AZ AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #5

[KaylynnCouture]

Originally Posted by Patty G

Sure would love to find out if their pick-up day is Saturday or not so we can at least narrow a possible reason for noise and dogs barking at 6:30 AM

Residential trash is not picked up on Saturdays according to: http://cms3.tucsonaz.gov/sites/defau...kupmap03_1.pdf

Commercial trash, however, is I'm almost positive (going to double check now).

[BetteDavisEyes]

Originally Posted by liz b.

What "performances " are you writing about ? Isn't Isa's dad a dental hygenist ? TIA

There was an earlier reference to Mr. Celis singing with a local opera company.

[PAXIMUS]

Originally Posted by keeponsearching

What are the alley ways for.? Its not something I see in Maine. To me it looks like space that could be taken up.

The alley ways are mostly for utility companies to have access to phone lines, power lines etc, also in many cases the garbage cans are back there and that is where the garbage is picked up, the city of Tucson picks the garbage up in the city limits, usually in the alley but not always some people have front of house pick up but mine is in the alley and WASTE MANAGEMENT picks up my recyclables in the front of the house.

[KaylynnCouture]

Isabel's mom posted a prayer on her Facebook about an hour ago, and begged people to not give up searching for Isa.

This case is heartbreaking.

[Emeralgem]

Originally Posted by txanmom

LOL!! mine too! you don't by chance have boston terriers do you? mine do that exact same thing. The only way I know the difference is they get raised hair along their spine if it is a threat.

I have a 74 lb Golden Retriever.. Her bark I suspect is far worse than her bite but she does let me know IF someone is around.. Someone told me once her bark would be convincing IF she weren't smiling while she was barking.
.Right now I also have my two granddogs staying with me while my daughter and her husband are in Hawaii for a friend's wedding. One is a Boston Terrier, who doesn't do much of anything but try to lick you to death and will go anywhere with anyone. Fed X showed up one day to deliver a package and she jumped in the truck and was ready to go with him... The other, a papillion -long haired Chihuahua mix does not like strangers and will bite anyone IF he chooses to do so .....Out of the three the papaillion-chihuahua is the most ferocious and he is the smallest.. When one barks though they all start barking... I do know when someone is around..JMHO

[KaylynnCouture]

According to the Find Isabel Celis FB page, there will be another billboard put up on I-10 and Orange Grove Road (in Tucson) in the next few days. There is already one in Phoenix. I hope this helps generate some new leads.

[purplesage]

Originally Posted by BetteDavisEyes

I grew up in Detroit where there were alleys separating fenced-in backyards on adjacent streets. Trash receptacles were kept outside of the fences, and garbage trucks used the alleys instead of city streets for collection. In the 'burbs, you don't see alleys and very rare to see fenced-in backyards in most subdivisions. Trash/recycling/compost are placed at the foot of driveways on the day of collection.

there are lots of "alley" neighborhoods where i live, many people prefer them becaue it means there is no neighbor directly behind you...kids use these places to play without traffic. in our real estate listings you will always see 'alley access' mentioned...some people really like it, gives you back door access to your yard.

[AnaTeresa]

Originally Posted by not_my_kids

Witness accounts are often unreliable under the best of circumstances, when the crime is committed in broad daylight, the witness has time to study the suspect, and they are wide awake and focused.

I'm not sure that I can put too much stock in the statement of a witness that was awakened very shortly before hearing "dogs and voices" and never laid eyes on anyone that might have been causing those sounds.

I'm not saying that she's lying, she would have no reason to, I'm just saying that while a witness can be the best thing for a case, a witness can also be the worst thing for a case.

Exactly. There was an eyewitness in Keegan Schuchart's case in broad daylight who had the race of the defendant wrong.

[liz b.]

Originally Posted by calamityjane831

He is also an opera singer.

As an opera buff I find that to be very endearing...MOO

[BetteDavisEyes]

Originally Posted by AnaTeresa

Exactly. There was an eyewitness in Keegan Schuchart's case in broad daylight who had the race of the defendant wrong.

I'm always a bit skeptical when "witnesses" contact the media to tell them about something they saw or heard in a high-profile case and then end up on the evening news.

[BetteDavisEyes]

Originally Posted by liz b.

As an opera buff I find that to be very endearing...MOO

DH and I have season tickets to Michigan Opera Theatre and have been acquainted with members of the chorus. We look forward to "I Pagliacci" next month and have already renewed our season for next fall/spring.

[Patty G]

I'm thinking that the media is going door to door asking people if they heard anything and they just happened to catch the Celis' neighbor and asked her is she heard anything. Perhaps the media saw he walking her dogs.

We all know how "zealous" the media is to capture a story.

[Leomoon80]

How on earth did someone get up the stuccoed house, 6 foot high window without standing on something, if they aren't "Spider Man?"

Did anyone notice the tiny two windows on the side of the house? Are they the bedroom windows for Isabel's room?

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Originally Posted by Anita Richman

The waste management trucks go through my neighborhood about 6:30 a.m. It gets so hot here during the day, that they are beginning earlier and earlier to beat the heat. I'm guessing that the mens voices she heard were the voices of the garbage men.

But do Waste Management men come on Saturday? Not in our area.
They only come during the week. FWIW

[FrayedKnot]

I am loathe to admit this, but I have reclaimed my rather uncomfortable seat on the fence after playing and replaying the parents' PC yesterday.

