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Darlie Routier Darlie Routier is on death row, convicted of murdering her two sons. Darlie claims that an intruder attacked her and the boys and is responsible. Many feel Darlie deserves a new trial. Discuss it here.


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Old 12-11-2004, 12:42 AM
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What do you think? Does this sound like her?

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Narcissistic Personality Disorder Symptoms

The narcissistic personality disorder is one of the top three most difficult personality disorders to treat. It is defined as an ongoing pattern of grandiosity and need for admiration, and a lack of empathy for others. It should be noted that it is three times more common in males than females. These individuals have an obvious self love, and believe they are knowledgeable and indeed expert in a wide variety of areas. They are usually shocked when they are not praised for their efforts. These individuals are preoccupied with success and power. They feel they are gifted and talented. They may make statements like, “I have a photographic memory,” when in reality they do not. They rarely admit to a mistake or wrongdoing. They rarely apologize when the occasion arises. These individuals insist on having the best of everything. They are grossly defensive, and unable to look at themselves objectively. They have an inflated and false sense of entitlement, and lack of sensitivity towards others. They feel they deserve whatever they want or need. These individuals are extremely self-absorbed. If they are giving, they usually give monetarily, and are unable to give emotionally. They are viewed by others as arrogant and snobbish, act condescendingly towards healthcare providers and therapists in the assessment phase. It is also very common for these individuals to act ingratiatingly and very complimentary in the first session, very similar to traits found in sociopathic personality disorder. These individuals are extremely sensitive to criticism, although may not show it outwardly. When their shortcomings are targeted, however, they may appear extremely wounded.
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Old 12-11-2004, 02:31 AM
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Narcissistic Personality Disorder Symptoms

The narcissistic personality disorder is one of the top three most difficult personality disorders to treat. It is defined as an ongoing pattern of grandiosity and need for admiration, and a lack of empathy for others. It should be noted that it is three times more common in males than females. These individuals have an obvious self love, and believe they are knowledgeable and indeed expert in a wide variety of areas. They are usually shocked when they are not praised for their efforts. These individuals are preoccupied with success and power. They feel they are gifted and talented. They may make statements like, “I have a photographic memory,” when in reality they do not. They rarely admit to a mistake or wrongdoing. They rarely apologize when the occasion arises. These individuals insist on having the best of everything. They are grossly defensive, and unable to look at themselves objectively. They have an inflated and false sense of entitlement, and lack of sensitivity towards others. They feel they deserve whatever they want or need. These individuals are extremely self-absorbed. If they are giving, they usually give monetarily, and are unable to give emotionally. They are viewed by others as arrogant and snobbish, act condescendingly towards healthcare providers and therapists in the assessment phase. It is also very common for these individuals to act ingratiatingly and very complimentary in the first session, very similar to traits found in sociopathic personality disorder. These individuals are extremely sensitive to criticism, although may not show it outwardly. When their shortcomings are targeted, however, they may appear extremely wounded.
Ok, am I the only one who thought this also sounded a LOT like President Bush??? Seriously!
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Old 12-11-2004, 09:05 AM
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LOL, Dark Knight -- Political Pavilion for that

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Old 12-11-2004, 10:04 PM
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Old 12-12-2004, 03:43 PM
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Ok, am I the only one who thought this also sounded a LOT like President Bush??? Seriously!
Hahaha! I concur wholeheartedly!
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I know a person who I believe has NPD, and one of the most striking aspects of this syndrome is that they think they are so much smarter than everyone else that they can get away with anything. The woman I know did things that were clearly illegal, but it never even occured to her that she would get caught.
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I know a person who I believe has NPD, and one of the most striking aspects of this syndrome is that they think they are so much smarter than everyone else that they can get away with anything. The woman I know did things that were clearly illegal, but it never even occured to her that she would get caught.

That would explain the birthday party.
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That would explain the birthday party.
What would explain the two hour memorial service beforehand though???????????
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Old 05-08-2005, 10:26 PM
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What would explain the two hour memorial service beforehand though???????????
I don't know what's to explain because, as far as I know, no one has ever seen it. The State was perfectly agreeable to that tape being shown in court, but for some reason the defense didn't want to show it.

Considering her calm, carefree, who gives a chit demeanor afterward at the birthday party, I can understand why they'd want to keep it under wraps.
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Old 05-08-2005, 11:05 PM
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I don't know what's to explain because, as far as I know, no one has ever seen it. The State was perfectly agreeable to that tape being shown in court, but for some reason the defense didn't want to show it.
I don't know who made the most mistakes - the court reporter, or MULDER.
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Old 05-09-2005, 09:36 AM
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What do you think? Does this sound like her?

