CA CA - Sierra Lamar, 15, Santa Clara County, 16 March 2012 **arrest** - #17

[askfornina]

Originally Posted by Merical2

Uvas is what she was saying...she's got a heavy accent, that's for sure.

Jumping off your post. I just completed a transcript of this interview with AGT's mother.

http://www.ktvu.com/videos/news/sier...-garcia/vHP2S/

I really had a difficult time understanding her. Would someone with a better ear than me be kind enough to proofread the transcript? PM me and I'll send it.

[gaetanosleuth408]

Originally Posted by Ransom

The first thing *I* think of when I hear scrap metal = stealing copper from construction sites. Copper plumbing lines, copper in electrical wires, etc. Big thing around here though and may not be there in CA?

Happens all too often here. A relative of mine is an electrician and I hear about it all the time happening on his job sites.

[twall]

Originally Posted by thevineyarder

I apologize, you may be correct. My conclusions were based off articles that stated AGT was accused of the rape charge related to his current girlfriend who was said to be 2 years younger than him. This, however is not true. AGT is 21 (DOB: 3/30/91) and FS is 19 but will turn 20 this year in October. According to her myspace, she turned 18 in 2010. That makes them roughly one and a half years apart in age. So the statutory rape charge was related to someone else... (?)

No, it was related to her. It's in the docs.
She was 7 mos. pregnant and 17 on 6/10. It is against the law in CA to have sex with a minor if you are over 18. The report starts on pg. 53.

http://losaltos.patch.com/articles/v...8#pdf-10030186

[GrainneDhu]

Originally Posted by Lera213

Once the fact is known though you are no longer a victim especially when you go out of you way to defame a missing girl, and stand by that man. If she was a victim she no longer is in my eyes...she now is making choices not as a victim but a co-conspirator. MOO

I know that if my husband were accused of something so horrible, it would take me a lot longer than 3 days to fully accept it. My first instinct and reaction would be to deny it because I love him and trust him.

I posted it before and I still believe it: if I were in her situation, I would probably be making pretty insane posts and accusations. I would probably offend many people, too.

I hope someone would help me, treat me with compassion and respect while I got through the various stages of acceptance. Since I believe I am not different from FS, I am not better than she, I hope the same for her as I do for myself.

[JDB]

Originally Posted by Amster

I'm pretty sure the taxpayers of Calif. will be feeding her babies. Along with other things. Housing, clothing, daycare, health care, etc., etc.

Thanks for hitting a sore spot. She will collect welfare while the federal GOVT cuts off unemployment for people trying to get a job. Sounds fair to me

[gaetanosleuth408]

Not sure if it's been posted yet, but link below.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...bay&id=7173358

Sounds like another victim of ATG. He would have been younger at this time and guess what is RIGHT across the street from this rape site? LIVE OAK High school, where ATG attended before switching to the continuation school. He was slender at that time and the description fits perfectly. He might not have been into killing his victims back then. He was described as english speaking but with somewhat of a hispanic accent.

[SyraKelly]

Jasmine Bobbit-went misssing 5.4.12

[mamamia54]

Originally Posted by gaetanosleuth408

Not sure if it's been posted yet, but link below.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...bay&id=7173358

Sounds like another victim of ATG. He would have been younger at this time and guess what is RIGHT across the street from this rape site? LIVE OAK High school, where ATG attended before switching to the continuation school. He was slender at that time and the description fits perfectly. He might not have been into killing his victims back then. He was described as english speaking but with somewhat of a hispanic accent.

Keeping this one close right now, I have an idea, because this one fits with the attack in 2009 the stun gun attack, if I'm remembering correctly. The only thing that's not usual for him would be the age group, but then how do we know? Just saying. Good find.

[TxLady2]

Originally Posted by thevineyarder

It was the battery charge that was was un-related to FS, not the statutory rape charge. What you said is correct, it stemmed from AGT blurting out that statement which then lead to an investigation and him later being charged (but the prosecution dropped it I believe). It's been stated in various articles that AGT was 18 when he impregnated his girlfriend, not sure how old the girlfriend was but regardless if she was 15 or 16, still illegal. She is a victim in my eyes and i'm sure her parents felt the same. As stated before, I respect anyone who believes otherwise.

