AZ AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #7

[KaylynnCouture]

Mexico Authorities Also Searching for Isabel

The search for a 6-year-old Arizona girl who disappeared from her family's home has extended to Mexico, authorities said Friday.

U.S. Marshals have been in touch with Mexican law-enforcement officials who are checking hotels, bus terminals and other businesses as they help look for Isabel Mercedes Celis, according to Tucson police. A photo of the first-grader is being circulated in Mexico as well.

Police began looking at the possibility that Isabel could have been taken there because of Tucson's close proximity to the border, Lt. Fabian Pacheco said.

Snipped: http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news...#ixzz1tMocNtsY

[Prof]

Originally Posted by LisaB

The location of his business originally appeared to give an "obstructed view" of the FRONT of the Celis' home. The assumption was based on thinking his business was the end of the group nearest the road, when it is actually several doors down from the corner. Therefore, the 2-story building in between the two is WAY off to the right of the camera;s field of view. He DOES have a clear shot of the Celis' front door and driveway.

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http://www.kvoa.com/news/is-surveill...prettyPhoto/0/


hmmn, maybe, but I did not hear Moore ever say he had an unobstructed view or a direct shot of the house.

I have also not seen a clear shot of the Celis Front door much less driveway on the far west of the house, or any shot that includes the Celis house at all from Moore. Can anyone show me this surveilance video of the front of the Celis house? It's not in the KVOA video.

Instead, I see the surveilance video with two views from cameras on the back of Moore. Here are the two views provided in the KOVA story; they only show the house right behind Moore, which is NOT the Celis home.



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[DollyPardonMe]

Originally Posted by BetteDavisEyes

My thoughts weren't necessarily regarding illegal narcotics. Becky Celis is a nurse who likely has access to prescription narcotics at TMC. Having been involved in dance and theatre, I know that there is a lot of alcohol and drug use, illicit sexual activity, etc. associated with performing artists. It's possible that Sergio Celis comes in contact with unsavory characters through the local opera company. I'm not suggesting that the parents are involved in Isabel's disappearance; I'm simply pointing out a possibility based on personal experience.

Has anyone verified that Sergio indeed sings with a local opera company? I have a friend in Tucson that sings Opera with the Tucson Symphony and smaller performances. I emailed her and first of all, she has never heard of him, and secondly had no idea that he was the father of the little missing girl. Her husband has been in the music/symphony/opera community in Tucson for as long as I've known them (36 years) and you would think they would have at least heard of him.

[Stash777]

Originally Posted by gitana1

It came to mind last night, when some people were having trouble seeing the figure, that some people's monitors may be adjusted too bright.

But, again, there have been links indicating that LE wants to talk to the 5 people and has talked to everyone else who may be in the video. Does that indicate the luring figure is a red herring?

I'm not sure what to think about this figure, since LE has been very tight lipped with information regarding this case. They very well may have identified and spoken with this figure, perhaps he is an employee of Office Max or part of a cleaning crew that comes in late night/early morning hours? MOO Nonetheless, I do think it's an interesting find.

[KaylynnCouture]

Originally Posted by DollyPardonMe

Has anyone verified that Sergio indeed sings with a local opera company? I have a friend in Tucson that sings Opera with the Tucson Symphony and smaller performances. I emailed her and first of all, she has never heard of him, and secondly had no idea that he was the father of the little missing girl. Her husband has been in the music/symphony/opera community in Tucson for as long as I've known them (36 years) and you would think they would have at least heard of him.

He is an opera singer, however, I don't know if he's active. According to this site, his last performance was in 2002.

http://www.azopera.com/performances....io_david_celis

[PAXIMUS]

Originally Posted by KaylynnCouture

Mexico Authorities Also Searching for Isabel



Snipped: http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news...#ixzz1tMocNtsY

They arent saying everything, no way they look in to Mexico just because Tucson is close, thats like looking for a needle in a haystack, if they are indeed looking at Mexico then they have reason to believe there is a legitimate connection and that being the case this opens up a whole new can of worms and it is not good news for the parents, it could very well indicate some sort of involvement with some very shady people.

[KaylynnCouture]

Speaking of Sergio being in the opera, maybe he is still active because I just found this..

Members of the Arizona Opera chorus will perform a benefit concert for the family of Isabel Celis on Sunday, April 29th at 7:30 pm. at Chaparral Christian Church, 6451 E. Shea Boulevard, Scottsdale AZ 85254.

Isabel's father, Sergio Celis, is a longtime Arizona Opera chorister, and his Arizona Opera chorus family want to raise funds for the support of Sergio and his family as they continue the search for their daughter. The concert will include choral and operatic selections by Bach, Copland, Mozart, Puccini, Verdi, and more. The concert is free to the public, and all donations will go to the Tucson Medical Center Foundation, Isabel Mercedes Celis Fund. Wear purple to show support for the Celis family and finding Isabel.