From:http://www.peaceandhealing.com/perso...c_symptoms.asp

Narcissistic Personality Disorder Symptoms

The narcissistic personality disorder is one of the top three most difficult personality disorders to treat. It is defined as an ongoing pattern of grandiosity and need for admiration, and a lack of empathy for others. It should be noted that it is three times more common in males than females. These individuals have an obvious self love, and believe they are knowledgeable and indeed expert in a wide variety of areas. They are usually shocked when they are not praised for their efforts. These individuals are preoccupied with success and power. They feel they are gifted and talented. They may make statements like, “I have a photographic memory,” when in reality they do not. They rarely admit to a mistake or wrongdoing. They rarely apologize when the occasion arises. These individuals insist on having the best of everything. They are grossly defensive, and unable to look at themselves objectively. They have an inflated and false sense of entitlement, and lack of sensitivity towards others. They feel they deserve whatever they want or need. These individuals are extremely self-absorbed. If they are giving, they usually give monetarily, and are unable to give emotionally. They are viewed by others as arrogant and snobbish, act condescendingly towards healthcare providers and therapists in the assessment phase. It is also very common for these individuals to act ingratiatingly and very complimentary in the first session, very similar to traits found in sociopathic personality disorder. These individuals are extremely sensitive to criticism, although may not show it outwardly. When their shortcomings are targeted, however, they may appear extremely wounded.
And there's the histrionic personality disorder as well. These go hand in hand.

A pervasive pattern of excessive emotionality and attention seeking, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

-is uncomfortable in situations in which he or she is not the center of attention
-interaction with others is often characterized by inappropriate sexually seductive or provocative behavior
-displays rapidly shifting and shallow expression of emotions
-consistently uses physical appearance to draw attention to self
-has a style of speech that is excessively impressionistic and lacking in detail
-shows self-dramatization, theatricality, and exaggerated expression of emotion
-is suggestible, i.e., easily influenced by others or circumstances
considers relationships to be more intimate than they actually are
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Old 05-12-2005, 12:26 AM
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Something to Think About For Sure

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What do you think? Does this sound like her?

From:http://www.peaceandhealing.com/perso...c_symptoms.asp

Narcissistic Personality Disorder Symptoms

The narcissistic personality disorder is one of the top three most difficult personality disorders to treat. It is defined as an ongoing pattern of grandiosity and need for admiration, and a lack of empathy for others. It should be noted that it is three times more common in males than females. These individuals have an obvious self love, and believe they are knowledgeable and indeed expert in a wide variety of areas. They are usually shocked when they are not praised for their efforts. These individuals are preoccupied with success and power. They feel they are gifted and talented. They may make statements like, “I have a photographic memory,” when in reality they do not. They rarely admit to a mistake or wrongdoing. They rarely apologize when the occasion arises. These individuals insist on having the best of everything. They are grossly defensive, and unable to look at themselves objectively. They have an inflated and false sense of entitlement, and lack of sensitivity towards others. They feel they deserve whatever they want or need. These individuals are extremely self-absorbed. If they are giving, they usually give monetarily, and are unable to give emotionally. They are viewed by others as arrogant and snobbish, act condescendingly towards healthcare providers and therapists in the assessment phase. It is also very common for these individuals to act ingratiatingly and very complimentary in the first session, very similar to traits found in sociopathic personality disorder. These individuals are extremely sensitive to criticism, although may not show it outwardly. When their shortcomings are targeted, however, they may appear extremely wounded.
I think it sounds more like Darin. In all my reading about Darlie, I have never had the impression that she was insensitive or that she couldn't give emotionally. I think she disassociated from the boys, but I have never thought it was because she was narcissistic. On the other hand, I can't deny that this particular quote from the above definitely fits into my picture of her. "These individuals insist on having the best of everything. They are grossly defensive, and unable to look at themselves objectively. They have an inflated and false sense of entitlement,..... . They feel they deserve whatever they want or need. These individuals are extremely self-absorbed."
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Old 05-12-2005, 12:36 AM
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That would explain the birthday party.
I have always figured that it never occurred to her that anyone would question her motives about that. That's why she put on such a show. I think she thought it was PC in the liberal world and that everyone would understand and agree with her. Kind of like Scott Peterson trying to tell people Laci was okay with his affair with Amber. Darlie was trying to convince us that the boys led a full and happy life while on earth and that they wouldn't want her to spend her life grieving over them so it was okay for her to go on with life as usual. Put that behind us and now let's see what is on the horizon. She must have been blown away when she found out it wasn't going to be bright lights, fame, and fortune.
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Old 05-12-2005, 12:40 AM
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And there's the histrionic personality disorder as well. These go hand in hand.

