Websleuths
Go Back   Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community > Current Events > Crimes in the News

Notices

Crimes in the News Read and comment about current crimes committed. Remember the copyright laws when posting news stories!


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #26  
Old 05-01-2012, 01:45 AM
mikeysmommom's Avatar
mikeysmommom mikeysmommom is offline
"A grandchild fills a space in your heart that you never knew was empty...."
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: The Garden State
Posts: 4,494
How is this not a murder? I find it very weird they first said murder now is it because they want to keep it murder free they are backtracking? JMO but very weird.
__________________
I Love You MOM 6/16/32 - 5/30/09





Justice for Travis 5/8/13

Justice For Emma
Stacey Barker - Guilty - Murder 1 - 5/24/11
25 to Life - Sentenced 6/17/11

Justice Denied for Caylee Marie Anthony
July 5,2011
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to mikeysmommom For This Useful Post:
  #27  
Old 05-01-2012, 01:55 AM
katydid23's Avatar
katydid23 katydid23 is offline
Verified Juanette
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 24,850
Quote:
Originally Posted by colette View Post
Maybe drugs are involved. Maybe the family knew of a long time addiction or something like that. A possible OD and whomever was with her panicked and left in her car.
That is what is making the most sense to me so far. Maybe she had a history of cocaine use or something. It is the only way to make sense of the family not seeming to be shocked, but to seem sad but accepting. JMO
__________________
“Every day that they don’t find something is good for me.“ Billie Dunn
Reply With Quote
The Following 11 Users Say Thank You to katydid23 For This Useful Post:
  #28  
Old 05-01-2012, 02:05 AM
BaileyandBella's Avatar
BaileyandBella BaileyandBella is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 312
That does make sense....but why the yellow tape and calling it a murder??
__________________
~*~ Justice for Caylee ~*~
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to BaileyandBella For This Useful Post:
  #29  
Old 05-01-2012, 02:08 AM
katydid23's Avatar
katydid23 katydid23 is offline
Verified Juanette
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 24,850
Quote:
Originally Posted by BaileyandBella View Post
That does make sense....but why the yellow tape and calling it a murder??
Malibu doesn't have many dead body calls. Lost Hills Sheriff station is very small. They do not investigate many murders around here. And that was a pretty nice mansion she was found in.
__________________
“Every day that they don’t find something is good for me.“ Billie Dunn
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to katydid23 For This Useful Post:
  #30  
Old 05-01-2012, 02:16 AM
BaileyandBella's Avatar
BaileyandBella BaileyandBella is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 312
Her brothers comments from here. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...s-malibu-home/

“I put my hand to her wrist and it was really cold,” Steve Wilkins told ABC News affiliate KABC. “All of a sudden, a bunch of questions come through, what happened? How could she be left like this? Was she alone?”

This just sounds so weird to me....I can't put my finger on it.
__________________
~*~ Justice for Caylee ~*~
Reply With Quote
The Following 15 Users Say Thank You to BaileyandBella For This Useful Post:
  #31  
Old 05-01-2012, 02:24 AM
katydid23's Avatar
katydid23 katydid23 is offline
Verified Juanette
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 24,850
It also makes sense why someone might drive away instead of staying and calling 911. If she was ill with natural causes then her visitor would have called for help. imo.

And her brother saying " How could she be left like this?" That almost sounds like he knew it might be an OD. imo


I could be wrong, but nothing else makes any sense so far. I raised my kids around here, and a lot of the local rich kids were doing a lot of hard drugs.
__________________
“Every day that they don’t find something is good for me.“ Billie Dunn
Reply With Quote
The Following 11 Users Say Thank You to katydid23 For This Useful Post:
  #32  
Old 05-01-2012, 03:20 AM
colette's Avatar
colette colette is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Indiana
Posts: 1,687
Maybe she still had a needle in her arm or something like that. it's the only thing that makes sense.
Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to colette For This Useful Post:
  #33  
Old 05-01-2012, 03:58 AM
shana shana is offline
elsewhere
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Montecito, CA
Posts: 2,008
Quote:
Originally Posted by BaileyandBella View Post
Has anyone heard where she lived? She was housesitting for her parents.
I heard she lived in Orange County. I believe I heard/saw that on jvm.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to shana For This Useful Post:
  #34  
Old 05-01-2012, 04:26 AM
Kaliste's Avatar
Kaliste Kaliste is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: California
Posts: 1,752
Quote:
Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
It also makes sense why someone might drive away instead of staying and calling 911. If she was ill with natural causes then her visitor would have called for help. imo.

