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Old 05-02-2012, 05:29 PM
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OH K melly !!!! LOL i got ya sorry !
Does anyone know where she works?
does she work EMT for a hospital?
Maybe she worked emt sunday nights and had classes monday morning?

Guess staff mettings are out LOL
could she cover for someone else? do someones shift?

LOL we dont even know what she does or where she does it lol


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Well. We do actually. <modsnip>.

"She was assigned to the 601st Area Support Medical Company, 261st Multifunctional Medical Battalion, 44th Medical Brigade, as a health service specialist."
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:34 PM
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I am not certain on this....In Colorado we only had to do a VIN on vehicles that were purchased from out of state. When I read this, it could be the same for Florida....I think he would not need a VIN, if purchased from someone in Florida who had a title in Florida...IMHO...

I used to do VIN Inspections as part of my duty.

Here in Florida you go to the dmv to register the car the clerk goes out and reads the vin number if you cant drive the car there u get a form and a LE officer goes to the house and reads the vin you have to tell them the mileage on the car also!
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:42 PM
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omgosh!

I left this morning and haven't even figured out what i missed.
Glad to see that that catch of her working Sunday stirred a lil new conversation.
Going back to read up from this am.
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:44 PM
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I am not certain on this....In Colorado we only had to do a VIN on vehicles that were purchased from out of state. When I read this, it could be the same for Florida....I think he would not need a VIN, if purchased from someone in Florida who had a title in Florida...IMHO...

I used to do VIN Inspections as part of my duty.
A vehicle has to be titled every time it changes hands because that is the official record for who owns the car. Why would anyone buy a vehicle and leave the title in someone else's name? Could you possibly be thinking of the tag which different?
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:46 PM
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Well. We do actually. <modsnip>.

"She was assigned to the 601st Area Support Medical Company, 261st Multifunctional Medical Battalion, 44th Medical Brigade, as a health service specialist."
I mean is she in Class or working out of a hospital? W
We know what she is!

Where was she taking her classes on Base?
Was she taking classes

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Old 05-02-2012, 05:52 PM
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A vehicle has to be titled every time it changes hands because that is the official record for who owns the car. Why would anyone buy a vehicle and leave the title in someone else's name? Could you possibly be thinking of the tag which different?
In some states, as long as the car is registered in state pre-purchase you have awhile post-sale in which to change the registration to your name. Essentially, the seller registers the car pre-sale for a "temporary new owner" registration and then the buyer has to trade that in within some set period of time. If the buyer bought the car just after the temporary registration was obtained, that period could be up to 3 months.

There would still be some evidence to back-track the purchaser's mileage from (based on whatever the mileage was at the time of pre-registration), but if the seller had been driving the car in the interim period, it would be sketchy and could come down to a he said/she said between the seller and buyer unless the mileage was specifically noted at the time of sale.

ETA: Unfortunately, I also wouldn't be shocked to find out that some states don't even note the mileage at the time of the temporary registration for the above reason and instead wait for the new owner to register it.
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:59 PM
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VOH I don't know if you saw my post in the last closed thread, but just in case you didn't, I am bringing it over for your consideration.

VOH, does anyone know the history of the actual building where Froggy's is located? Has the building ever been used as a restaurant or cafe of any kind, or a bar that served food, like burgers and fries. I know that Froggy's doesn't serve food out of the building now but I am asking about possible uses in the past.

Curious because VOH said that NH mowed the grass and did other chores around the building. Is it possible that there is an old grease trap or septic system located on the property that NH might have found? Also a few days ago some people were talking about the stench/smell that was supposedly coming from behind Froggy's, and other said that a body would not have decomposed that quickly, but we need to remember that she supposedly disappeared on Friday night/early Saturday morning but was not reported missing until Monday. By the time LE got the report about the stench/smell on Tuesday? or Wednesday?, her body would have begun to decompose and smell.


Also Kelli had an Apple I-phone so turning it off would not have disabled the cell tower pings or the GPS function, only a dead battery or the removal of the battery (which is very hard to do on an i-phone) would stop those functions.

