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Old 06-06-2012, 02:30 PM
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Poor Luka...he's frightened...his new identity? VICTIM>

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As a criminal investigation major I agree you may have a legitimate reason for viewing the tape. I'm a Nurse and contributing to the degradation of a victim isn't in my job description. I've had the written report and know enough about physiology and anatomy to not need a slideshow or video on what damage an icepick can do or what masturbation with a severed limb might look like. Being creative, I can use my imagination.
In a market economy, if there was no market there would be no need for the product. Obviously there's a huge market of criminal investigators satisfying a demand for educational material depicting snuff. As long as there's a market I guess we can expect a constant need for new even more creative gorier gore.

Regarding the Best Gore site. I've heard and read his justifications and I'm calling BS on him. If he's providing an educational service then people should be required to register and verify their age before accessing his educational material. But no, that would cut down on the number of hits he gets and the revenue his 'public service' provides.

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I would be in favor of the videos only to be available to those studying law, investigation, etc...however, I know that will not happen.
There's no need for teenagers or weirdos to be viewing it.
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Old 06-06-2012, 02:32 PM
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Poor Luka...he's frightened...his new identity? VICTIM>

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06...medium=twitter
he should be....he is a walking target in just about any prison....for so many reasons...
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Old 06-06-2012, 02:33 PM
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i dont think the meaning was "those who dont want to watch it" nor was it meant to offend anyone here...

i read numerous comments here and other places where people admitted they were naive to the evils that happen in this world....

i have a friend whom i was sort of discussing this case with and she was SHOCKED that things like this happened in the world.

so in reality, there are a load of people who truly do not realize what evil lurks out there.....
To be fair though, you just have to read or watch the news to realise that these things happen in the world. Viewing the video isn't imperative to understanding that there are some truly twisted individuals out there.
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Old 06-06-2012, 02:33 PM
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the problem is...the deep web and torrents. that video can never be removed....the deep web is alive and active and this video and similar will be sent all around the world. then there are the people who have downloaded..

once something has been posted online, the chance of it ever going away is nearly impossible w/out 100% censorship and an army of people working to remove what they want removed....it would be never ending....

that is why its always a good rule of thumb that if you dont want what you post ever coming back to haunt you, keep your thoughts to yourself....
That was the "Porsche Girl"..but it wasn't a video from what I understand it was pictures. The young girl got into an argument with her parents and grabbed her dads keys and took the 150k porsche up to 150 mph and crashed it into a concrete toll both. The pictures were leaked and all over the internet. The worst part was some a**hats sent them to her father with the title "Hi Daddy..I miss you" or something of the like..horrible..and heartbreaking.. I don't have a specific link..but google porsche girl and you will find the stories and reports.
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Old 06-06-2012, 02:33 PM
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I understand that but who are the people who get to make these decisions about what is morally right for the rest of us. Is there some group of people we can trust to make these decisions and know they will make the right ones each time. I think we right now we call them "congress" and by my math they get it WRONG 9 times out of 10.

The point is what is moral for you may not be moral for someone else and nobody has a right to tell others what is good or bad for them, people can make those decisions themselves. Read the book 1984 and see how you feel about having a Ministry of Morality making decisions for everyone about what they can watch, read, SEE, HEAR, taste, all of it decided by some group of people who we are just supposed to trust, why? JUST BECAUSE.


You also seem to assume the only reason to watch the video is PLEASURE OR AMUSEMENT but there are many, many other reasons for watching that video, be creative and you will realize that.
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I don't think anyone here is presuming that people here are watching the Jun Lin murder video with 'pleasure or amusement', although I still can't comprehend why any rational person would choose to view a snuff film and then openly discuss it frame by frame.

You've suggested being 'creative' in order to find the reason that people are choosing to watch the video. Part of my living is made by my creative thinking and I'm still failing to see how viewing the video, knowing full well what it depicts, can be excused by anyone other than LE and the Crown.
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Montreal police confirmed Tuesday that some body parts are still missing from Lin's remains, but authorities did not believe they were in the postal system.
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Old 06-06-2012, 02:37 PM
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Poor Luka...he's frightened...his new identity? VICTIM>

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06...medium=twitter
the inmates probably do wanna beat his ass.. not because of what they've heard about him.. but because hes such an arrogant prick.. i hear germany is hardly paying attention to him because they had a grizzly murder of their own..
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Old 06-06-2012, 02:38 PM
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I hope I didn't step on your toes, but it bothers me deeply when someone says, "there is no use in this for me, so there should be no use in it for anyone else."

