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be tried for murder. 1 0.35%
be tried for manslaugter. 3 1.06%
be given probation. 9 3.18%
be given a medal. 128 45.23%
know he did his best to protect his child and move on with his life. A medal isn't necessary. 142 50.18%
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:46 PM
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I am pretty sure that because of "stand your ground" he can use deadly force to prevent forcible felony.
So if situation is as described I don't think he will be charged.

My thoughts exactly.
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:00 AM
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I'd STILL be whaling on the dude....
Best post ever!!!! And, yes... I would be still inflicting just enough pain to hurt this W@#%#$ but not enough to kill him yet, death is too easy!


I love what this man did = it says dont #$%% with my family !!!!


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Old 06-12-2012, 12:17 AM
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I see someone voted "manslaughter" and 4 voted "probation". I would really like to know the reasoning behind those votes, particularly the "manslaughter" vote. Anyone brave enough to explain their vote of either of these I would love to hear for discussion purposes.
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:19 AM
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I don't think that he'll face trial. The crime was commited in the man's home against his daughter. IIRC Texas has the castle domain doctrine. If IIRC that protects him from having charges filed against him.

If it had been a state without such a law then I would have said not to try him for murder but for manslaughter. The reason I say that is because in a state without that law they have to address the death of anyone at the hands of another person. I wouldn't want to see this man face murder charges for defending and protecting his daughter.

Do I think he deserves a medal? I think that he has a very lucky little girl who knows that her Dad will do anything to protect her and keep her safe. That is worth more than any medal or parade.

I can't imagine that this isn't causing him a lot of inner pain. He was forced into the positon that he had to protect his child and by doing so he killed another man. For some reason I don't think he's celebrating.

I'm ambivalent about the death of the molester. JMHO.

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Old 06-12-2012, 12:22 AM
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I see someone voted "manslaughter" and 4 voted "probation". I would really like to know the reasoning behind those votes, particularly the "manslaughter" vote. Anyone brave enough to explain their vote of either of these I would love to hear for discussion purposes.
I explaned my vote for manslaughter above. It was for if he had done this in a state without the castle domain law. I don't think that a state without that law would just not address the killing of another person. Regardless if he was molesting a child or not it would have gone to trial. I do not think he would deserve a conviction of manslaughter. I am confident that if he were taken to trial he would walk out a free man. 100% confident.

I kind of found the use of the word "brave enough" to be confrontational. But maybe that's just me.
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Asked whether they would press charges against the father, the sheriff responded, "You have a right to defend your daughter. He acted in defense of his third person. Once the investigation is completed we will submit it to the district attorney who then submits it to the grand jury, who will decide if they will indict him."


IMO Instead of a Grand Jury this Father should get a parade!God only knows how many future victims have been saved,and also any other children he may have been victimizing right now.

ETA Am I wrong for smiling while reading this article? .................................................. ..Nope IMO this should happen to all abusers of children.So sick of pervs getting slap on wrist and wind up having many victims over their lifetime.IMO This is Justice!
NO, in fact the first place I looked for this thread was the "News that makes you smile" forum.

Standing ovation to the father!! I love Texas justice!! Unfortunately, where I'm from (Ontario, Canada) the father would likely be sent to jail.
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:33 AM
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I explaned my vote for manslaughter above. It was for if he had done this in a state without the castle domain law. I don't think that a state without that law would just not address the killing of another person. Regardless if he was molesting a child or not it would have gone to trial. I do not think he would deserve a conviction of manslaughter. I am confident that if he were taken to trial he would walk out a free man. 100% confident.

I kind of found the use of the word "brave enough" to be confrontational. But maybe that's just me.
Unsure if original intent was directed to be confrontational, however, I appreciate your explanation!

My only argument will be this: every state should have the castle domain law! If I can't protect my family then what next?
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:34 AM
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NO, in fact the first place I looked for this thread was the "News that makes you smile" forum.

Standing ovation to the father!! I love Texas justice!! Unfortunately, where I'm from (Ontario, Canada) the father would likely be sent to jail.
BBM yes!!! I have been smiling ever since I read it also!
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I explaned my vote for manslaughter above. It was for if he had done this in a state without the castle domain law. I don't think that a state without that law would just not address the killing of another person. Regardless if he was molesting a child or not it would have gone to trial. I do not think he would deserve a conviction of manslaughter. I am confident that if he were taken to trial he would walk out a free man. 100% confident.