How old is this pregnant g/f now, and how old was she when she became pregnant with this 1-1/2 y.o.? Or is the baby closer to 2 yrs. old? It might help to know what their actual ages were at the time. If she was 16 or 17, and the sex was consensual, I don't see her as a victim. JMO. Girls that age are aware of the chances of getting pregnant, and schools give away contraceptives all the time. If she is living with him now and pregnant with another child, I'm sure she doesn't feel like a victim either. When they willingly agree to have sex and have the misfortune to get pregnant, that doesn't change their status, as far as I'm concerned. Legally, maybe but NOT morally. Too many young girls are more than eager to jump in the sack (or the back seat) with guys and then cry rape later. It's crazy how many guys have been convicted and labeled as sex offenders who did nothing more than believe some girl who told them they were at least 18 or older. IMO, 16 or 17 is plenty old enough to know the consequences of having sex. They teach sex education in schools at a very young age these days.
I respect others' opinions as well, and don't mean to offend anyone, this is MOO.

[mamamia54]

Originally Posted by SyraKelly

Jasmine Bobbit-went misssing 5.4.12

The police were using GPS on him at that point? Or am I wrong??

[spoiledmom]

Originally Posted by Lera213

I hear you, I have a son that is a social butterfly on twitter and FB and he is 22 years old. He always post a comment and even his friends don't get it. They are usually vulgar and are lyric's to songs. Even his friends miss it is lyric's and not him actually saying it himself. However I've tried to tell him it looks bad and will stay with him. He doesn't see it yet, most kids especially today's kids live by the hour only. All I have to say is thank goodness I didn't have any girls. I'd lock them up in the house. LMAO

Lucky you! I have three girls and two of them are pre-teens. I'm terrified! Sadly, I have my oldest daughters email connected to my phone so I can read it. It's not to spy on her, it's to spy on any predators that may try to harm her. She's not too happy about the invasion of privacy though.

[SyraKelly]

does anyone know the date of when the 3 children were lured?

[DLynn]

Originally Posted by gaetanosleuth408

Not sure if it's been posted yet, but link below.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...bay&id=7173358

Sounds like another victim of ATG. He would have been younger at this time and guess what is RIGHT across the street from this rape site? LIVE OAK High school, where ATG attended before switching to the continuation school. He was slender at that time and the description fits perfectly. He might not have been into killing his victims back then. He was described as english speaking but with somewhat of a hispanic accent.

And on his MS photos from around that time it shows him and his friends "kicking it" around some newly constructed homes - and the woman that was raped had run to a construction trailer that morning. Wonder if that was same area too where he hung out?

[SyraKelly]

Originally Posted by mamamia54

The police were using GPS on him at that point? Or am I wrong??

I am not sure-but they probably were-

[leighmarker]

Originally Posted by Lera213

I was just reading Sierra's Tweets and to me she mostly was making comments about tv shows she was watching and many of them you would think she was talking to a friend or someone else but it was really commenting on something she saw on TV.

She does have a lot of profanity, and talks of drugs but I've seen for myself that many talk big like that but it is all for show.... to come across cool and not a nerd.

Not sure how much freedom she had to go out and about to have the chance to get high. I think it is more bravdo then anything else.

the ones that stuck out to me were the ones about making her mom mad and was more or less happy mom couldnt tell her to f off (in other terms)
something about liking chris brown and she would let him beat her (private parts) smoking pot etc.
I was very surprised. just wondering who read her tweets and took them to mean something...just saying

[gaetanosleuth408]

Originally Posted by mamamia54

Keeping this one close right now, I have an idea, because this one fits with the attack in 2009 the stun gun attack, if I'm remembering correctly. The only thing that's not usual for him would be the age group, but then how do we know? Just saying. Good find.

Yeah, the age group inconsistencies popped in my mind too. BUT...

There was a 46 year old lady who was attacked in the safeway parking lot the same day as the attack that the Sheriff said he is linked to and a person of interest in. I strongly suspect he was the perp that attacked the 46 yr old lady that same day, so that leads me to believe this could very well have been another of his victims, one that survived.

[SyraKelly]

Originally Posted by leighmarker

the ones that stuck out to me were the ones about making her mom mad and was more or less happy mom couldnt tell her to f off (in other terms)
something about liking chris brown and she would let him beat her (private parts) smoking pot etc.
I was very surprised. just wondering who read her tweets and took them to mean something...just saying

is she the one who said that?Sierra

[gaetanosleuth408]

Originally Posted by mamamia54

The police were using GPS on him at that point? Or am I wrong??