The world is scary. The things that happen in it are scary. The people that allow themselves to see that and learn to function with that knowledge are the ones that are better prepared for evil when they do come face to face with it. It is my personal belief, nothing more, and no more valid than anyone else's beliefs to the contrary, but I'm still going to defend it.

I hope I didn't seem to be trying to fight your battles or speak for you, you are perfectly capable of doing all that on your own.
You didnt step on any toes, your voice is as important as anyone else and I am glad you took the time to share your thoughts on the very important matter of internet censorship, a matter of which I am personally fighting with every resource possible.
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Old 06-06-2012, 02:41 PM
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I don't think anyone here is presuming that people here are watching the Jun Lin murder video with 'pleasure or amusement', although I still can't comprehend why any rational person would choose to view a snuff film and then openly discuss it frame by frame.

You've suggested being 'creative' in order to find the reason that people are choosing to watch the video. Part of my living is made by my creative thinking and I'm still failing to see how viewing the video, knowing full well what it depicts, can be excused by anyone other than LE and the Crown.
Several fine members have already listed many of the countless reasons and I do not wish to continue to beat a dead horse, my intent is NOT to try and argue this point to get everyone to agree with me, I do not care who agrees with me, my only purpose is to suggest there are other ways of looking at this issue beyond those which I feel are reactionary and emotional.
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Old 06-06-2012, 02:41 PM
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No offense intended but your last paragraph went a bit too far off the deep end. They never said it was educational, the website owner did and that website is intended for adults not elementary school children.

Adults have the right to watch/read/listen to what they want a child should never be subjected to anything like this.
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That is the problem with allowing it to be a on a website that is freely accessed - children certainly may be subjected to it. Not every child's internet use is monitored. Many folks here found it easily, so I have to believe that a child could, too. And IMO, that is wrong. All just MOO
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Was just going to post that! lol...maybe something bad happened to him that year...he would have been 5...or maybe no meaning other than the songs themselves..
Just to clarify--my previous post was wrong. I had thought he went to live with his grandmother at age 5.

I found the original posting on a psychforum, the last one on the page, under "cutelittlenemo" (which I believe has already been stated that it was one of LM's aliases online).
He states that "My mother had me when she was 16, I am a male. I lived the majority of my childhood with my grandmother. My mother was always stubborn and she married my father and had me without telling her family. When I was 5 she unexpectedly came and took me away from my home with my grandmother. From that moment on my life was hell."

http://answers.psychcentral.com/Depr...to-change-it-/

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I personally do not like the fact that history books show jewish people piled up atfter being killed in death camps but those pictures are an important part of our history and if there is one thing I am FOR it is the documentation of our lives and the things we do BOTH GOOD AND BAD for future generations to study and learn from. While this video is indeed disgusting and it challenges us in ways few things ever have it is important, for the sake of POSTERITY ALONE that we document it and make it available for future generations to study so as to prevent it from continuing to happen again
Respectfully snipped by me ...

I absolutely disagree. Teens and youth today are all about outdoing each other - coming up with the next extreme that outdoes the last one (just like reality TV). I see no historical value in memorializing a murderer like Eric Newman by ensuring that video of his murderous acts are preserved. I think everything he is, stands for and produces should be wiped from history in the same way that Russell William's history was wiped out. All that remains of Russell William's history is documentary regarding his murders ... none of his video is necessary. There is absolutely nothing similar between Eric Newman and the murder of 6 million Jewish people during WW2.

Case in point ... have you ever heard of Marcel Petiot? His actions were horrific ... but video of his actions are not needed to ensure that people never forget who he was.