And her brother saying " How could she be left like this?" That almost sounds like he knew it might be an OD. imo


I could be wrong, but nothing else makes any sense so far. I raised my kids around here, and a lot of the local rich kids were doing a lot of hard drugs.
I'm with ya on this one!
Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Kaliste For This Useful Post:
  #35  
Old 05-01-2012, 07:48 AM
terracotta's Avatar
terracotta terracotta is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: NH
Posts: 904
So she had just put in a load of laundry in the washer.(or someone did, hope they checked for fingerprints on the washer buttons, I wonder what was in the washing machine as well) That cycle at most is 45 minutes....it was still running when the brother arrived. So that would mean whatever happened to her happened in the minutes before her brother arrived?
Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to terracotta For This Useful Post:
  #36  
Old 05-01-2012, 07:53 AM
noZme's Avatar
noZme noZme is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Georgia, USA
Posts: 3,397
I was listening to JVM as I was driving last evening & her father said the 2 of them had run a half marathon a few months ago & she was in good physical shape. That makes me doubt drug use.

Not seeing his expressions, only able to hear his voice, he sounded perplexed about what may have happened but I did not read that as emotionless. I took him as someone who is practiced at not showing personal feelings publicly. The brother seemed much the same on a news video earlier.

To me, what seemed strange in the reporting was she felt cold to the touch, yet the clothes dryer was still going.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 05-01-2012, 07:56 AM
terracotta's Avatar
terracotta terracotta is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: NH
Posts: 904
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?se...les&id=8641445

In this piece it says the brother arrived in the afternoon, and she was cold to his touch. I have read now him arriving in the morning and afternoon. The laundry in the washing machine still in cycle....if she was cold AND the wash was in cycle then how could it not be foul play? Who knows what is misreporting...hard to figure out.....

Also the brother sounds odd.
Reply With Quote
The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to terracotta For This Useful Post:
  #38  
Old 05-01-2012, 10:32 AM
BaileyandBella's Avatar
BaileyandBella BaileyandBella is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 312
Ahhhh...the dryer VS the feeling cold!!

Did he call 911 right away?
__________________
~*~ Justice for Caylee ~*~
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to BaileyandBella For This Useful Post:
  #39  
Old 05-01-2012, 11:45 AM
BaileyandBella's Avatar
BaileyandBella BaileyandBella is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 312
My husband is a Paramedic and I asked him a few questions about being cold. He said if she had a congenital health problem, she could've gone into shock and turn cold right away.

In general, he said people do turn cold within 30-60 minutes. I didn't even know if could happen that fast. Plus if she was laying on the concrete floor, she could have felt colder from that.
__________________
~*~ Justice for Caylee ~*~
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 05-01-2012, 12:15 PM
Slmineburg's Avatar
Slmineburg Slmineburg is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 40
If Katie was "cold" as her brother reported then she had been dead for some time. My initial thoughts would be that whom ever was there with her when she died/was killed took time to pick up evidence, put clothes in the wash to destroy evidence and then take off in the car. The person that took the car must have left well before the brother arrived or the brother would have passed the car on the road, no multilane hiway in the "Bu", and recognized it as his sisters car. Very odd case indeed!
Reply With Quote
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to Slmineburg For This Useful Post:
  #41  
Old 05-01-2012, 12:27 PM
Truthful Lies's Avatar
Truthful Lies Truthful Lies is offline
"Life shrinks and expands in proportion to one's courage" ~ Anaďs Nin
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,530
This is so strange. Most of my questions have already been posted..but how bizarre.
__________________
Where is Jennifer Kesse? www.findjenniferkesse.com
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Truthful Lies For This Useful Post:
  #42  
Old 05-01-2012, 12:28 PM
colette's Avatar
colette colette is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Indiana
Posts: 1,687
She could have been doing well, but then had a drug habit relapse.
Reply With Quote
The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to colette For This Useful Post:
  #43  
Old 05-01-2012, 02:26 PM
terracotta's Avatar
terracotta terracotta is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: NH
Posts: 904
I am wondering as well if the buttons on the washer and dryer were checked for fingerprints. Also there is wrinkle settings on the dryer so every so often the dryer comes on for a minute or so. Maybe it was misconstrued as on...and it was on wrinkle guard. Another thing is that food was being prepared and coffee beans in the coffee grinder. So it may indicate that she was making breakfast...but obvious it could have been later. Would be interested in learning her coffee consumption. I would only have a cup of coffee first thing in the morning, not at any other time of day.

Also, wouldn't it be a VERY BIG coincidence that she died of natural causes AND her car was stolen?
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to terracotta For This Useful Post:
  #44  
Old 05-01-2012, 02:40 PM
BaileyandBella's Avatar
BaileyandBella BaileyandBella is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 312
So, if this is not considered a murder, it's just case closed? That means the Police won't be checking her computer, etc etc?