I am also wondering if the pawn shops have been checked. Once the sim card is removed it could be bought and resold to some unsuspecting person thru a pawn shop, craig's list, e-bay or other means.The cell phone may only be identifiable by the serial numbers on the phone at this point. LE could get the serial number from the carrier. They should release the serial number information to the public so that people who had recently acquired a phone from someone other than a carrier, could check their phone to see if it was the one that is missing.
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:14 PM
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VIN INSPECTION
If the vehicle was not titled previously in
Florida, the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN)
must be verified by the owner and one of the
following: a Florida DMV Compliance
Examiner/Officer, a Licensed Florida Motor
Vehicle Dealer, a Florida Notary Public or a
Police Officer, in any jurisdiction.

http://www.flhsmv.gov/dmv/80007.pdf
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:28 PM
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A vehicle has to be titled every time it changes hands because that is the official record for who owns the car. Why would anyone buy a vehicle and leave the title in someone else's name? Could you possibly be thinking of the tag which different?
No, I am talking a VIN inspection. As long as the vehicle did not sit without a title or registration or the previous owner and car were not from another state. The title could be transferred without a Certified VIN Inspection. However, I cannot say what they did at Motor Vehicle. I would have to call them at times to get advice on a harder Vin or if a color was off...Say the title stated that the car was BLU but it was BRO, I would have to put the true color. Hence causing confusion. Also we had to verify the Vin in two locations, usually up on dash and inside door. But if one was unreadable usually due to dirt and not being able to get my hand in to scrape it off, then I would have to find it on the motor....The motor, inner door and dash all have the VIN on it, or they should.
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:42 PM
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:44 PM
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No, I am talking a VIN inspection. As long as the vehicle did not sit without a title or registration or the previous owner and car were not from another state. The title could be transferred without a Certified VIN Inspection. However, I cannot say what they did at Motor Vehicle. I would have to call them at times to get advice on a harder Vin or if a color was off...Say the title stated that the car was BLU but it was BRO, I would have to put the true color. Hence causing confusion. Also we had to verify the Vin in two locations, usually up on dash and inside door. But if one was unreadable usually due to dirt and not being able to get my hand in to scrape it off, then I would have to find it on the motor....The motor, inner door and dash all have the VIN on it, or they should.
We kind of got off subject because it is not the VIN number that is important here but the possible mileage on the vehicle (for those of you that suspect MB). In Georgia the mileage is recorded when a vehicle is bought/sold (requiring a title change) or gets a safety inspection every year in certain counties. I know that you have to get a new tag for it in Georgia because it does not change hands in a sale (the tag must be removed and kept by the seller until turned into the DMV). I believe that another poster has already stated the laws for Florida governing mileage records.
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:50 PM
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I have to go run get dressed to go out tonight but I just wanted to send out a message to anyone that ishelping in the search for Kelli or her belongings (in case they read here). Kelli's phone has a black face and black back with only a small silver rim around the outside. It will be very hard to spot on the ground, especially with all the leaves! Look thoroughly and be safe!! Till later gang!
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:09 PM
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Surprised no one has commented on this:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/472607...ay-today_news/
"In the initial days after her disappearance, police received a signal from Bordeaux’s iPhone, pinging from a wooded area, but they could not pinpoint its exact location and the signal is now gone. "
I had not seen that the pings from the phone were AFTER her disappearance. Additionally, it says they were from a wooded area. (not necessarily the bar)
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:35 PM
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I know work does not call husbands when ya dont show up they call you and they call your home.

IM thinking she missed work sunday because they wouldnt show up at her door monday if she was only a few hrs late she must have missed the day before also for them to se sooo concerned to go to her apt.

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Oh yes they would. My husband has had to go to many houses when a soldier did not show and did not answer the phone. And they will call the spouse because they have rosters for the unit with soldiers name and spouses name and phone numbers and addresses. Usually used for FRGs. So when you don't show up for 6am P.T. they notice. Then they start calling you and wait until 9 am to see if you show then they call you more and ask other soldiers. Then they go to your house. Then call the spouse.

So they absolutley would.
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:37 PM
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Since Kelli's mom and husband were in Tennessee I wonder if they are headed home to Florida. Does anyone know if the brother or sister are remaining in N.C., or if they are headed back to their home states too?
I know Olivia is not currently in NC. Not sure about Mark or Kelli's uncle.
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:11 PM
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VOH, does anyone know the history of the actual building where Froggy's is located? Has the building ever been used as a restaurant or cafe of any kind, or a bar that served food, like burgers and fries. I know that Froggy's doesn't serve food out of the building now but I am asking about possible uses in the past.

