TN - Joann Bain and 1 daughter (deceased), 2 missing, Hardeman County, 27 April 2012

[shefner]

I am wondering if Mayes killed these two individuals because he was afraid they would contact LE to confirm that he had Jodi and the girls. After all, LE had interviewed him and felt he was lying to them. I'm not sure where Jodi and the girls were at that time....their vehicle had been located so where were they? Apparently he hid them? Could he have hid them with these individuals and then he panicked when he realized how quickly they pinpointed him?
This is my line of thinking...

[Cazzie]

Another thing odd about the reporting in this case, is one or more of the earlier articles posted mentioned Texas in the list of states in which Paco has connections. Later posts and articles omitted Texas. Most recently (that I noticed), it's back.

I still the motorcycle club possibility bears consideration, in that Paco may have a network of connected people to enable moving around, even if he doesn't know them in person. But I'm not saying that all motorcycle clubs are bad, or even that he's in one.

[andalso]

Trying to get my facts straight here.
Did mom and children go missing before Paco?
Confused that LE interview Paco and find him to be lying, but LE doesn't keep their sites on him? And then Paco goes and meets up with the mom and kids?

Or, it must be that LE didn't find out he was lying until after they had already let him go, and by then they couldn't locate him?

[shefner]

Originally Posted by andalso

Trying to get my facts straight here.
Did mom and children go missing before Paco?
Confused that LE interview Paco and find him to be lying, but LE doesn't keep their sites on him? And then Paco goes and meets up with the mom and kids?

Or, it must be that LE didn't find out he was lying until after they had already let him go, and by then they couldn't locate him?

Here is a link to help with some of your questions...Its so tough to keep up with all the different information coming out.

http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news...e-rpt-20120502

[Snoopster]

Video here shows house where bodies were found, I believe. (around 40-45 seconds into video)

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-ten...ry?id=16289357

[~n/t~]

Originally Posted by shefner

I am wondering if Mayes killed these two individuals because he was afraid they would contact LE to confirm that he had Jodi and the girls. After all, LE had interviewed him and felt he was lying to them. I'm not sure where Jodi and the girls were at that time....their vehicle had been located so where were they? Apparently he hid them? Could he have hid them with these individuals and then he panicked when he realized how quickly they pinpointed him?
This is my line of thinking...

I posted a similar theory, shefner. Maybe these 2 individuals were the ones who called LE with the tip and they got caught by Mayes and he killed them? Just speculation at this point. We don't even know if he was involved in these deaths at this point and who these 2 victims are. Hopefully we get more news today.

[TxLady2]

Originally Posted by Ghostwheel

You'll forgive me if I LOL! This release has got nearly everything ever written at some random time during this whole thing. With enough disclaimers to satisfy an attorney. "Could be", "wasn't clear", "not immediately aware", "Trying to determine", "wasn't sure". Yep, they covered just about everything here, without really giving you any information except "You see these guys, you report it!"

But really.... what else can they say? So much is not known, and their only source for real information is coming from a wire service, and from LE in another state. What else could one expect?? Also, this is still in the early stages and even LE is going on assumption right now.

[TNGirl615]

In this article, it says the bodies ARE tied to the case:

http://www.wptz.com/news/national/Bo...2/-/i03pkaz/-/

[TxLady2]

Originally Posted by andalso

Trying to get my facts straight here.
Did mom and children go missing before Paco?
Confused that LE interview Paco and find him to be lying, but LE doesn't keep their sites on him? And then Paco goes and meets up with the mom and kids?

Or, it must be that LE didn't find out he was lying until after they had already let him go, and by then they couldn't locate him?

I would assume, since he was questioned regarding their disappearance, then yes, they went missing before he did.
ETA: I think it was stated that they didn't pick up on the lying until they went to question him again and he was gone.

[TNGirl615]

Here is a picture of a girl with Marfans Syndrome. She said I could post it here because she didn't think any of our friends would see it.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php...type=3&theater

[TNGirl615]

Another article insinuating mom is one of the victims:

http://*****************/viewArticle.a...81474981312355

[wfgodot]

Originally Posted by TNGirl615

Another article insinuating mom is one of the victims:

http://*****************/viewArticle.a...81474981312355

With all due respect, *********** is not MSM and frequently in other cases has been proven wrong. Writers there are paid in direct relation to how many page visits they generate, and their regard for objective fact might be said to be rather weak.

[PMLsmom]

I wonder where/who the dad is for the two eldest. Has he spoken out?

[southsleuth]

There doesn't seem to be any "new" news on this case. Are LE agents keeping this close? Strange case indeed.

[wfgodot]

Still no ID on bodies found.

This is from the most recent - within the last minute - AP update:

HARDEMAN COUNTY, TENN. -- A family friend says a Tennessee woman and her three children who have gone missing had recently moved to Arizona.

Linda Kirkland is a cook at the Country Cafe in Whiteville, Tenn. Kirkland said Sunday that Jo Ann Bain and her three daughters had recently moved to Arizona because the two youngest girls had asthma.

Kirkland says the family had recently returned to Tennessee to take care of some business after a death in the family.
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more here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

[sherbetjello]

Originally Posted by TNGirl615

In this article, it says the bodies ARE tied to the case:

http://www.wptz.com/news/national/Bo...2/-/i03pkaz/-/

Okay, I have official lost my head due to the amount of spinning.

[BeginnersLuck]

Originally Posted by wfgodot

Still no ID on bodies found.

This is from the most recent - within the last minute - AP update:


more here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

It sounds like she lived in TN, moved to AZ, returned to TN (temporarily) to take care of a death in the family?


