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Murder in the 2nd Degree
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Manslaughter
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Not guilty (Self defense)
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Not guilty (SYG)
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05-04-2012, 02:55 AM
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NG = not enough evidence has been released for me to make a sound decision.
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05-04-2012, 07:01 AM
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Based on the info. we have now, I voted not guilty-SYG.
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05-04-2012, 07:21 AM
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Not Guilty/self-defence based on what few facts I have now. Too many questions for me to agree that he deserves a higher sentence. I need to know how the physical altercation between TM and GZ got started and what exactly happened before TM was shot. So far I dont see they have enough to convict GZ
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05-04-2012, 07:27 AM
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Guilty - 2nd degree murder
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05-04-2012, 08:12 AM
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Guilty 2nd degree
As of right now...
I must say when I first heard about his case, heard the call into dispatch, the horrific scream of help, heard that a NWP volunteer shot and killed an unarmed teen, SPD didn't bring charges, I believed he should have been arrested immediately..
It also didn't compute for me, that an adult brandishing a loaded weapon could be in reasonable fear of a lone teen walking back to his home. GZ already had the upper hand so how reasonable is his fear..
I tend to believe it's all embellishment on GZ part so that it goes to the idea he has of a SYG defense..which also had my hinky meter setting off...GZ being criminal justice major probably studied the statute and felt he knew just what to say and do to raise the SYG defense...:banghead:
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05-04-2012, 09:02 AM
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I didnt vote as my answer is not there :P
I thought manslaughter but the state charged second degree....until I know why I cant make a decision.
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05-04-2012, 09:09 AM
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Quote:
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I didnt vote as my answer is not there :P
I thought manslaughter but the state charged second degree....until I know why I cant make a decision.
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There is an option for manslaughter....
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05-04-2012, 09:53 AM
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Not Guilty self defense
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If I had to vote now: Manslaughter.
At this time I don't feel convinced GZ set out to murder TM. But I feel reasonably comfortable saying the course of action GZ undertook that night, while perhaps not premeditated to end in fatality, a fatality could, by a reasonable person, be seen as a possible outcome.
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05-04-2012, 11:36 AM
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<Modsnip> if I had to vote today, that is why based on just the call from GZ to the dispatcher, I would vote for 2nd Degree Murder. He was told he didn't need to follow him, but he did. Therefore, I feel like "depraved" indifference comes into play.
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05-04-2012, 11:42 AM
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I voted second degree but I'm not convinced GZ is not guilty of First Degree Murder... JMHO
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05-04-2012, 12:00 PM
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Not Guilty- SYG
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05-04-2012, 12:34 PM
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If we have to vote today, I voted Not guilty self defense.
But I have to say I am on the border line of man slaughter.
I think George was way too overzealous; IMHO he did not have to get out of the car, Even though it is legal for him to get out of the car.
ALSO: I think you can if need be shoot but not to kill. EVEN though I am told by people in different states who know more about guns than I ever would…. tell me the instructions are to kill, otherwise they come back to get you.
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I voted Guilty of manslaughter. I don't believe he left his car to go kill a kid. I do believe he should have stayed in his car and none of what followed would have happened. I do believe he pulled the gun before an altercation started since I cannot see how he could have pulled it with Trayvon on top of him. I do believe he pulled the gun to force Trayvon to stay put until the cops arrived which would make him the aggressor not Trayvon in my view. I do believe there were other options available to Zimmerman before he pulled his gun. I also cannot vote for SYG because I've yet to see any evidence that supports it, and the way this law is it is up to Zimmerman to present the evidence that supports it not the other way around.
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05-04-2012, 01:08 PM
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I voted Murder in the 2nd degree. Based on the evidence thus far, I view GZ as the aggressor.
Now my opinion on how the jury will vote because of that dumb (IMO) SYG law is a whole 'nother matter. I don't feel that GZ should spend life in prison BUT I wish for a felony conviction. IMHO, GZ should not be allowed to carry a gun, water gun, water hose, lazer pointer or any other object, for that matter, that he can aim at people in the neighborhood. But that's just me and MOO.
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05-04-2012, 01:10 PM
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Based on the evidence so far, I voted (voluntary) manslaughter.
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05-04-2012, 01:20 PM
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No vote.
I will be surprised if this goes to trial.
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05-04-2012, 01:23 PM
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If I were on the jury, of course I'd have to see all the evidence to make a decision in good conscience. If I am just posting an opinion and playing armchair quarterback, though, I'd vote for manslaughter.
I don't think GZ started out with the intention to shoot anyone. I doubt (though I don't know for sure) that when he actually shot TM, he was "happy" about or completely indifferent to the harm he was causing.
At the same time, he had no right to go chasing off after someone, toting a gun no less, and especially no right to try to detain someone. He had no business getting out of his vehicle, and he should have been able to figure out that harm could ensue from his actions. :twocents:
I admit I could be totally wrong and I'm not a lawyer, so maybe "depraved indifference" could include more than I think.
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I voted Manslaughter. Until I see the evidence that proves he murdered Trayvon in the 2nd degree, I am sticking with this. The moment he got out of that car and followed Trayvon so that he wouldn't get away made this a case of at least Manslaughter.
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05-04-2012, 04:14 PM
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I voted 2nd Degree Murder, but I wish I could have voted 1st Degree. GZ saw TM, saw the dark skin, didn't like what he saw, stalked TM, got out and aggressed him, and murdered him.
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05-04-2012, 04:19 PM
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2nd degree. He defied LE. by continuing after TM..He carried and used a gun which will tear you apart inside. George knew this. He was told NOT to carry a gun. N.W. does not work that way.IMO..
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Okay. If I had to make a determination at this moment with only the information available it would be for second degree murder. My reasoning is that in the 911 call follows the neighborhood watch handbook right down the line. He's suspicious, he's this, he's that. It's like he's reading it, setting the stage.
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I voted guilty of second degree murder. Actually, I believe he pre-meditated this so it would be 1st degree. I think the clicks on the 911 call were from him chambering a round so he formed intent before he even caught up to Trayvon. He was using hollow points so he meant business when he did that. I also believe that the screams were Trayvon pleading for his life and that is a sound I can't get out of my head since I listened to the recording.
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05-04-2012, 06:11 PM
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Guilty 2nd degree murder
The dispatcher told Zimmerman not to pursue, Zimmerman ignored him, took his gun and hunted the boy down and killed him. If there was a physical altercation it was Trayvon who was standing his ground against someone who stalked, harassed and physically attacked him.
Zimmerman has a history of violence and a hatred of black people.
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Murder 2 based on my interpretation of the "evidence". That said, I could easily switch if more evidence is released and does not support the "evidence" known now. If anything, I hope this case causes legislators to redefine SYG; those who initiate the confrontation should not be allowed to kill just because the fight is not going their way.
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