Curious because VOH said that NH mowed the grass and did other chores around the building. Is it possible that there is an old grease trap or septic system located on the property that NH might have found? Also a few days ago some people were talking about the stench/smell that was supposedly coming from behind Froggy's, and other said that a body would not have decomposed that quicky, but we need to remember that she supposedly disappeared on Friday night/early Saturday morning but was not reported missing until Monday. By the time LE got the report about the stench/smell on Tuesday? or Wednesday?, her body would have begun to decompose and smell.

Also Kelli had an Apple I-phone so turning it off would not have disabled the cell tower pings or the GPS function, only a dead battery or the removal of the battery (which is very hard to do on an i-phone) would stop those functions.
I do not know the history of the building, but there is no grill or anything set up for cooking there.
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:20 PM
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Surprised no one has commented on this:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/472607...ay-today_news/
"In the initial days after her disappearance, police received a signal from Bordeaux’s iPhone, pinging from a wooded area, but they could not pinpoint its exact location and the signal is now gone. "
I had not seen that the pings from the phone were AFTER her disappearance. Additionally, it says they were from a wooded area. (not necessarily the bar)
Thanks for the post Mook.

I had, with my limited "ping" knowledge, always assumed that there were pings before and after Kelli was last seen. Just had not read that LE determined that it was pinging from a wooded area but could not pinpoint the exact location.

Seems a ping would made a "record" somewhere and even when the pinging stops, one could find where it had been coming from before. However, if there is a 1.7mile radius I see that covers quite an area. Wonder how they know it is a wooded area - say rather than in a parking lot?

I'm thinking it must be the wooded areas in the tower's range. But, what enabled them to know it is wooded? Make one go.. hummmm?
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:28 PM
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Thanks for the post Mook.

I had, with my limited "ping" knowledge, always assumed that there were pings before and after Kelli was last seen. Just had not read that LE determined that it was pinging from a wooded area but could not pinpoint the exact location.

Seems a ping would made a "record" somewhere and even when the pinging stops, one could find where it had been coming from before. However, if there is a 1.7mile radius I see that covers quite an area. Wonder how they know it is a wooded area - say rather than in a parking lot?

I'm thinking it must be the wooded areas in the tower's range. But, what enabled them to know it is wooded? Make one go.. hummmm?
Yes because there is a lot of woods around Kelli's own apartment building also.
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:43 PM
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MB is Kelli's official next of kin legally . Kelli's Mom seems to be a very savvy woman and was not born yesterday, so she could be staying very close to MB because she knows he has the legal rights to the information and even all military information.

It is also possible that she really does like MB, but I have to wonder if the thought has crossed her mind that MB may know more than he is saying or telling her.

Personally, I believe the military if they say Kelli and Mike were estranged.

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I'm thinking it might have been her GPS that kept on giving a signal longer. That's just mho, so don't take it as fact

Does anyone know if and when they searched the woods around her apartment? Was it a thorough search, or one where they'd be looking for something large? I believe I recall a fast search there when she first went missing, but I'm not sure.
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I know Olivia is not currently in NC. Not sure about Mark or Kelli's uncle.
And Kelli's mom lives in TN.
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:55 PM
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I'm thinking it might have been her GPS that kept on giving a signal longer. That's just mho, so don't take it as fact

Does anyone know if and when they searched the woods around her apartment? Was it a thorough search, or one where they'd be looking for something large? I believe I recall a fast search there when she first went missing, but I'm not sure.
It's been searched multiple times last time being this past saturday with a search team and search dogs.
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Old 05-02-2012, 09:25 PM
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I'm thinking it might have been her GPS that kept on giving a signal longer. That's just mho, so don't take it as fact
Could be Writer7, but seems a GPS report/signal would be even more detailed on exact location spot (within feet). JMT = just my thinking.
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I have a couple questions directed only to folks that participated in Fayetteville searches last week & this week:

A. When search leaders gave instructions, did they advise you to look high & low for KB's phone - ex. look in tree holes and in forks as well as on the ground?

B. Did search leaders describe that KB had multiple tatoos?

C. Did you observe LE collecting any items found during your group's search?

Thanks for answering if you can.
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I still think that Kelli's cell could have died in that little area between Methodist University and Froggy's where there is interference and dropped calls.

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