A pervasive pattern of excessive emotionality and attention seeking, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

-is uncomfortable in situations in which he or she is not the center of attention
-interaction with others is often characterized by inappropriate sexually seductive or provocative behavior
-displays rapidly shifting and shallow expression of emotions
-consistently uses physical appearance to draw attention to self
-has a style of speech that is excessively impressionistic and lacking in detail
-shows self-dramatization, theatricality, and exaggerated expression of emotion
-is suggestible, i.e., easily influenced by others or circumstances
considers relationships to be more intimate than they actually are
Darlie seems to have more of these than the narcissistic patterns, though I would say she definitely has some.
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Old 05-12-2005, 12:50 AM
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What Does the Memorial Service Mean?

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What would explain the two hour memorial service beforehand though???????????
What's to explain? You do what you have to. The memorial service was probably not her idea to begin with. If it was, she may have really felt a need to express what she felt she should be feeling, rather than what she was actually feeling. Or maybe she is one of those people who can push anything negative so far away that she didn't believe she was guilty of any wrongdoing. Her actions at the birthday party seem to be screaming loud and clear that she should not be expected to grieve, that she had the kids' permission to go on with her life happily, and it was all justified by her view that they would be waiting for her in heaven so she really hadn't lost anything. I don't think a two hour memorial service makes up for her insensitivity at the birthday party. I don't think a 5 hour memorial service could do that either. The point is she shouldn't have been showing any insensitivity at all if she was actually grieving.

However, I gotta say that I have never put much focus on the birthday party or the memorial service because I don't think either tells us much. It is her interview afterwards that I find most interesting and telling about where she is really coming from.
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I don't know who made the most mistakes - the court reporter, or MULDER.
Well, neither were in areas of much significance. The transcript was completed by another court reporter. I can't think of anything Mulder did that would have gotten her off if he had done it another way. Can you?
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Ok, am I the only one who thought this also sounded a LOT like President Bush??? Seriously!



lmao rofl..... DKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

IT sounds like CANADIAN POLITICAL LEADERS!!!!!!!!!! HAVE YOU NOT HEARD ABOUT THE OVER THROW OF THE LIBERAL PARTY AND THEY REFUSE TO LEAVE???? WHY???? BECAUSE THEY STOLE A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY!!!??

LMAO..... AT LEAST Your President would probably LEAVE when voted out!
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lmao rofl..... DKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

IT sounds like CANADIAN POLITICAL LEADERS!!!!!!!!!! HAVE YOU NOT HEARD ABOUT THE OVER THROW OF THE LIBERAL PARTY AND THEY REFUSE TO LEAVE???? WHY???? BECAUSE THEY STOLE A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY!!!??

LMAO..... AT LEAST Your President would probably LEAVE when voted out!
hahahahaa! I wouldn't be too sure about that. I think he likes being president. hahahahaha!
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hahahahaa! I wouldn't be too sure about that. I think he likes being president. hahahahaha!
At least your Pres is only allowed 2 terms.... Our leader can go on forever.
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Old 05-13-2005, 11:26 AM
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What would explain the two hour memorial service beforehand though???????????

Would it explain why she invited the news crew to film her little romp at the gravesite instead of inviting them to film the memorial service?

I think that was the more approiate gathering. Just my opinion though and nothing more.
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And there's the histrionic personality disorder as well. These go hand in hand.

A pervasive pattern of excessive emotionality and attention seeking, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

-is uncomfortable in situations in which he or she is not the center of attention
-interaction with others is often characterized by inappropriate sexually seductive or provocative behavior
-displays rapidly shifting and shallow expression of emotions
-consistently uses physical appearance to draw attention to self
-has a style of speech that is excessively impressionistic and lacking in detail
-shows self-dramatization, theatricality, and exaggerated expression of emotion
-is suggestible, i.e., easily influenced by others or circumstances
considers relationships to be more intimate than they actually are
Hmm, good find Cami.
I think Darlie showed most of these characteristcs at one time or another.
Her little "Rape" scene years before at the party is a good example.
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Hmm, good find Cami.
I think Darlie showed most of these characteristcs at one time or another.
Her little "Rape" scene years before at the party is a good example.

You can only imagine what she "pulled" along this vein over the years that her family and friends didnt' testify to.
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Hmm, good find Cami.
I think Darlie showed most of these characteristcs at one time or another.
Her little "Rape" scene years before at the party is a good example.
Yes, and so is her silly string party. It's a perfect example of HPD.
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At least your Pres is only allowed 2 terms.... Our leader can go on forever.
Yeah, we thought we'd never get rid of Chretein. Now we are probably going to another election next month on the non-confidence vote. Harper is determined to bring Martin down. Maybe we should allow the PQs to run the country. S'imaginer cela! Meilleur commencer à pratiquer mon français.
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At least your Pres is only allowed 2 terms.... Our leader can go on forever.
Isn't that a little bit like having a king?

Not that kings are all bad. I am just glad right now that we do have term limits. Only so much damage can be done that way.
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