It's D-Day today ...
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he should be....he is a walking target in just about any prison....for so many reasons...
Given his known support of white supremacist propaganda, if he spoke German I'm sure he wouldn't have a problem connecting with like-minded individuals in the Berlin jail... Oh yeah, that's right, he doesn't speak German and he probably can't pull off his malarkey when he isn't hiding behind a keyboard... Poor thing, if he never hired that "crazy manager" in the first place, none of this would be happening to him...
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That is the problem with allowing it to be a on a website that is freely accessed - children certainly may be subjected to it. Not every child's internet use is monitored. Many folks here found it easily, so I have to believe that a child could, too. And IMO, that is wrong. All just MOO

again, we are talking about responsibility. if a child's internet is not monitored, that is on the parents. there is PLENTY of stuff out there that is not appropriate for children. just going to google images and you can find a crapload of it...is it appropriate for a child to stumble upon penthouse or any beastiality website or any other porn site? no. but they can easily do it. a kid types in XXX by pounding on a keyboard, nothing but porn will pop up.

have a teen and they come across a site that says..............ENTER YOUR YEAR OF BIRTH.....all a teen has to do is make up a year and wala they are in.

so what is the solution? ban everything that one does not agree with? ban children from the internet? ban irresponsible people from having children?

when im around my friends with kids i NEVER discipline their kids or tell her that i think giving her fat kid a can of soda and full bag of chips is BAD....that is on them...my moral belief that fat kids are a result of lazy abusive parents because they let their kids eat crap all day and sit in front of a TV is MY moral opinion and i have no say in how they raise their kids. eh...beating a dead horse......

again, i respect everyone's opinions and everyone is entitled to their beliefs. i just dont want anyone telling me what i can and cannot view, read, listen to, etc....
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Poor Luka...he's frightened...his new identity? VICTIM>

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Controversial opinion here.

Do I feel sorry for Magnotta? Yes.

Do I think he came across as friendly to his lawyer? Yes

Do I think he should be locked up forever?: Absolutely.

Here are the reasons why I do and do not feel sorry for him:

- He is now cut off from his internet world which was the only world he could really exist in, and is scared. The fact that he seemed scared during the flight as well as in Paris and Berlin would witness that. As would the fact that prison guards in Berlin have described him as 'meek'.

-He needs to be locked up forever. As much as I feel sorry for him (and I do) I feel so much more empathy for his victim, poor Justin. Justin by all accounts was looking for companionship and love, and this is what he stumbled across. Words fail me.

I hope people don't take this post the wrong way. Magnotta has to, and will be locked up for life. But this is such a complex case, the likes of wich we haven't seen for a very long time.
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No offense intended but your last paragraph went a bit too far off the deep end. They never said it was educational, the website owner did and that website is intended for adults not elementary school children.

Adults have the right to watch/read/listen to what they want a child should never be subjected to anything like this.

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The entire argument is off the deep end IMO.
I don't believe every adult does have the right to watch/ read or listen to whatever they want.
I'm sure half the medical students in Canada would love to watch Mrs. Jones have her double lung transplant but unless Mrs. Jones agrees to allow them to have that learning opportunity at her expense, they're ***** out of luck. Students who have a legitimate reason for watching and participating in her care, who have been vetted by the professionals assigned to her care, do get to participate and observe and patients are advised of this.

Wanting access to something and having a right to it are two very different things. I personally believe the victims rights outweigh ours.
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Given his known support of white supremacist propaganda, if he spoke German I'm sure he wouldn't have a problem connecting with like-minded individuals in the Berlin jail... Oh yeah, that's right, he doesn't speak German and he probably can't pull off his malarkey when he isn't hiding behind a keyboard... Poor thing, if he never hired that "crazy manager" in the first place, none of this would be happening to him...
I imagine some of this is 'lawyer speak' for get him out of Germany QUICK so I don't have to respresent him!!!
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That is the problem with allowing it to be a on a website that is freely accessed - children certainly may be subjected to it. Not every child's internet use is monitored. Many folks here found it easily, so I have to believe that a child could, too. And IMO, that is wrong. All just MOO
I get what your saying GT and agree that children's internet use, but my comment was more in response as to how it would be remiss for the principle of the schools not to show the video to the children as people are stating it's educational.
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Hi all, long time reader but first time poster. I didn't feel I had much to contribute until now.