Also, if she was strangled or suffocated etc (no outward signs of death) would that have shown up on the autopsy right away?
__________________
~*~ Justice for Caylee ~*~
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to BaileyandBella For This Useful Post:
  #45  
Old 05-01-2012, 02:45 PM
katydid23's Avatar
katydid23 katydid23 is offline
Verified Juanette
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 24,850
I think they are still checking things out. But I have not even seen anything on the local news today, so they must not think there is a killer running loose.
__________________
“Every day that they don’t find something is good for me.“ Billie Dunn
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to katydid23 For This Useful Post:
  #46  
Old 05-01-2012, 02:51 PM
BaileyandBella's Avatar
BaileyandBella BaileyandBella is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 312
Local ABC news (Channel 7) just mentioned it....saying there was no foul play.
__________________
~*~ Justice for Caylee ~*~
Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to BaileyandBella For This Useful Post:
  #47  
Old 05-01-2012, 03:18 PM
terracotta's Avatar
terracotta terracotta is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: NH
Posts: 904
Quote:
Originally Posted by BaileyandBella View Post
So, if this is not considered a murder, it's just case closed? That means the Police won't be checking her computer, etc etc?

Also, if she was strangled or suffocated etc (no outward signs of death) would that have shown up on the autopsy right away?
I believe there are physical signs of suffocation and strangulation...tissue damage....I also think something happens to the blood vessels in the eyes...gosh this is gross....

It just concerns me that they didn't find a natural cause and are so quick to say no foul play. They can do a quick toxicology, so maybe they did that and something showed up. I hope they don't drop the ball on this. Rebecca Zahau comes to mind. The LE closed that case pretty quickly when there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that she was murdered. I know this situation isn't the same...but it is very odd.
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to terracotta For This Useful Post:
  #48  
Old 05-01-2012, 06:41 PM
crystalgenie's Avatar
crystalgenie crystalgenie is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Oak Harbor, WA
Posts: 568
She could have had her dealer with her. She ODs and he/she freaks out because their only way out of Malibu is her car. I have had friends be clean for over a year, they have run marathons and won weight-lifting contests... I don't understand but when they relapsed it killed them.

Maybe one of the nurses on here could explain why when the drug addict relapses they OD easier.
__________________
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't."

General George S. Patton
Reply With Quote
The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to crystalgenie For This Useful Post:
  #49  
Old 05-01-2012, 10:31 PM
katydid23's Avatar
katydid23 katydid23 is offline
Verified Juanette
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 24,850
Quote:
Originally Posted by crystalgenie View Post
She could have had her dealer with her. She ODs and he/she freaks out because their only way out of Malibu is her car. I have had friends be clean for over a year, they have run marathons and won weight-lifting contests... I don't understand but when they relapsed it killed them.

Maybe one of the nurses on here could explain why when the drug addict relapses they OD easier.
Those are some really good points. First of all, very true that her parents home is hidden away in the mountains of East Malibu, on windy little roads. You would need a car to get away without being noticed.

And she was supposedly getting ready for a small party being held at the home. So it would make sense that her dealer might be making an early stop there. Or maybe, just an old friend from back home, one that she used to party with. And maybe, like you mentioned, she was not used to doing drugs anymore. A body can go into cardiac arrest if not used to getting as high as before. It would make sense that the person who provided the high would need to disappear.

We had a tragic death of a high school kid in Agoura Hills, right next door to Malibu, months ago. And the kids friends who were 'partying' with him noticed he was really drunk and was sick, but they took him home to bed, and left him, to be found dead the next morning. It was heartbreaking.

But LE found everyone involved by going through his text messages. A couple of kids were charged with dealing heroin and coke and pot by looking at the cell records.
__________________
“Every day that they don’t find something is good for me.“ Billie Dunn
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to katydid23 For This Useful Post:
  #50  
Old 05-02-2012, 03:32 AM
hollyblue's Avatar
hollyblue hollyblue is offline
It may be the cock that crows, but it is the hen that lays the eggs.
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 9,113
Strange case. If she died of an overdose, wouldn't that be quite noticeable by the medical examiner? Fresh needle mark, residue in the nose or mouth? Stomach contents, blood, condition of the heart or lungs? Maybe the ME knows, and has told LE and the parents what they suspect, but have to wait on the toxicology report?

Anyone know what the father's occupation is? TIA

No personal experience, but I've heard the reason for ODing in people who had quit previously is the amount of the drug they use. Apparently they build up a resistance and then when they partake again they use the same dosage they had been use to....and the body can't take it. ??
__________________
Timeline, map, etc for Rachael
https://docs3.google.com/document/ed...PniSLRIE&pli=1#
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to hollyblue For This Useful Post:
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Katie Wilkins found dead in the garage of her parents' home *Media Links* imamaze Crimes In The News- Time Line - Media-Reference Forum 16 03-14-2013 10:48 PM
Texas Girl 4, Found Dead in Vehicle Outside Parents’ Home mysticrose Up to the Minute 37 07-26-2011 11:58 PM
Parents & children found dead in home noZme Crimes in the News 6 06-14-2011 01:28 PM
Parents, 2 children found dead in Mississippi home bessie Crimes-Spotlight on Children 5 12-27-2010 11:32 PM
8 children found in home with dead parents, Florida Seifsister Crimes in the News 1 07-10-2009 03:16 PM


© Copyright Websleuths 1999-2012 New To Site? Need Help?
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:21 AM.

Advertisements

Pre-Order Imperfect Justice: Prosecuting Casey Anthony today!