Klass been there or any of the people searching? tia
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Old 04-26-2012, 04:03 PM
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In most cases, they DO say what the victim was last wearing and are pretty specific, if they know...in case someone finds an item of clothing in an unusual place...JMO
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/14564/0/

Isabel was last seen at home at approximately 11:30 p.m. on April 20, 2012. She is missing one top and one bottom tooth. Isabel was last seen wearing a blue tank top and navy blue basketball shorts.

http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...archLang=en_US

Same here.
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However, the VP of the center stated she was there VERY early that morning. I would of thought he would have said she reported for her normal shift or something like that.
I wish they would be more specific than, 'very early'.
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Have there been any public searches. I know LE has conducted searches but has Klass been there or any of the people searching? tia
Not that I've read about. Just LEOs.
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I don't want to think this, but the way LE is behaving I am starting to think that they think this was an inside job...JMO and just an impression I can't quite explain.
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RAW VIDEO: Isabel Celis' father appears in city court
This for the "Dog" charges-

http://www.kvoa.com/news/raw-video-i...in-city-court/
Hmmm he plead 'not guilty' which goes right back to the point I made this morning.

I think someone else let those dogs out either in the middle of the night or while the family wasn't home.

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That wording IS peculiar and keeps bothering me, too.


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She could have come in earlier for someone that needed to leave earlier and she might have come in earlier, to get off earlier with a co-worker covering for her.
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Not that I've read about. Just LEOs.
Isn't it rather odd that there have not been any organized searching? Is it too early?
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I would hope anyone who finds ANY young kids clothes in an unusual place would call it in anyway... with a missing child.
What if they change her clothes more than once, then leave the change of clothes behind as well?
Even kids who have been found within a day or two, were generally in different clothes, sometimes with a haircut as well.

HLN talked about this at the top of the hour.
They showed a clip of the neighbor and said something about an interview with the neighbor tonight.

I didn't hear if it was replaying the entire interview with the neighbor or a new interview with the neighbor.


If it is a new interview, I didn't hear who would be doing the interview... but I could take a guess.
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