Trayvon at 7-11: Surveillance Video

[Emeralgem]

Originally Posted by Just K

the 7-11 tapes are interesting but are not in actual real-time speed. I see a kid who greets the clerk. They even exchange comments and then Trayvon gives him exact change. I suspect the question was "would you prefer a $20 or change?" Then Trayvon digs in his pockets for exact change. It breaks my heart that within a half an hour he would lie dead, in the rain, because some cowboy decided he was a bad guy.There is a time stamp on one of the video views and it looks like it say 18:59:59. If that was the time then Trayvon definitely wasn't dawdling.

I'm feeling the same as you are...Little did he know within 30 minutes or so his life would be snuffed out and he would be gone from this earthly plane forever... And to see him vilified and disrespected as he has been here in this forum..... IMHO unbelievably sad and tragic.. Just breaks my heart..JMHO

[Just K]

Yes, indeed the clerk and he discuss whether he wants a bag or not. Trayvon has the items bagged. I guess that might be the tan bag that was lying in the grass of the courtyard.

No matter what, it is obvious that the clerk had no problems with Trayvon except, perhaps, he looks bored and appears to stifle a yawn while Trayvon fishes for change.

This clerk's testimony could be very useful, if he even remembers the transaction.

Something to consider, TM might have asked him about the weather and the forecast or if he had a good day.

[whiteangora]

Originally Posted by mikeysmommom

Could of been roaches lol who knows thats why I wondered if he asked clerk about papers or cigar skins to roll a blunt as they now call em.

What difference does it make? I could care less if he asked the clerk for a moon rock. I just can't understand trying to rationalizie the unwarranted death of a teenager and then see his name tarnished. I pray that his parents aren't reading here.
He acted like a normal everyday shopper at the 7-11. moo

[wowitsdark]

Originally Posted by Just K

Something to consider, TM might have asked him about the weather and the forecast or if he had a good day.

That seems out of character for a teen to me - even a polite one.

I find his wearing the hood of his hoodie while inside the store to be surprising. Certainly not criminal... just odd.

It's far enough 'on' that it would have prevented him from having full peripheral vision - something I always find annoying.

[iluvmua]

Originally Posted by Emeralgem

I'm feeling the same as you are...Little did he know within 30 minutes or so his life would be snuffed out and he would be gone from this earthly plane forever... And to see him vilified and disrespected as he has been here in this forum..... IMHO unbelievably sad and tragic.. Just breaks my heart..JMHO

George Zimmerman has been vilified and disrespected all though out the threads.

But people don't seem to have a problem with it. like they do with TM.

[diesel]

Originally Posted by jjenny

If I worked as a cashier, and somebody came in with hood covering up their face, I would find it concerning.

Do you have any idea how many people wear hoodies? It is common place today. I wear a hoodie myself in the wind and rain and it has that large styled hood which keeps the rain off my face. Perhaps he should have slipped the hood back but imo he probably totally forgot he had it up. He was there on a quick mission to get candy and a drink and return. I notice he didn't buy a lighter. Poor kid. So sad.

[Kimberlyd125]

Originally Posted by Emeralgem

I'm feeling the same as you are...Little did he know within 30 minutes or so his life would be snuffed out and he would be gone from this earthly plane forever... And to see him vilified and disrespected as he has been here in this forum..... IMHO unbelievably sad and tragic.. Just breaks my heart..JMHO

It is sad to see him in that video knowing what we know now. What a tragic death. Gone too soon that's for sure.

But, I have not seen him vilified and disrespected here in this forum.
Discussing every aspect of a case is what we do.

It's getting to the point every time a fact is discussed that shows TM in a light other than a perfect angel, posters are accused of vilifying and disrespecting. Like we don't have a heart and are just cold.

It is very offensive to those of us who do have good hearts but are just discussing the facts as they are released.

JMO

[LambChop]

Originally Posted by iluvmua

George Zimmerman has been vilified and disrespected all though out the threads.