Snipped: http://www.examiner.com/article/voic...unday-april-29

[SmoothOperator]

Originally Posted by Boodles

I can't stop thinking about Bethany Marshall talking about what an FBI Behavior Analyst's involvement would be for. She said it's to determine the dynamics of the home: is the child valued, are there toys (including those for future use at an older age) for the girl, is she deemed valuable to the family, etc.? I can't stop thinking about the reference to Isabel sharing a room with 2 brothers. That's NOT normal to me, especially if she's put in the boys' room to make room for another person to stay in the home. Putting her in with 2 boys (14 and 10) doesn't seem as though she's being treated as "valued."

And yes, the father is involved in the boys' games, to the point of coaching the team(s?). But does he value the daughter? Does he value the wife? Are women deemed valuable to the father? He's 52, the wife is 35. That's interesting to me, also. Is the wife subservient? Is that their dynamic?

The father seemed forcibly false IMO when he was speaking. His words were bizarre and awkward, and his tone/pitch started getting higher as though desperate. But it rang completely false - the rise in pitch seemed like acting. And the mother seemed truly afraid. And I can understand her having fear: 1) her daughter is missing, and 2) she's speaking into microphones in front of the media (frankly, if my daughter was missing, I think my fear of public speaking might fall to the wayside, but who knows?). She is clearly reading. Is it what the FATHER prepared and told (forced?) her to say? Is she fearful she might say it wrong and suffer repercussions?

Those are my gut reactions. I fear Isabel was sold as payoff or in trade of drugs (cocaine) for the father's use/habit. I have no facts to back this up, just gut. I don't know any statistics, but I suspect that children who are sold into sex trafficking are long gone into underground networks and never seen again. And I think LE, including the FBI, has a strong suspicion of this.

I fear that Isabel is alive and living under the worst possible circumstances. I am not religious but I pray for this child, her mother and siblings. I surely hope I am wrong.

Originally Posted by cluciano63

Where are people coming up with Dad's age? I have seen it range from 38-52 here...just wondering...

Above portion of boodles post BBM for specificity .. I too strongly question the age of dad being that of 52 years of age.. could someone possibly clarify whatis dad, Sergio's factual age? ... TiA.

Because I have both seen on video as well as read In articles(tho I tend to stick with the visual as more accurate confirmation) close family friends state that they have been together since they were teens and that Becky and Sergio are actually high school sweethearts....and IMO those details do NOT jive with Sergio being 52 years old ...jmo, tho!

[DollyPardonMe]

Originally Posted by Pensfan

When I heard the Celis' home was near bars, the first thing I thought was public urination. If the bars near their home don't have parking lots (inner city issues), the patrons park in other store lots and they urinate everywhere on the way back to their cars. Patrons also "bar crawl" to and from other bars in the area and urinate along their paths. Maybe the mystery person is just urinating?

My church sits in a small area with bars/restaurants (like the Celis' home). One must avoid numerous urine spots after Friday and Saturday nights and Steeler's or Penguin's games.

I don't know if this has been brought up either. The Celis home is off Broadway and Craycroft. Craycroft ends less than a miles south at Golf Links Rd at the entrance to Davis Monthan AFB. No matter how early in the morning in that area there was always traffic due to the base entrance being there. Just an observation.

[PAXIMUS]

Holy resized images, Batman!

[Prof]

too big?

[GutFeeling!]

Originally Posted by SmoothOperator

Above portion of boodles post BBM for specificity .. I too strongly question the age of dad being that of 52 years of age.. could someone possibly clarify whatis dad, Sergio's factual age? ... TiA.

Because I have both seen on video as well as read In articles(tho I tend to stick with the visual as more accurate confirmation) close family friends state that they have been together since they were teens and that Becky and Sergio are actually high school sweethearts....and IMO those details do NOT jive with Sergio being 52 years old ...jmo, tho!

Da was born in 1970, making him 42 this year, December from memory. Another poster has seen his birth cerificate.

[Prof]

I am hoping a reporter will ask about the shadowy figure at the 2 PM presser.
Hopefully phrasing the question to get some kind of indication that the TPD has had contact with our ghost.

Links for presser

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/categor...-13-live-video
http://www.kvoa.com/livestream/

[gliving]

TPD to hold news conference on Isabel Celis case

http://www.kvoa.com/news/tpd-to-hold...el-celis-case/

1/2 hour heads up.

http://www.kvoa.com/livestream/

[Thinkzerz]

Has there been a presser yet today? (edited)I see people just posted the link thanks.

