GZ Case - Defense Perspective

[ynotdivein]

Originally Posted by AJ Noiter

What'd I did?! O.O

LOL nothing bad!

[Velouria]

Originally Posted by katydid23

Everything that I have read about Corey, says she is a very aggressive prosecutor, who is known for over charging. She personally, holds the national record, for charging the youngest child ever as an adult.

Really? I don't think we've heard that before.

Just because someone out there thinks she is overzealous doesn't mean that there's no merit to her case.

[deelytful1]

Originally Posted by katydid23

True, but it will just add to the reasonable doubt. If GZ has medical reports and pictures of his injuries, and Trayvon has injuries present on his knuckles, then it becomes difficult for the jury to decide what happened, imo.

Agreed...
This is why I think all the moments leading up to the altercation and the 911 calls are key in discrediting GZs claim..

[katydid23]

Originally Posted by Velouria

Really? I don't think we've heard that before.

Just because someone out there thinks she is overzealous doesn't mean that there's no merit to her case.

According to Jacksonville defense attorney Mitchell Stone, Corey's reputation for being tough and close with law enforcement is earned. Stone says he worked with Corey at the state attorney's office from 1988 to 1991 and that she is tenacious, dedicated and set in her ways.
"If she sees things a particular way and she believes the evidence confirms her suspicions, it will take an awful lot to get her to back off," says Stone.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...mer-colleague/

Earlier this year, Stone says he was defending a woman charged with slashing a man she said attacked her, and Corey proceeded with charges until the judge dismissed the case finding that the woman had acted in self-defense.

[deelytful1]

Originally Posted by katydid23

According to Jacksonville defense attorney Mitchell Stone, Corey's reputation for being tough and close with law enforcement is earned. Stone says he worked with Corey at the state attorney's office from 1988 to 1991 and that she is tenacious, dedicated and set in her ways.
"If she sees things a particular way and she believes the evidence confirms her suspicions, it will take an awful lot to get her to back off," says Stone.

BBM and respectfully snipped...

:floorlaugh: OMG she sounds like 99% of the people I know on WS! She should join! LOL

Just jokes friends .. ;) Getting way past my bedtime.

[HiHater]

Originally Posted by katydid23

According to Jacksonville defense attorney Mitchell Stone, Corey's reputation for being tough and close with law enforcement is earned. Stone says he worked with Corey at the state attorney's office from 1988 to 1991 and that she is tenacious, dedicated and set in her ways.
"If she sees things a particular way and she believes the evidence confirms her suspicions, it will take an awful lot to get her to back off," says Stone.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...mer-colleague/

Earlier this year, Stone says he was defending a woman charged with slashing a man she said attacked her, and Corey proceeded with charges until the judge dismissed the case finding that the woman had acted in self-defense.

Also this:

Corey has tried hundreds of murder cases in her career, including many involving Florida's "stand your ground" self-defense law. Just two months ago, Stone says Corey's office made the decision not to charge Artur Veshti, who shot and killed Stone's client, Paulin Gavoci, after deciding Veshti acted in response to reasonable fear for his life.

I didn't read about her history of "overcharging" in that article...the same person gave an example where she dropped the charges, and one where she brought them...

[wowitsdark]

Originally Posted by who

Yes. You *can* make a determination.

There are no bandages on George that night.

None.

Actually, I do not believe that determination can be made.

That liquid bandage stuff - the super-glue substance - that is now used frequently to 'stitch' cuts together - would not necessarily be visible. In fact, it likely would *not* be visible.

[HiHater]

Originally Posted by wowitsdark

Actually, I do not believe that determination can be made.

That liquid bandage stuff - the super-glue substance - that is now used frequently to 'stitch' cuts together - would not necessarily be visible. In fact, it likely would *not* be visible.