Snipped from below article: "Alpine Fire Chief Lewis Grimes says Mayes had just recently moved to town about a year ago and most people didn’t know much about him or his family."

http://wreg.com/2012/05/05/who-is-su...int-a-picture/

Where did he live before?

Still digging......

[RoseRed]

A lot of interesting info being posted here
http://www.facebook.com/wtvanewstoday

[HaikuMommy]

Originally Posted by Coldpizza

The suspect is the ex brother in law of the mother's husband, but that is only from FB. That has not been stated in MS media so consider it rumor.

I was hoping you could shed more light on this... where on FB does it seem that's how he is associated with this family?

Sickos usually have a very strict type and age range. I believe he must have been focused on either mom or one (possibly two) girls. I keep trying to figure out -- which one was the object of his obssession?

Okay, I am going to engage in some wild speculation now. Since there isn't any new info coming out, my mind is running laps. These may not even make sense.

Theory #1... Adrienne was the focus. Maybe AM romanced the 14yo, and as mom was preparing to move them to AZ, he and Adrienne planned to escape together. I heard a friend of Adrienne's said she was planning to dye her hair this weekend. That seems odd to me, considering that they say they found evidence that AM cut his hair and that others had cut/dyed hair too. So possibly when the escape was happening, mom realized what was going on and tried to intervene. Mom and youngest could be the two bodies (I hope not), because he really seemed close to Adrienne (14yo) and Alexandria (12yo) in his FB photos.

Theory #2: Adrienne and Alexandria were the focus (which is why I was hoping to clarify his "ex-brother-in-law" status, for this theory). IF he were the brother of Jo Ann's ex (the one who fathered the two older girls) that would kind of explain why it didn't freak anyone out for him to have pics of himself with the girls all over his FB page. Then I could kind of see him being mad that the girls were moving away, and maybe mom and youngest are the bodies found, since they are not biologically related to him. (He is called "brother" on all 3 girls' FB pages.)

Theory #3: JoAnn was the focus, and maybe was running away with the guy... then things got ugly and he killed his own parents, or someone else who tried to stop them.

Okay, like I said, these are all wild speculation.

[TobyWong*]

I don't understand why there isn't screaming coverage on who these bodies are. Where this guy and this mom & these girls could be. Should'nt there be an APB? This is a crazy and dangerous situation for a lot of people and the public is just left hanging?

[MsFacetious]

Union County Sheriff Jimmy Edwards says autopsies will be performed Sunday on two
bodies found in the backyard of a man wanted in connection with the abduction of a mother and her three daughters.

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The sheriff adds that law enforcement knows the identities on the bodies but cannot release that information yet.

http://www.wtva.com/news/local/story...edium=facebook

Originally Posted by TNGirl615

In this article, it says the bodies ARE tied to the case:

http://www.wptz.com/news/national/Bo...2/-/i03pkaz/-/

I think any bodies found in or around a residence used by this suspect are going to be tied to the case.
It doesn't have to mean that they are victims FROM this case however.

If this guy kills two people and then abducts 4 more... those two murders are still "tied to the case" because it's the same suspect.

We've seen that before... woman goes missing, two totally unrelated people go missing... bodies are found in separate places.
One body obviously indicates that the others are in extreme danger.

Make sense?

Originally Posted by PMLsmom

I wonder where/who the dad is for the two eldest. Has he spoken out?

I believe he spoke out on the facebook page at some point, but other than that I haven't seen anything.
These girls don't have his last name and the current husband has been around at least since they were 3 and 1...
So I wondered if the biological father may not be around a lot?

[belimom]

This article makes it sound like LE does not know the identity of the bodies. *IF* that is true, then something bad was done to them. ) (ETA - Just saw MsF's post above that LE *does* know the ID of the bodies - my guess is the mom isn't one of them and maybe they don't know at this point what her involvement is... willing accomplice, forced accomplice, or victim. If the public were to find out the mom is 'on the run', they may assume she's a perp also, which may/may not be the case. JMHO)

bbm
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-ten...7#.T6bNO1FFajM

Authorities are working to identify the two bodies found in Mississippi during the search for a missing Tennessee mother and her three daughters this weekend.

[LaLaw2000]

This is ridiculous! If Mayes is the one who killed these two people, then he knows what he did and who they are. Why keep the identities of the bodies so secret? I don't understand.

At first the bodies were supposedly found in the house. One article (forgot which one) mentioned the bodies were found in the yard. I believe the people in that immediate area deserve to know who was killed! I cannot believe a local has not leaked who he/she believes the bodies to be. The people in the surrounding area know who lived in that house, I would think. Could it have been Mayes own sister (ex Mrs. Bain?) and Mother? His Mother and his Father? Who? And why the secrecy?

MOO

[LaLaw2000]

Originally Posted by belimom

This article makes it sound like LE does not know the identity of the bodies. *IF* that is true, then something bad was done to them. ) (ETA - Just saw MsF's post above that LE *does* know the ID of the bodies - my guess is the mom isn't one of them and maybe they don't know at this point what her involvement is... willing accomplice, forced accomplice, or victim. If the public were to find out the mom is 'on the run', they may assume she's a perp also, which may/may not be the case. JMHO)

bbm
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-ten...7#.T6bNO1FFajM

Authorities are working to identify the two bodies found in Mississippi during the search for a missing Tennessee mother and her three daughters this weekend.

BBM:

I find it hard to believe that local LE and the FBI do not know who these two bodies are.

Just don't believe them...............

MOO

[LaLaw2000]

In a pic of the house where the bodies were found, there is an old blue trailer in the back yard. Wonder if that trailer is where Mayes may have lived and not in the house?