[Prof]

We are on the same cycle , Gliving :P

[Prof]

LOL GMTA Gliving and Thinkerz

[SmoothOperator]

Question. If Moore has no view of the Celis home how exactly would he have seen 2 males emerge from the home just after 8am?..obviously hecouldnt.. moo that alone is proof Moore has a camera view that allows him to have seen 2 men emerge from the home..

[alwayslooking]

Originally Posted by TxLady2

I didn't see any guy identified as the uncle in your link, except one non-LE guy who very briefly spoke a few words... is that the guy you mean? He doesn't look AT ALL hispanic to me. We must not be seeing the same video.
I watched a short clip several days ago of a hispanic guy who seemed to be speaking for the family, and I didn't get the impression he was LE, no uniform, but he may have been. Not the dad, I saw that interview too. The guy I saw seemed to be a little emotional, too, so I assumed he was family or close friend. I guess I'm just confused.
I know that some second generation hispanics speak very good English, but a lot of it depends on what language was spoken at home. If they speak primarily Spanish at home, then the kids will have a harder time learning English in school. These parents do not seem to be second-generation to me, their accents were strong, IMO.
All I was saying earlier is, in my experience, when people are bilingual, but the primary language is Spanish, they are mentally translating into English what they are thinking in Spanish, while trying to speak in one or the other at the same time. So it may be a little difficult to use the correct tense of a word. I'm told that English is one of the most difficult languages to learn and most Americans don't even speak it correctly.
But what do I know?

He speaks and looks a lot like my oldest son, second generation! I clearly hear a hispanic man when he speaks! My oldest child looks white until he starts speaking spanish, each child after my first got darker! There are many blue eyed mexican's!

[Prof]

Originally Posted by SmoothOperator

Question. If Moore has no view of the Celis home how exactly would he have seen 2 males emerge from the home just after 8am?..obviously hecouldnt.. moo that alone is proof Moore has a camera view that allows him to have seen 2 men emerge from the home..

Do we have a direct quote of Moore saying that he witnessed two males emerge from the home after 8 am? I would like to look at that. Since I have not seen it, I cannot be sure why or if it was said.

Nobodynoz posted the best visual on this issue IMO
In this post on our current thread.

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[Lava]

Originally Posted by alwayslooking

He speaks and looks a lot like my oldest son, second generation! I clearly hear a hispanic man when he speaks! My oldest child looks white until he starts speaking spanish, each child after my first got darker! There are many blued mexican's!

I do not believe the uncle is Hispanic. Light skinned with non hispanic name IRC.

[liz b.]

Originally Posted by SmoothOperator

Question. If Moore has no view of the Celis home how exactly would he have seen 2 males emerge from the home just after 8am?..obviously hecouldnt.. moo that alone is proof Moore has a camera view that allows him to have seen 2 men emerge from the home..

That video of the two males : I wonder if they appeared frantic, or distraught when they emerged from the house ? Did they seem in a hurry ? I wonder if they knew they were actually on video ? JMO

[Taminator]

Dear Lord I hope there is some news today. Poor little Isa. Pobrecita

[SilkySifaka]

Originally Posted by gliving

This is an updated article. It almost seems LE is looking for someone specific without sounding specific.

"Additionally, Tucson Police are seeking video or photos from parents and visitors at Freedom Park last Friday April 20th. Police say there are no video cameras in place at parks so parents who may have snapped or recorded anything should come forward, even if they don't think they captured anything important."

http://www.kvoa.com/news/celis-inves...nd-week-66214/


"Several parents tell 9OYS they remember seeing Isabel running around, playing, having a good time. One parent recalls Isabel eating some potato chips, choking momentarily on a chip, before a little league mom gave her some water and patted her on the back. The fun continued around the dugout that night. Hours later though, she'd be missing.

"Everyone is doing all we can to bring her back," Vega said.

At Friday night's game, players and parents were still on edge.

"Boys in the neighborhood are saying I sleep with my baseball bat coach," family friend and little league coach George Hannah said. "If someone was out here watching Isabel, I wonder do they know who my daughters are, do they know where I live, are other children being targeted as well? It frightens me."

More at link: http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149341755.html


The kids are so scared they are sleeping with their bats!

lol i read it as boys are sleeping with their baseball bat coach, not their baseball bat, coach. Had this horrific image of a bat coach sleeping with the kids on the team.

[callyn]

Originally Posted by gitana1

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...-arizona-home/

I must be missing something because I do not hear the uncle saying anything in the past tense about Isabel in this video. I have seen quotes attributed to him that are in the past tense, but not on this video. Is there a video where he actually says "she was' this or that. A video showing where the 'past tense' quotes came from?