Firstly, I just watched the 11:15 am Montreal press conference on and here are some points I jotted down. I am waiting to be added into the forum so these may have been posted by the time I am activated, excuse me if they are I am going to cut and paste from my notepad when I am activated. (its been more than 3 hours to get activated so I am sure these are up now but going to post anyway)

From the Press Conference:

-Packages in vancouver originated from montreal, different post office. the outside packaging (possibly labels?) was very similar

-They won't give the total number of body parts because the scene was so greusome but will say that the head is now still missing and that is the only one part they are looking for.

-A false special fx foot was found in montreal raising copycat fears, it was discovered it is a movie quality prop and is definitely a fake but very convincing

- People in montreal trying to raise money for Lin's family to help them out in montreal and have places to stay while there. The family will be meeting with police today.

- Confirmed that Magnotta spent time on american west coast and are currently trying to link him to vancouver

-There are notes in the packages both new and the original ones sent to ottawa, I do not believe this was mentioned previously.

-I believe they said the genatalia was on the scene and not removed. I can't be sure because a reporter not with the station i was watching asked the question so i couldn't hear their wording but the officer said "no we are not looking for that, that was found on the scene and was not removed" but it could have been anything.

-Police in no rush to bring LM back, paperwork is underway and montreal police are using the time to focus on the ongoing investigation

Secondly, I'm in Ontario area and not surpised to have a bit of a 6 degrees to the suspect. I was surfing facebook and found this convo under a post by a friend about the case. I have taken names out since they are friends of my friend and not me,

"Mr.X: He went to my elementary school and jr. high.
Mr. Y: You remember him being a weird person at all?
Mr.X: He came to my school in grade 5, but he had been home schooled up until then. He was really effeminate and quiet and got picked on a lot because he only hung out with girls. Apparently he didn't have the best situation at home (surprise, surprise), but I've only read about that stuff recently. I never really spoke too much too much while we were in school together."

So that seems to support a lot of what we knew about his school days at least (the homeschooling, the antisocial stuff, bullying).
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Poor Luka...he's frightened...his new identity? VICTIM>

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06...medium=twitter
I just started reading about this case and am sick to my stomach and in my heart. This sick, evil, demon possessed, scum of the earth, poor excuse for a human being commits such inhuman and unthinkable horrific acts against others, and now he's fearing for his own safety, poor, poor thing.
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I understand that but who are the people who get to make these decisions about what is morally right for the rest of us. Is there some group of people we can trust to make these decisions and know they will make the right ones each time. I think we right now we call them "congress" and by my math they get it WRONG 9 times out of 10.

The point is what is moral for you may not be moral for someone else and nobody has a right to tell others what is good or bad for them, people can make those decisions themselves. Read the book 1984 and see how you feel about having a Ministry of Morality making decisions for everyone about what they can watch, read, SEE, HEAR, taste, all of it decided by some group of people who we are just supposed to trust, why? JUST BECAUSE.


You also seem to assume the only reason to watch the video is PLEASURE OR AMUSEMENT but there are many, many other reasons for watching that video, be creative and you will realize that.
How would you feel about video of the murders of Leslie Mahaffy, Kristen French, Jessica Lloyd, or Cpl. Marie-France Comeau plastered all over the internet? It's sickening and it would be devastating for the family to have that video circulating so everyone could watch the torturous final hours of their loved ones. What happens when a 12 year old accidentally stumbles onto video of actual torture and murder? It is not censorship to keep video of murders off the internet ... in my opinion, it is common decency.

One thing I know for sure ... the murderers would like nothing better than to know that their videos of the torture and murder of innocent people are all over the internet.
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I don't see the evil in his pictures post arrest. I don't see anything. I think without someone to mimic and an idol to imitate, Luka will turn out to be quite the blob. Not really any real personality of his own to be seen.

It cracks me up that his lawyer says he is nice and polite and looks nothing like a psychopath. There's a video she should watch..
I wonder what she thinks a psychopath looks like. i hope that no one is fooled or charmed by the act.
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I don't see the evil in his pictures post arrest. I don't see anything. I think without someone to mimic and an idol to imitate, Luka will turn out to be quite the blob. Not really any real personality of his own to be seen.

It cracks me up that his lawyer says he is nice and polite and looks nothing like a psychopath. There's a video she should watch..
I wonder what she thinks a psychopath looks like. i hope that no one is fooled or charmed by the act.
Yeah, Ted Bundy was quite handsome and a real charmer.
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