Not sure when they started GPS tracking the vehicles... They identified him as a suspect on the 28th of March but said they didn't seize his vehicle until April 7th (?) IIRC. Could have been any day in between.

[sherbetjello]

Scrap theft is a HUGE issue out here in CA. I mean, at least where I am located.

I just don't see how ATG was able to transport these materials in his Jetta? Some scrap can be rather large, I know copper wires are not, but the higher ticket items are much, much larger.

It's not really economical to just take wiring, I would think, but I am not out stealing it, sooooo....

[SmoothOperator]

Originally Posted by epiphany

Respectfully BBM

Can anyone provide a link that FS's age was 17 when AGT was charged with statutory rape?

This is what I can provide that IMO is more than sufficient evidence of her age(which btw I also believe is why the sex w/a minor charges were never prosecuted)

Below is a link that I posted on page 1 of this thread that is the Gilroy dispatch police records for the first week of March 2012 ..you will see that FS was arrested for petty theft on 3/3/12.. also noted is FS correct and current age of 19..
http://www.gilroydispatch.com/police...9bb30f31a.html

Below is the link to the 62 page court doc in which it states that on the date of the sex w/a minor charge was 6/6/2010..
http://losaltos.patch.com/articles/v...8#pdf-10030186

Therefore if FS is currently 19 years old then IMO it becomes apparent that she was 17 years old when the IMO bs charge of sex with a minor was CHOSEN SOLELY BY THE OFFICER that was at the residence due to an altercation between AGT and an unrelated MALE over the male owing unpaid rent to AGT 's mother(which this battery charge also never prosecuted either) ..the officer was speaking to FS as a witness to the altercation when he realized she was the Gf and was a minor and chose to press charges...not FS or her family.. this charge obviously later dropped. FS was 17 and AGT had just turned 19 three months prior to the date these charges were filed ..

In thoroughly reading the 62 page doc IMO it becomes apparent why the charges were not prosecuted.. as much of a monster I believe AGT to be i had to admit that as far as those specific charges there is very good reason why they never were prosecuted..jmo

So, I don't have one link that states FS was 17 ..but am happy to share the 2 links to the 2 official pieces of info both coming from LE that led me to the conclusion that FS was 17 at the time of the charge. Jmo

HTH

[vega]

Originally Posted by SmoothOperator

And are there scrap yards and such for this depositing of scrap metal ? Are they in the area? Just thinking of regular areas he frequented.. I really believe she will be found close where he was comfortable nd familiar and we know this is the area he'd spent the majority of his life..jmo

And scrap metal handling facilities are typically co-located next to , you guessed it, landfills...

[leighmarker]

Originally Posted by yodle

I was also wondering - how does one get Internet access in an RV park? Someone mentioned a satellite dish in one of the family interviews. If this is how, would it be protected access? Could the detectives who moved in next door (into the RV next door?? that must have been strange) have intercepted whatever signals were going in and out of AT's trailer? Could they have seen something? A digital photo?

Some RV parks have free wi fi, some have it available for purchase for 24 hours or for a week etc. We have verizon MIFI that we can take anywhere (use at home or on trips) also, most smart phones have internet access and I can access hubs wifi with my computer if we dont have the mifi with us.

[SyraKelly]

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Originally Posted by gaetanosleuth408

Not sure when they started GPS tracking the vehicles... They identified him as a suspect on the 28th of March but said they didn't seize his vehicle until April 7th (?) IIRC. Could have been any day in between.

OK-So he is prolly not connected to Jasmine-but... he could have driven some else car

[dluke]

Originally Posted by Whisperer

He did not finish high school at Live Oak. There must have been some kind of problem for him to have to attend a continuation school

Just a note about continuation/credit recovery schools- lots of things can send a kid to continuation. My son went because of a credit deficiency - not good, but had nothing to do with behavior. Once he got his credits up, he went back to the traditional HS. Next year he may end up having to spend part of his senior year back at continuation because he is horrible student. Every kid can't fit the mold of a traditional classroom unfortunately. The worst part is that kids like my son get stuck with kids with "real" issues and/or legal problems.

[JDB]

Originally Posted by SyraKelly

OK-So he is prolly not connected to Jasmine-but he could have driven some else car

I doubt it remember as of 3/28 they had him under 24/7 surveillance even had under cover agent living next door.