My son had glue instead of stitches when he fell down an escalator last year and busted his forehead up. You could see the glue and the blood/redness underneath it. Besides that, for the first day or so it had to be covered and taped with gauze...:twocents:

[katydid23]

Originally Posted by HiHater

Also this:

Corey has tried hundreds of murder cases in her career, including many involving Florida's "stand your ground" self-defense law. Just two months ago, Stone says Corey's office made the decision not to charge Artur Veshti, who shot and killed Stone's client, Paulin Gavoci, after deciding Veshti acted in response to reasonable fear for his life.

I didn't read about her history of "overcharging" in that article...the same person gave an example where she dropped the charges, and one where she brought them...

Well, yes, she 'dropped' the charges after the judge dismissed the case. lol

And this article implies that she is very stubborn, imo. Just sayin...just because SHE is going after 2nd degree murder, it does not mean everyone would see it the same way. Just sayin....

[Velouria]

Originally Posted by katydid23

According to Jacksonville defense attorney Mitchell Stone, Corey's reputation for being tough and close with law enforcement is earned. Stone says he worked with Corey at the state attorney's office from 1988 to 1991 and that she is tenacious, dedicated and set in her ways.
"If she sees things a particular way and she believes the evidence confirms her suspicions, it will take an awful lot to get her to back off," says Stone.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...mer-colleague/

Earlier this year, Stone says he was defending a woman charged with slashing a man she said attacked her, and Corey proceeded with charges until the judge dismissed the case finding that the woman had acted in self-defense.

Well if a defense attorney said that about Corey, then it must be true. :)

[LaMer]

Originally Posted by RANCH

From this ABC article.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimm...2#.T7Mi3cWBrJd

Also from the above article:

Moments after the shooting Zimmerman told eyewitnesses he shot Martin in self defense. He later told officers his head was being pounded into the pavement and that he feared for his life, but that it was only when Martin seemed to reach for the gun wedges in his waistband that Zimmerman drew his weapon and fired directly into Martin's chest -- killing him

What are 'gun wedges' in a waistband?

[AJ Noiter]

Originally Posted by LaMer

Also from the above article:



What are 'gun wedges' in a waistband?

I think it was a typo, I believe they meant "wedged."

[katydid23]

Originally Posted by Velouria

Well if a defense attorney said that about Corey, then it must be true. :)

I just posted the first one I found, because you said you had never seen anyone say that. I have seen a dozen sat least, describing her as very 'aggressive' with her charges.

[LaMer]

Originally Posted by LaMer

Also from the above article:



What are 'gun wedges' in a waistband?

Originally Posted by AJ Noiter

I think it was a typo, I believe they meant "wedged."

Oh OK, thanks!

[AJ Noiter]

Originally Posted by LaMer

Oh OK, thanks!

No problem, The Sea.

Also, welcome to the forum!

[deelytful1]

Wow!! Welcome "WowitsDark" .. Seems like one person leaves and another person takes their place!! So many new people in the forum! Hope you like it here and decide to participate in all the other interesting threads we have as well! :seeya:

[LaMer]

Originally Posted by AJ Noiter

No problem, The Sea.

Also, welcome to the forum!

Thank you AJ Noiter!

I confess, I read and avoid posting. I am waiting.....as I have a lot of trouble without all the evidence to pre-convict someone, plus I might say the wrong thing! :banghead: LOL

[vlpate]

Originally Posted by katydid23

Well, yes, she 'dropped' the charges after the judge dismissed the case. lol

And this article implies that she is very stubborn, imo. Just sayin...just because SHE is going after 2nd degree murder, it does not mean everyone would see it the same way. Just sayin....

"Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty"
Ronald Reagan

I think this case will be dismissed. JMO

[suzihawk]

Originally Posted by katydid23

Well, yes, she 'dropped' the charges after the judge dismissed the case. lol

And this article implies that she is very stubborn, imo. Just sayin...just because SHE is going after 2nd degree murder, it does not mean everyone would see it the same way. Just sayin....

I prefer to call it tenacity. Something I personally like to see in a strong, confident SA.