I kind of found the use of the word "brave enough" to be confrontational. But maybe that's just me.
Hey Kat, I saw your post and thanked it, after I had posted. I think we may have been posting at around the same time. Anyhow I in no way meant "brave enough" to be confrontational, and sorry you took it that way. I am not sure what wording would sound better. I just meant that with the vast majority voting "give him a medal" it would take someone pretty brave to post the reasoning behind their vote. I liked your reasoning and glad you explained it. Again, sorry that came across as confrontational.
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:43 AM
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Old 06-12-2012, 01:45 AM
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Hey Kat, I saw your post and thanked it, after I had posted. I think we may have been posting at around the same time. Anyhow I in no way meant "brave enough" to be confrontational, and sorry you took it that way. I am not sure what wording would sound better. I just meant that with the vast majority voting "give him a medal" it would take someone pretty brave to post the reasoning behind their vote. I liked your reasoning and glad you explained it. Again, sorry that came across as confrontational.
Hi Angel. I didn't take offense or anything I just thought at the time it was can of like "draw your guns partner" lol.

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Old 06-12-2012, 02:07 AM
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I voted give him probation, just because maybe someone will think something has to be done, so just make sure he is held accountable if something else were to happen Not likely in this case.

I personally would like to give him a big hug for making sure his daughter was defended when she was too little to do it herself. And from the report i saw on the local news, the people in his town think they would have done what he did!
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Old 06-12-2012, 02:11 AM
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I don't think that he'll face trial. The crime was commited in the man's home against his daughter. IIRC Texas has the castle domain doctrine. If IIRC that protects him from having charges filed against him.

If it had been a state without such a law then I would have said not to try him for murder but for manslaughter. The reason I say that is because in a state without that law they have to address the death of anyone at the hands of another person. I wouldn't want to see this man face murder charges for defending and protecting his daughter.

Do I think he deserves a medal? I think that he has a very lucky little girl who knows that her Dad will do anything to protect her and keep her safe. That is worth more than any medal or parade.

I can't imagine that this isn't causing him a lot of inner pain. He was forced into the positon that he had to protect his child and by doing so he killed another man. For some reason I don't think he's celebrating.

I'm ambivalent about the death of the molester. JMHO.

(FWIW, I am a survivor).
i think he just hit the guy until he was sure he wasn't going to get up and impede his removing his baby girl from the situation. i don't think he thought he was killing him. just making sure he wouldn't get up until he could get her out of there safely and call LE. jmo
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There's no poll option for what I wanted to vote for - nothing should happen to the father and the family should be given privacy to get on with their lives. He was within his rights to protect his daughter IMO, and shouldn't face charges but the medal option is a little too close to celebrating a violent death. A justifiable violent death, yes, and one that I'm not shedding any tears over, but still...there's something a little ghoulish about celebrating it.
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You guys are assuming of course that the victim actually WAS molesting this guy's daughter, and he isn't just saying this to justify the killing.
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Unsure if original intent was directed to be confrontational, however, I appreciate your explanation!

My only argument will be this: every state should have the castle domain law! If I can't protect my family then what next?
I think every state has a version of that. I'm not positive though.

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You guys are assuming of course that the victim actually WAS molesting this guy's daughter, and he isn't just saying this to justify the killing.
The little girl was taken to the hospital, the Sheriff said the father was very upset he killed a man, and nothing has come out to dispute any of this, so far. I think it probably went down the way it's described. JMO
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I'm not assuming this happened - this news came after the child went to the hospital and LE investigated. It appears to be LE's version that the dead guy was molesting the child.

I don't find the dead guy to be a victim either - he died while committing a crime.
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...He said a grand jury will decide what, if any, charges the father will face.

That's how it should be, IMO. Let a grand jury decide. IMO, no killing should circumvent a grand jury. Cops shouldn't be deciding on their own. if things are as they said, then I don't think the grand jury will indict.
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This father only did what every one of us and probably nearly every parent on the planet SAYS they would do. One less baby raper...I really can't be sorry about that. And as for the father being remorseful....doubt it. The article says he is, and for his own well-being it would be appropriate to ACT remorseful, but I kinda doubt remorse is what he's feeling. He is probably sick that his daughter had to watch him kill someone though. That would be hard to live with. But seriously, would I be remorseful? I highly doubt it.