I had a very strong 'gut' feeling that Isa's parents were in no way involved but I just got a strange vibe watching that video over and over. I still can't say what it is, but I seriously shook my belief in their non-involvement.

I hope I am so, so wrong. And anyway, it's just MOO.


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[Patty G]

Originally Posted by Leomoon80

How on earth did someone get up the stuccoed house, 6 foot high window without standing on something, if they aren't "Spider Man?"

Did anyone notice the tiny two windows on the side of the house? Are they the bedroom windows for Isabel's room?

The two windows that are up high are the windows in the gargage.

The tiny window behind the wall, behind the gargage, could be a small bathroom window. The same on the back of the house of that structure has a tiny window and two larger windows, of which, could be a bedroom with a bathroom.

[insatiable]

Do we know moms maiden name?

[Leomoon80]

Originally Posted by Leomoon80

How on earth did someone get up the stuccoed house, 6 foot high window without standing on something, if they aren't "Spider Man?"

Did anyone notice the tiny two windows on the side of the house? Are they the bedroom windows for Isabel's room?

My first thought when I originally heard the story was the mom's working at the Pediatric ward (is what I heard originally)
What if a person wanted a child, couldn't have one, and saw her photo of her in mom's posession?

Isabel is a gorgeous child.

I think it's a far fetched proposal however, and I fear the worse case scenario for Isabel, not that she was a desired child to raise.
Seldom is that the case, anymore then it may be for Kyron Horman, for when the children are older as in both of these cases, it's not as logical to presume they'd forget their original family and not put up a fuss to get back home.

It was just my original thought when I heard she worked with pediatrics.

[mck16]

Originally Posted by not_my_kids

Witness accounts are often unreliable under the best of circumstances, when the crime is committed in broad daylight, the witness has time to study the suspect, and they are wide awake and focused.

I'm not sure that I can put too much stock in the statement of a witness that was awakened very shortly before hearing "dogs and voices" and never laid eyes on anyone that might have been causing those sounds.

I'm not saying that she's lying, she would have no reason to, I'm just saying that while a witness can be the best thing for a case, a witness can also be the worst thing for a case.

I cannot imagine rolling over and going back to sleep after hearing voices and dogs barking crazily at 6:30 a.m. in a residential neighborhood. Why did she think anyone was in the backyard at that time? I would certainly look out the window before going back to sleep. jmo

[txanmom]

Originally Posted by FrayedKnot

I am loathe to admit this, but I have reclaimed my rather uncomfortable seat on the fence after playing and replaying the parents' PC yesterday.

I had a very strong 'gut' feeling that Isa's parents were in no way involved but I just got a strange vibe watching that video over and over. I still can't say what it is, but I seriously shook my belief in their non-involvement.

I hope I am so, so wrong. And anyway, it's just MOO.


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i am with you. i had a very strong gut response immediately to the pc. the only way this whole thing makes sense to me, is if there is a room in that house that nobody ever goes into (guest room, attic, closet, etc...) and perp was already in the house waiting until he knew for sure everyone was quiet and asleep....

just moo, i do feel bad for it being my opinion however. very bad...

[liz b.]

In the video, both parents were wearing very large crucifixes ? TIA

[WillenFan21]

Nancy Grace
Key eyewitness comes forward: says she heard male voices, dogs barking night 6-year-old Isabel vanished from bed. The witness & family’s neighbor, only feet away from the girl’s bedroom window, says she thinks the girl left with ‘someone she knew.’ She even says the girl seemed ‘comfortable’ enough to go with them. Did neighbor witness girl’s abduction? This as the parents finally speak out – what took them so long? What do you think happened? Taking your on-air questions right now: 877-626-2901

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...1053286&type=1

[mck16]

Originally Posted by Leomoon80

My first thought when I originally heard the story was the mom's working at the Pediatric ward (is what I heard originally)
What if a person wanted a child, couldn't have one, and saw her photo of her in mom's posession?

Isabel is a gorgeous child.

I think it's a far fetched proposal however, and I fear the worse case scenario for Isabel, not that she was a desired child to raise.
Seldom is that the case, anymore then it may be for Kyron Horman, for when the children are older as in both of these cases, it's not as logical to presume they'd forget their original family and not put up a fuss to get back home.

It was just my original thought when I heard she worked with pediatrics.

That is not farfetched and is similiar to what happened in Houston a few weeks back. A woman shot a mother and stole her 3 day old baby. It was in front of a pedi clinic where she was a nurse and had seen the baby. Nothing is too crazy it seems anymore. jmo

[mck16]

Originally Posted by WillenFan21

Nancy Grace
Key eyewitness comes forward: says she heard male voices, dogs barking night 6-year-old Isabel vanished from bed. The witness & family’s neighbor, only feet away from the girl’s bedroom window, says she thinks the girl left with ‘someone she knew.’ She even says the girl seemed ‘comfortable’ enough to go with them. Did neighbor witness girl’s abduction? This as the parents finally speak out – what took them so long? What do you think happened? Taking your on-air questions right now: 877-626-2901

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...1053286&type=1

NG must have seen a different video interview than I did. Lots of ad libbing there seems to me. jmo

[Patty G]

No one has stated that the neighbor who heard male voices and dogs barking is even a witness, never mind, a "key witness".

Bouncing off NG Facebook page.