But people don't seem to have a problem with it. like they do with TM.

I really think that has to do with TM being dead and can't speak for himself. That GZ profiled him as someone who was a criminal about to commit a crime and TM can't speak for himself. While reports we have heard are about GZ giving various statements that are not consistent with what SAs' investigators now know as facts and regard them as evidence. The fact he was charged just adds to the conclusions most people come to when they consider what happened. TM is a victim, either way, because he's dead and cannot speak for himself. That was probably not a choice TM had while GZ had many choices and it appears he made some bad ones. jmo

[Just K]

Originally Posted by iluvmua

George Zimmerman has been vilified and disrespected all though out the threads.

But people don't seem to have a problem with it. like they do with TM.

Maybe because the things we've discovered about the guy who shot Trayvon, show some fairly irresponsible, entitled, heartless, mean-spirited and self aggrandizing traits for a 28 year old man. Even the not so polished or squeaky clean details that we hear about Trayvon are not in reference to the way he treated other human beings. HE was a 17 year old HS student who was finding his way in the world but will never have a chance to pursue a future in any direction. GZ took that opportunity away from him when he started a conflict that he had no intentions of fighting on equal terms. Trayvon had no idea who or what he was up against and had no reason in the world to have ever imagined that he could become the focus of a selfish man's idol paranoia.

JMO, as always

[MaryAnn]

Originally Posted by deelytful1

Poor Trayvon. Imagine just trying to go into 7-11 and buy some candy and sweet tea and being looked at like some kind of criminal? Then he gets stalked by GZ just for looking suspicious? Because he's wearing a flippin' hoodie? Yeah, no. I don't think THAT is the reason. If it IS the reason then I'd be more scared of the dude who walks in wearing a baseball cap and sunglasses which in Florida is MOST prevalent and hides a persons FACE more than just some hoodie.
What i see on the video is a kid buying tea and skittles. Like my son he's probably ALWAYS dropping stuff out of his pockets when he takes anything out of them so once he realized he lost something, he went back in to get it.
LOL.. all the comments about the cashier crack me up!! This is Sanford Florida! Not Suburbia. Perhaps a ski mask may have rattled the cashier.. but a hoodie? Laughable.

Thank you! It's amazing how far people will reach to make this kid look like a criminal. He looks like a kid with a hoodie on buying candy!

Some of the worst murderers or criminals in our history looked normal. Ted Bundy didn't wear a hoodie for example so to make Trayvon guilty of "what" because he has a hoodie on. Insinuating the 7/11 clerk should be scared for his life is reaching a bit I would think!! He doesn't look scared to me. How can you speak for him?

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[MaryAnn]

Originally Posted by iluvmua

George Zimmerman has been vilified and disrespected all though out the threads.

But people don't seem to have a problem with it. like they do with TM.

GZ was the one with the gun that held hollow point bullets. Bullets meant to kill!! He deserves to be vilified.

[Kimberlyd125]

Originally Posted by MaryAnn

GZ was the one with the gun that held hollow point bullets. Bullets meant to kill!! He deserves to be vilified.

Guns are meant to kill.

My husband has hollow point bullets in his gun.
He would not think twice before blowing someone away to protect himself and his family.

He is a great guy.

Just because someone has hollow point bullets does NOT make them a bad person who deserves to be vilified.

You may be surprised to know many many people use hollow points.

JMO

[MaryAnn]

Originally Posted by Kimberlyd125

Guns are meant to kill. My husband has hollow point bullets in his gun.
He would not think twice before blowing someone away to protect himself and his family.

He is a great guy.

Just because someone has hollow point bullets does NOT make them a bad person who deserves to be vilified.

You may be surprised to know many many people use hollow points.

JMO

BBM
This is exactly why GZ SHOULD NOT have been carrying a loaded weapon patroling an area he had no business patroling with a loaded weapon! GZ was in the wrong, Trayvon was not in anyway hurting GZ or anyone in his family. Trayvon was stalked, hunted and shot like a wild animal.