This kind of protective instinct is what parents are supposed to possess! Look at any animal other than human. If a child is threatened, the parent kicks butt. I don't know why we read about so many parents on here who don't lift a finger to protect their children.

Give him a medal and advertise it well. Maybe the next pedo will think twice about messing with someone else's little girl.
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while i agree this guy should be given a medal i also think they need to make sure that people know this isn't the correct way to handle something like this. it seems the guy had no choice but to respond instantly. i totally understand that. but others need to know that IF at all possible it can be handled by having LE taking care of it, do so.

i feel for this father and his daughter. i was in similar situation when my oldest daughter was molested at 5. that was the hardest day in my life. i left my kids with their father and while i was gone another friend came over and ex hubby had a chance to go to the casino in atlantic city. this was back when they were first built. he left the girls with another friend of ours we had known for years. when i came home i was walking up the path to the door and could barely take each step. something felt wrong, it was like you could cut the air with a knife. i quietly went in the house and called out to my hubby...thinking he was there, not knowing he went out. our friend opened the bathroom door and slipped my daughter out through the door. something didn't feel right to me. when he came out i had to act like everything was okay and i didn't suspect anything. i knew i had to talk to my daughter and couldn't until the next morning. i also knew i had to keep him there so i knew where he was. when hubby came home i couldn't even tell him because i knew he would have handled it the way this guy did.

the next morning i walked my daughter to school and talked with her found out what happened and promptly went to police station and told them. they arrested him.

i've left some details out because even now its still hard to think about and also because this post is long enough.

my point IS, i was able to handle it differently...i do not blame anyone for not being able to handle things the way i did. believe me i wanted to beat the guy within every inch of his life.
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This father only did what every one of us and probably nearly every parent on the planet SAYS they would do. One less baby raper...I really can't be sorry about that. And as for the father being remorseful....doubt it. The article says he is, and for his own well-being it would be appropriate to ACT remorseful, but I kinda doubt remorse is what he's feeling. He is probably sick that his daughter had to watch him kill someone though. That would be hard to live with. But seriously, would I be remorseful? I highly doubt it.

This kind of protective instinct is what parents are supposed to possess! Look at any animal other than human. If a child is threatened, the parent kicks butt. I don't know why we read about so many parents on here who don't lift a finger to protect their children.

Give him a medal and advertise it well. Maybe the next pedo will think twice about messing with someone else's little girl.
I find it easy to believe that he'd be remorseful. Killing another human being isn't an easy thing (mentally) to do. JMO
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...He said a grand jury will decide what, if any, charges the father will face.

That's how it should be, IMO. Let a grand jury decide. IMO, no killing should circumvent a grand jury. Cops shouldn't be deciding on their own. if things are as they said, then I don't think the grand jury will indict.
Again, this is TX. I don't think what the father did is illegal under TX laws. If this was some other state sure the guy could be looking at charges (whether we think it was justifiable or not). But TX? I don't think so.
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You guys are assuming of course that the victim actually WAS molesting this guy's daughter, and he isn't just saying this to justify the killing.
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I think every state has a version of that. I'm not positive though.

The little girl was taken to the hospital, the Sheriff said the father was very upset he killed a man, and nothing has come out to dispute any of this, so far. I think it probably went down the way it's described. JMO
Not only that, but this happened at a party. Apparently, dad walked into the house or a room and found the guy doing this. There may have been other witnesses. But even if not, it makes no sense that he would murder someone in a house full of people. Did anyone see fighting beforehand? Does anyone know of any negative history between them? Apparently not because LE seemed sympathetic and the child was taken to the hospital so it appears something did happen to her.
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The little girl was taken to the hospital, the Sheriff said the father was very upset he killed a man, and nothing has come out to dispute any of this, so far. I think it probably went down the way it's described. JMO
If there is an accusation of molestation of course she was taken to a hospital....that is standard procedure for an underage person. I would expect that. That alone does not automatically mean that the dad"s story is correct. This is a tricky situation-its not open and shut. The key parts will be the doctor's reporting and DNA testing, which may not be heard about until the GJ meets. If that evidence backs up
Dad's story then definitely i feel he was justified.
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