:moo:

[HiHater]

Originally Posted by katydid23

Well, yes, she 'dropped' the charges after the judge dismissed the case. lol

And this article implies that she is very stubborn, imo. Just sayin...just because SHE is going after 2nd degree murder, it does not mean everyone would see it the same way. Just sayin....

Corey has tried hundreds of murder cases in her career, including many involving Florida's "stand your ground" self-defense law. Just two months ago, Stone says Corey's office made the decision not to charge Artur Veshti, who shot and killed Stone's client, Paulin Gavoci, after deciding Veshti acted in response to reasonable fear for his life.

Earlier this year, Stone says he was defending a woman charged with slashing a man she said attacked her, and Corey proceeded with charges until the judge dismissed the case finding that the woman had acted in self-defense.

I think you read that wrong. He's talking about 2 different cases.

[wowitsdark]

Originally Posted by HiHater

My son had glue instead of stitches when he fell down an escalator last year and busted his forehead up. You could see the glue and the blood/redness underneath it. Besides that, for the first day or so it had to be covered and taped with gauze...:twocents:

While I don't doubt your story, it is merely anecdotal. My own child had his hand 'stitched' with glue by an uncle with EMT training (we were in the mountains and it wasn't very handy to go in for a cut that might or might not need stitches), and it was barely visible. And he wore no gauze.

My daughter had a head injury after a run-in with a concrete sidewalk. Epidural hematoma. Skull fracture. Concussion. Brain surgery. But externally, there wasn't a scratch on her, and she never lost consciousness.

My point is that simply because we know of stories that prove something other than assertion made here could have happened, that does not mean that those stories represent the only possibility.

The question isn't whether a glued injury *might* show up. It's whether it might *not* show up on a grainy photo. Just because it possibly would does not mean that it did.

[HiHater]

Originally Posted by wowitsdark

While I don't doubt your story, it is merely anecdotal. My own child had his hand 'stitched' with glue by an uncle with EMT training (we were in the mountains and it wasn't very handy to go in for a cut that might or might not need stitches), and it was barely visible. And he wore no gauze.

My daughter had a head injury after a run-in with a concrete sidewalk. Epidural hematoma. Skull fracture. Concussion. Brain surgery. But externally, there wasn't a scratch on her, and she never lost consciousness.

My point is that simply because we know of stories that prove something other than assertion made here could have happened, that does not mean that those stories represent the only possibility.

The question isn't whether a glued injury *might* show up. It's whether it might *not* show up on a grainy photo. Just because it possibly would does not mean that it did.

I understand what you're saying, but you backed up your own assertion with more anecdotal evidence? ETA: And I was responding to YOU originally saying that the glue would likely NOT be visible.

[wowitsdark]

Originally Posted by HiHater

I understand what you're saying, but you backed up your own assertion with more anecdotal evidence? ETA: And I was responding to YOU originally saying that the glue would likely NOT be visible.

Yes - just driving home the point about the anecdotal.

Regardless... the possibility of the glue is something that I assume will come out in trial. Surely the EMT on the scene will testify to what treatments he applied, if any.

[katydid23]

Originally Posted by HiHater

Corey has tried hundreds of murder cases in her career, including many involving Florida's "stand your ground" self-defense law. Just two months ago, Stone says Corey's office made the decision not to charge Artur Veshti, who shot and killed Stone's client, Paulin Gavoci, after deciding Veshti acted in response to reasonable fear for his life.

Earlier this year, Stone says he was defending a woman charged with slashing a man she said attacked her, and Corey proceeded with charges until the judge dismissed the case finding that the woman had acted in self-defense.

I think you read that wrong. He's talking about 2 different cases.

I know it was two different cases. Sorry, I thought you were referring to the second one, when you said she dropped the charges.

[beach]

Yes, a lot of OFF TOPIC posts were removed.

I generated a topical thread here.

I generated a topical thread here.