[Kimberlyd125]

Originally Posted by MaryAnn

BBM
This is exactly why GZ SHOULD NOT have been carrying a loaded weapon patroling an area he had no business patroling with a loaded weapon! GZ was in the wrong, Trayvon was not in anyway hurting GZ or anyone in his family. Trayvon was stalked, hunted and shot like a wild animal.

I've not seen evidence to support that.

I think he used his gun in self defense.

[MaryAnn]

Originally Posted by Kimberlyd125

I've not seen evidence to support that.

I think he used his gun in self defense.

BBM

think?????

[Kimberlyd125]

Originally Posted by MaryAnn

BBM

think?????

I can't see what you bolded bit since my post is only 2 sentences, I'll say, Yes.

[Beyond Belief]

I am going to watch it again, but with all that searching of the pockets, I wonder if he was trying to buy a pack of smokes, and was acting like he forgot his i.d., but hoped the clerk would let him have them anyway.

[iluvmua]

Originally Posted by MaryAnn

BBM
This is exactly why GZ SHOULD NOT have been carrying a loaded weapon patroling an area he had no business patroling with a loaded weapon! GZ was in the wrong, Trayvon was not in anyway hurting GZ or anyone in his family. Trayvon was stalked, hunted and shot like a wild animal.

is this your opinion? Because all of the evidence I've read about tells a very different story.

[Emeralgem]

Originally Posted by iluvmua

George Zimmerman has been vilified and disrespected all though out the threads.

But people don't seem to have a problem with it. like they do with TM.

IMHO..TM is the victim here..He is dead.. GZ is alive and breathing.. He is not the victim..For the most part he is receiving money and being protected eventhough he has been charged with Second Degree Murder...JMHO

[Lovejac]

It's just too sad to watch that video and know that in several minutes he will be dead :(

It must be hard for his parents to see that video. I want to yell at my computer, "Trayvon, don't leave yet. Wait a few minutes before you walk back home, please!" Then GZ would have been in Target shopping and would not have killed him.

[Dr.Fessel]

Originally Posted by Lovejac

It's just too sad to watch that video and know that in several minutes he will be dead :(

It must be hard for his parents to see that video. I want to yell at my computer, "Trayvon, don't leave yet. Wait a few minutes before you walk back home, please!" Then GZ would have been in Target shopping and would not have killed him.

"She said she stayed up most of the night crying last night," he responded. He then added: "If you are a parent, you know that is an just unimaginable thought that this is the last few minutes of my child's life."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_16...rtin-shooting/

[MaryAnn]

Originally Posted by iluvmua

is this your opinion? Because all of the evidence I've read about tells a very different story.

yes a one sided story spoken from the murderer himself. Trayvon can't tell his side of the story.

[rossva]

Why would anyone carry a gun with out bullets meant to kill? Guns and bullets are meant to kill.

Originally Posted by MaryAnn

GZ was the one with the gun that held hollow point bullets. Bullets meant to kill!! He deserves to be vilified.

[Dr.Fessel]

Originally Posted by rossva

Why would anyone carry a gun with out bullets meant to kill? Guns and bullets are meant to kill.

Not everyone thinks that way. I just saw a video of cops shooting a gun out of a guys hand. They were not trying to kill him.

[suzihawk]

Originally Posted by wowitsdark

That seems out of character for a teen to me - even a polite one.

I find his wearing the hood of his hoodie while inside the store to be surprising. Certainly not criminal... just odd.

It's far enough 'on' that it would have prevented him from having full peripheral vision - something I always find annoying.

I don't find it odd or surprising at all. After all, it had been raining. Hell, I wear my hoodie or a baseball cap to cover my hair when I need to run to the store and haven't showered or washed my hair yet. LOL

Was there a sign on the door prohibiting hoodies or hats? The only place I've ever seen such a sign is on the door of my bank (which also prohibits wearing sunglasses) - for obvious reasons.

The entire hoodie thing is much ado about nothing, IMO.